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What to do re: ISIS? How about this? Get our US Military OUT of ME countries, period. [View all] 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 OP

It Is Increasingly Clear That HRC Must Withdraw From The 2016 Election For Her Role As A Neocon cantbeserious Nov 2015 #1

It Is Increasingly Clear That You Can't Be Serious. Metric System Nov 2015 #3

HRC Voted For The Neocon Dream Of Exporting Democracy - She Is Accountable For ISIS cantbeserious Nov 2015 #4

Sanders voted to pay for it. KittyWampus Nov 2015 #7

Sanders Voted To Supply Troops That Were Placed In Harms Way By The Likes Of HRC cantbeserious Nov 2015 #12

this. n/t retrowire Nov 2015 #72

Bernie is a the morally superior option - no two ways about it. tecelote Nov 2015 #75

Exactly. I honestly don't see how any Democrat can prefer the warhawk Hillary Fast Walker 52 Nov 2015 #95

Yep. SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #98

You are never, ever going to stop beating hifiguy Nov 2015 #125

I think you mean ... JoePhilly Nov 2015 #19

Serious Is As Serious Does - HRC Is Complicit As A Neocon - When Will She Take Responsibility cantbeserious Nov 2015 #47

Ok Forrest. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #53

HRC Voted For The Neocon Dream Of Exporting Democracy - She Is Accountable For ISIS cantbeserious Nov 2015 #56

Her voting history is well known, what is to "expose"? nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #80

Let's see if she tries to out-Neocon the Republicans. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #100

Living up to your name again. Throd Nov 2015 #5

Ad Hominem Attacks Are Against DU Rules - Clearly One Is Unable To Face Reality cantbeserious Nov 2015 #9

Hillary kept us safe after 9-11 bahrbearian Nov 2015 #15

HRC - Another Neocon Version Of Dubya - Different Stripes - Same Corporate Backers cantbeserious Nov 2015 #16

You're right--it's about time we had a Republican in the Whitehouse Orrex Nov 2015 #44

Bernie Sanders - Beats All Republicans In General Election Polling cantbeserious Nov 2015 #51

I'm sorry--for a second it looked like you wrote "Bernie Sanders." Orrex Nov 2015 #54

So Sorry That One Is Having Vision Trouble Today - Maybe A Trip To The Ophthalmologist Is In Order cantbeserious Nov 2015 #60

And you should have your funny bone checked--it's clearly misfiring Orrex Nov 2015 #64

Ridicule - The First Sign Of Nothing Better To Say cantbeserious Nov 2015 #65

Interesting! Orrex Nov 2015 #67

Ones Link Is To Ones Self - Amazing cantbeserious Nov 2015 #68

Not if you click the link that I posted. It links to reply #60 Orrex Nov 2015 #70

Clearly - THe Recommendation Was Warranted cantbeserious Nov 2015 #73

Why so nasty? Orrex Nov 2015 #78

And the Rethglicans have not attacked him yet ToxMarz Nov 2015 #81

You cant be serious? DCBob Nov 2015 #93

Do you post this in every single topic or just lots of them? complain jane Nov 2015 #99

But isn't Daesh's stated goal to EXPAND their territory? Metric System Nov 2015 #2

Hint: Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Pakistan ALL have strong military forces 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #11

We have to make it safe for corporate exploitation Mnpaul Nov 2015 #173

Yeah,...they claim they'll be flying their flag over the White House..... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #103

Well if we do that, please make sure to take all our military assest with us! Rex Nov 2015 #6

Agreed! -nt- 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #13

Great point... tecelote Nov 2015 #76

At the very least the equipment should be destroyed. We jwirr Nov 2015 #147

So let Daesh conquer Syria, Iraq and commit genocide geek tragedy Nov 2015 #8

It is assumed that if we get entirely out which gives them jwirr Nov 2015 #150

We're flying planes right now. So how would affect the calculus on the ground? nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #151

Okay - but we are not the only ones flying planes - Jordan jwirr Nov 2015 #154

Besides Assad and the Iraqis, there's the Kurds, Hezbollah, and Iran nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #159

Finally. But those are mostly the countries that have already jwirr Nov 2015 #163

Hear, hear! onecaliberal Nov 2015 #10

but we can't stay out! restorefreedom Nov 2015 #14

Oh snap! you're right. What was I thinking? 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #17

:) restorefreedom Nov 2015 #43

There has already been an attempt on US soil, just as with France, they were attacked on their soil, Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #18

If we don't stop killing their sons, daughters, mothers and fathers, friends and families, bvar22 Nov 2015 #24

