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12. YES YES YES

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 04:36 PM

Nov 2015

Europe was at war for hundreds of years -two really big ones - the middle east has that to look forward to. The spillover will not be pleasant but it is for them to come to terms with.

We lost our chance at peace when we elected raygun and turned away for encouraging third world development.

The blind support for Israel has just inflamed the situation.

Bottom line - bush opened Pandora's box - forces are at work that cannot be managed.
We can not impose rational solutions on others - it must come from themselves.

History will have to run it's course.

You want an answer???

Saudi Arabia - Iran - Jordan - Kuwait - UAE - Turkey - Israel - Egypt - must take the all who want to come to their country and all that want to leave the greater middle east.

The waste lands that are left must be starved of everything.

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Charles Pierce: There Is Only One Way to Defeat ISIS [View all] phantom power Nov 2015 OP

+10 million!!!! Starve the beast riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #1

I've believed for a long time that a law-enforcement approach to terrorism is the right one. phantom power Nov 2015 #2

Yup, it's the only way riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #3

law enforcement is controlled by governments. tomp Nov 2015 #88

Cuz war is most certainly a racket. nt valerief Nov 2015 #98

I so agree... but the right wants blood Fast Walker 52 Nov 2015 #36

I read this because I like Charlie Pierce, but wasn't expecting to find the answer renate Nov 2015 #4

Had our Veterans/Armistice Day parade here today. Downwinder Nov 2015 #5

I am with you...the day should be Peace Day, not an apology for war, which is what it is. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #16

*Armistice* Day originally promoted peace. Beartracks Nov 2015 #103

.. good luck w that whiles we're still dependent on oil nt flamingdem Nov 2015 #6

Yes. closeupready Nov 2015 #8

Dependent? rjsquirrel Nov 2015 #23

Not yet, the US was expected to be a net exporter but never happened happyslug Nov 2015 #77

solutions? Duppers Nov 2015 #78

I support Five dollar federal gasoline tax. happyslug Nov 2015 #93

Sorry rjsquirrel Nov 2015 #86

The US has been exporting coal since the 1800s happyslug Nov 2015 #92

But only about 13% of our oil now comes from Gulf States riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #100

The US was only importing 10% of our need in 1973 happyslug Nov 2015 #104

And part of the new budget deal.... Capt.Rocky300 Nov 2015 #28

Hmm, then why kiss up to the Saudis flamingdem Nov 2015 #30

Not at all. The despots in SA need us to stay in power. Ikonoklast Nov 2015 #71

Sounds good, but how do you make that happen? closeupready Nov 2015 #7

I think it starts by letting people know what we want. phantom power Nov 2015 #17

Kerry was able to do it to BCCI Mnpaul Nov 2015 #47

Terrific! You're getting at the very root of the problem, and want to yank it completely out. Akamai Nov 2015 #9

Nixon's offer was to the SOUTH Vietnam Government happyslug Nov 2015 #76

You are correct! I got carried away thinking of Nixon's gall. Thanks for Akamai Nov 2015 #87

A sound strategy, but there is just one problem. hifiguy Nov 2015 #10

Are you including Bernie in that? passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #34

I am not absolutely sure, but I tend to think he might be the only person hifiguy Nov 2015 #35

Exactly. No way that government should be our bestest buddy. SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #38

Author and former NYT correspondent Steve Kinzer hifiguy Nov 2015 #44

Just based on my limited current knowledge I agree. nt SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #49

Not Ergodan! Demeter Nov 2015 #55

The only war I would support is a full-on bombing of Saudi Arabia. FlatBaroque Nov 2015 #11

If there is an actual locus of evil in the world, hifiguy Nov 2015 #21

+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #52

Me too shenmue Nov 2015 #26

The perps would flee and the peons would take it in the shorts. SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #50

YES YES YES SoLeftIAmRight Nov 2015 #12

Thanks yet again, Charlie Pierce. (nt) Paladin Nov 2015 #13

It Is Increasingly Clear That HRC Must Withdraw From The 2016 Election For Her Role As A Neocon cantbeserious Nov 2015 #14