Explain in a competent method how we should sit down with this bunch of terrorists and say Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #40

Thanks for the sane and reasonable response. tecelote Nov 2015 #77

"If we don't stop killing their sons, daughters, mothers and fathers, friends and families" EX500rider Nov 2015 #111

"Use the Google!" Hydra Nov 2015 #123

And that's what motivated a bunch of Saudi murder's in Afghanistan? Unlikely. They hate Iraqi Shia EX500rider Nov 2015 #139

Over 1/2 MILLION innocent Iraqi children died from the Clinton Sanctions. bvar22 Nov 2015 #140

And Sunni terrorists in Afghanistan couldn't care less about dead Shia Iraqi's. EX500rider Nov 2015 #142

That was rude. bvar22 Nov 2015 #143

That was neither rude nor changing the subject. EX500rider Nov 2015 #144

Of course "there could be another attack here." Duh. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #27

What part of this fueled the raping of anyone? Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #41

have we forgotten so soon? restorefreedom Nov 2015 #45

I forgot, what did the religious group on the mointain to deserve getting attacked and the women Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #83

i said they are sociopaths restorefreedom Nov 2015 #86

Exactly, they do not need a reason, al-Qaeda did not have a reason to attack on 9/11, hate yes they Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #137

miltary action may solve the immediate problem restorefreedom Nov 2015 #169

Right--let's just invade their countries to make them stop oppressing women eridani Nov 2015 #135

Killing innocent ME people fuels revenge-seeking. It's pretty simple really. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #46

A religious group on a mountain in Iraq did not attack and kill any member of ISIS. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #84

Yes, there are 25,000 ISIS armed murderers & rapists on-the-loose in the ME 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #87

For a while this group has only been in the middle east, now in France for a second eave, an attempt Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #91

All the more reason to tell our allies they should spend some of that oil wealth on a task force.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #104

It is true ISIS is a problem for the world, now they have shot down a Russian passenger plane so Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #106

It wasn't "shot down". It >may< have been a bomb.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #116

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #20

Hint: Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Israel, Pakistan ALL have VERY strong military forces 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #28

news flash: Sale of US Arms Fuels the Wars of Arab States (NYT article) wordpix Nov 2015 #166

True. So why don't said nations USE the arms GWBush sold them, to take out ISIS? -nt- 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #168

I don't feel like it is as clear cut TeddyR Nov 2015 #21

Iraq and Syria, as well as Iran, Turkey, Pakistan 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #29

You really think that Iraq TeddyR Nov 2015 #62

Not a willing one as long as we fight the war for them. That jwirr Nov 2015 #152

They had one Mnpaul Nov 2015 #174

The problem is that we are both the excuse for ISIS to do jwirr Nov 2015 #157

Oh, so that's why they enslave and brutalize women and children. To get back at us. randome Nov 2015 #22

We need to find and stop the funding!! riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #23

You know, I don't think that would be a bad idea. smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #25

It's not about "reasoning" with ISIS, it's about not,continuing to fuel their recruitment campaign 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #31

Do you actually think that will stop them? smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #34

Yep. It's a 9th century mindset that wants to destroy hifiguy Nov 2015 #38

How has 15 years of intense US Military intervention in ME worked out for us so far? -nt- 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #39

The ME has been a tribal slaughterhouse for a thousand years. hifiguy Nov 2015 #55

If you ask me, we have not been aggressive enough. smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #89

We might start by calling-out Saudi Arabia for their complicity in 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #94

YES! Thank You! smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #131

How would they accomplish it? RichVRichV Nov 2015 #90

There is no way that they will 'conquor' the Western world. blackspade Nov 2015 #130

This is basically what Bernie says - cilla4progress Nov 2015 #26

Yes. I think he's making sense on this. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #33

Does that go for the Yazidis too? Must they leave 'Muslim lands' to stop getting killed? muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #30

Um, oil tularetom Nov 2015 #32

But..but...we're helping to spread democracy!! K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #35

+10 Exactly! -nt- 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #52

We broke it, we shouldn't just walk away and let them all kill each other jack_krass Nov 2015 #36

That would presume that our leaders WANT to fix it, that this was somehow an undesired result Hydra Nov 2015 #124

I agree but think we should turn the richie rich neocons upside down & shake out their petrodollars wordpix Nov 2015 #167

It would be an excellent beginning. hifiguy Nov 2015 #37

exactly how many not-insignicicant muslims are there? nt msongs Nov 2015 #42

Itis clearly not an insignificant number hifiguy Nov 2015 #49

+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #92

And this is an excuse we are giving them when we destroy jwirr Nov 2015 #158

Ahh... The 'hide under the covers and hope it turns out ok' strategy... TipTok Nov 2015 #48

Are we at "Red Alert" yet? Maybe we should "Smoke 'em out" and "Bring it on" again. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #57

No. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #58

That implies we have no interests in the area... TipTok Nov 2015 #63

Oh, we have "interests" all right. They're called Exxon, Shell, BP and the US MIC. -nt- 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #71

You dehumanize many people with that idiocy. joshcryer Nov 2015 #102

Your rude name-calling is hardly an "intelligent" reply 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #105

The Kurds don't have oil. joshcryer Nov 2015 #110

Hunt Oil, a close friend of GW Bush, was the first into Iraq - the Kurdish region. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #113

Until our Country can find an alternative to oil, we will be staying there. Oil was discovered in Waldorf Nov 2015 #50

It's not the oil per se but the petro dollar that keeps us embroiled in the snappyturtle Nov 2015 #88

The US must remain in the Middle East until all of our oil is pumped out guillaumeb Nov 2015 #59

That appears to be the US game-plan 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #69

I never thought of that. guillaumeb Nov 2015 #74

That's not going to help. Oneironaut Nov 2015 #61

20,000 - 30,000 Murderous assholes in 1970 toyota pick-up trucks 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #66

Yep. It's bullshit. But people still believe what their TV tells them. Including Fox News. GoneFishin Nov 2015 #79

It's common sense. Oneironaut Nov 2015 #141

My point was, do you really think, even if the US left them completely alone, they would stop? Oneironaut Nov 2015 #138

We must find and cut off the funding for ISIS (and AQ etc) riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #148

Good point re: cutting off ISIS funding sources. -nt- 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #156

"They (ISIS) don't care if the West is attacking them or not." 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #155

Arm up the Kurds and give them a nation if they pull it off underpants Nov 2015 #82

If we leave but European nations stay, what's been gained? Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #85

How many more American soldiers do we sacrifice before we win? B Calm Nov 2015 #97

What's your solution, then? Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #118

So you want to continue wasting American lives fighting an endless war? Myself I B Calm Nov 2015 #132

We must find and cut off the funding for ISIS (and AQ etc) riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #153

That could be a good start Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #160

We have our Five Eyes spying already in place riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #161

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You make some good points re: "A Middle East fully engulfed in war would be an unmitigated disaster" 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #107

Would be easy if we didn't have allies over there. joshcryer Nov 2015 #101

With "allies" like Saudi Arabia hifiguy Nov 2015 #126

Bush actually removed bases from Saudi Arabia. joshcryer Nov 2015 #128

Agreed, this is all blowback from our troops in their countries dreamnightwind Nov 2015 #108

But good luck trying to point that out, without getting called a "dreamer" and an "idiot" 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #109

Yes, I've seen that sentiment raging around here dreamnightwind Nov 2015 #114

Thank you for this 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #117

And thanks for your OP dreamnightwind Nov 2015 #127

This is a very simple, naive belief. Drunken Irishman Nov 2015 #112

I think you misunderstand my POV 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #119

Unfortunately, the house is on fire... Drunken Irishman Nov 2015 #120

My very first sentence of last post: " I'm not saying to completely disengage or isolate" 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #121

We have as limited of a role in the ME as we've had since 9/11 occurred. Drunken Irishman Nov 2015 #129

You rightly point to a vacuum of military force in the region 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #136

Thing is, we're responsible... Drunken Irishman Nov 2015 #170

+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #145

IMO our first mistake was to see 9/11 as a military problem. jwirr Nov 2015 #162

No one has any solutions for this mess. azmom Nov 2015 #115

I agree. It's not a solution exactly, but it's what we are left with, thanks to GWB 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #122

How about we just stay out of Muslim lands?" Yupster Nov 2015 #133

Many of them weren't "muslim lands" per se, they were secular CJCRANE Nov 2015 #134

Yeah we made them do it Yupster Nov 2015 #164

Well our gulf allies are islamists CJCRANE Nov 2015 #165

That will have ZERO impact on the ideology of conquest of ISIS. ZEEE-RO. WinkyDink Nov 2015 #146

Ideology is only a part of it. What matters are funds and supply routes. CJCRANE Nov 2015 #149

But there are, for lack of a better word, cells already in central Europe. Just like with Munich '72 WinkyDink Nov 2015 #172

Too late for that we're already there. The question is what to do now. craigmatic Nov 2015 #171