It is increasingly clear rjsquirrel Nov 2015 #24

Thank you for posting this! tecelote Nov 2015 #15

KnR for Charles Pierce Hekate Nov 2015 #18

Sounds to me like Charlie is blaming other countries for the problems snappyturtle Nov 2015 #19

well, he did say this... Duppers Nov 2015 #79

When I read that statement the word "until" popped out. That's is snappyturtle Nov 2015 #91

"You can't defeat your enemy if you're arming them and helping them at the same time. Laughing Mirror Nov 2015 #85

Thank you for the excellent video link. nt snappyturtle Nov 2015 #90

A great read. R&K nt longship Nov 2015 #20

It always bothers me when the news talks about capturing oil wells from ISIS salib Nov 2015 #22

There's answers to those questions eom rjsquirrel Nov 2015 #25

Truly the only solution.. . . n/t annabanana Nov 2015 #27

Pierce is one of the sharper pencils in the box. Thanx! nt GliderGuider Nov 2015 #29

Exactly. n2doc Nov 2015 #31

ding, ding, ding!! ^^^^^ +100, n2doc Duppers Nov 2015 #80

Arms sales is the American Way. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #32

Your wrong that it is not driven by faith! og1 Nov 2015 #33

That's not faith. That's politics Catherina Nov 2015 #39

Baloney skepticscott Nov 2015 #41

the religious are always the delusional and the scammed, willing to kill and die. Duppers Nov 2015 #81

I agree. Perhaps its an attempt to shift the blame from religion to politics. olegramps Nov 2015 #95

It is not about religion, bvar22 Nov 2015 #97

Good point. /nt Marr Nov 2015 #101

ISIS is explicitly fundametal/9th century Islamist. hifiguy Nov 2015 #43

This is one of the best things I've read today. N/t Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #37

I thought the same. nt Enthusiast Nov 2015 #57

yes, starving the beast is bloodless and effective restorefreedom Nov 2015 #40

Excellent Post of The Year McKim Nov 2015 #42

Under those crisp, dazzling white Saudi robes Iwillnevergiveup Nov 2015 #45

heck, everyone knows their beheadings and crucifixions are a bit AHEAD of IS MisterP Nov 2015 #46

The problem is that any investigation will most certainly kacekwl Nov 2015 #48

Course it will. SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #51

that's why it will never happen Doctor_J Nov 2015 #64

Wow! That is good! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #53

....x10+ 840high Nov 2015 #54

And if governments are unable or unwilling to do this, then maybe citizens should find ways ck4829 Nov 2015 #56

What if money and weapons are coming from Western governments? n/t malaise Nov 2015 #58

agree up until the last paragraph politicman Nov 2015 #59

Hopefully Bernie takes this angle at the debate tonight. Pierce is right yet again. pa28 Nov 2015 #60

Anyone who says "there's only one way" or "it's simple" NuclearDem Nov 2015 #61

We also need to reduce the global demand for oil by massive investment in renewables riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #63

Time indeed to stop. Paka Nov 2015 #62

K&R mountain grammy Nov 2015 #65

Thanks and good post. EndElectoral Nov 2015 #66

Holy crap that is some brilliant writing. blackspade Nov 2015 #67

This is so fucking spot-on, I don't have words. And Charlie isn't the only one who's saying this 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #68

This assumes TPTB want to put ISIS out of business. Pretty naive. Scuba Nov 2015 #69

Problem We Have Is Who Is Listening? ChiciB1 Nov 2015 #70

Wished I could give extra recs for this. Glad I've got the chance! bullwinkle428 Nov 2015 #72

Perhaps azureblue Nov 2015 #73

BRAVO! Duppers Nov 2015 #74

200th rec. But, I've been saying this for almost 15 years leveymg Nov 2015 #75

Yes! A thousand times yes! eom Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #82

People in the middle east paying proper income taxes applegrove Nov 2015 #83

Excellent! nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #84

Huge K&R! raouldukelives Nov 2015 #89

Very good thread, with a lot of different perspectives of history, CRH Nov 2015 #94

This is an Article to Send to your Republican firends before Ferd Berfel Nov 2015 #96

Charlie is right on target here. n/t DirkGently Nov 2015 #99

Thank you, Charles Pierce for writing this and thank you phantom power, for posting it. K&R Hiraeth Nov 2015 #102

Say It Charlie colsohlibgal Nov 2015 #105