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phantom power

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17. I think it starts by letting people know what we want.

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 04:50 PM

Nov 2015

And by that I mean people in power, but also just people. I bet that it simply hasn't occurred to most people that an approach based on something besides open warfare is possible, because nobody ever talks about it except a few Dirty Hippies(tm).

Beyond that, I don't know. I guess the principle of trying to be the change we see in the world applies. Don't enlist in the military. Try to reduce use of oil.

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Charles Pierce: There Is Only One Way to Defeat ISIS [View all] phantom power Nov 2015 OP

+10 million!!!! Starve the beast riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #1

I've believed for a long time that a law-enforcement approach to terrorism is the right one. phantom power Nov 2015 #2

Yup, it's the only way riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #3

law enforcement is controlled by governments. tomp Nov 2015 #88

Cuz war is most certainly a racket. nt valerief Nov 2015 #98

I so agree... but the right wants blood Fast Walker 52 Nov 2015 #36

I read this because I like Charlie Pierce, but wasn't expecting to find the answer renate Nov 2015 #4

Had our Veterans/Armistice Day parade here today. Downwinder Nov 2015 #5

I am with you...the day should be Peace Day, not an apology for war, which is what it is. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #16

*Armistice* Day originally promoted peace. Beartracks Nov 2015 #103

.. good luck w that whiles we're still dependent on oil nt flamingdem Nov 2015 #6

Yes. closeupready Nov 2015 #8

Dependent? rjsquirrel Nov 2015 #23

Not yet, the US was expected to be a net exporter but never happened happyslug Nov 2015 #77

solutions? Duppers Nov 2015 #78

I support Five dollar federal gasoline tax. happyslug Nov 2015 #93

Sorry rjsquirrel Nov 2015 #86

The US has been exporting coal since the 1800s happyslug Nov 2015 #92

But only about 13% of our oil now comes from Gulf States riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #100

The US was only importing 10% of our need in 1973 happyslug Nov 2015 #104

And part of the new budget deal.... Capt.Rocky300 Nov 2015 #28

Hmm, then why kiss up to the Saudis flamingdem Nov 2015 #30

Not at all. The despots in SA need us to stay in power. Ikonoklast Nov 2015 #71

Sounds good, but how do you make that happen? closeupready Nov 2015 #7

I think it starts by letting people know what we want. phantom power Nov 2015 #17

Kerry was able to do it to BCCI Mnpaul Nov 2015 #47

Terrific! You're getting at the very root of the problem, and want to yank it completely out. Akamai Nov 2015 #9

Nixon's offer was to the SOUTH Vietnam Government happyslug Nov 2015 #76

You are correct! I got carried away thinking of Nixon's gall. Thanks for Akamai Nov 2015 #87

A sound strategy, but there is just one problem. hifiguy Nov 2015 #10

Are you including Bernie in that? passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #34

I am not absolutely sure, but I tend to think he might be the only person hifiguy Nov 2015 #35

Exactly. No way that government should be our bestest buddy. SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #38

Author and former NYT correspondent Steve Kinzer hifiguy Nov 2015 #44

Just based on my limited current knowledge I agree. nt SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #49

Not Ergodan! Demeter Nov 2015 #55

The only war I would support is a full-on bombing of Saudi Arabia. FlatBaroque Nov 2015 #11

If there is an actual locus of evil in the world, hifiguy Nov 2015 #21

+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #52

Me too shenmue Nov 2015 #26

The perps would flee and the peons would take it in the shorts. SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #50

YES YES YES SoLeftIAmRight Nov 2015 #12

Thanks yet again, Charlie Pierce. (nt) Paladin Nov 2015 #13

It Is Increasingly Clear That HRC Must Withdraw From The 2016 Election For Her Role As A Neocon cantbeserious Nov 2015 #14

It is increasingly clear rjsquirrel Nov 2015 #24

Thank you for posting this! tecelote Nov 2015 #15

KnR for Charles Pierce Hekate Nov 2015 #18

Sounds to me like Charlie is blaming other countries for the problems snappyturtle Nov 2015 #19

well, he did say this... Duppers Nov 2015 #79

When I read that statement the word "until" popped out. That's is snappyturtle Nov 2015 #91

"You can't defeat your enemy if you're arming them and helping them at the same time. Laughing Mirror Nov 2015 #85

Thank you for the excellent video link. nt snappyturtle Nov 2015 #90

A great read. R&K nt longship Nov 2015 #20

It always bothers me when the news talks about capturing oil wells from ISIS salib Nov 2015 #22

There's answers to those questions eom rjsquirrel Nov 2015 #25

Truly the only solution.. . . n/t annabanana Nov 2015 #27

Pierce is one of the sharper pencils in the box. Thanx! nt GliderGuider Nov 2015 #29

Exactly. n2doc Nov 2015 #31

ding, ding, ding!! ^^^^^ +100, n2doc Duppers Nov 2015 #80

Arms sales is the American Way. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #32

Your wrong that it is not driven by faith! og1 Nov 2015 #33

That's not faith. That's politics Catherina Nov 2015 #39

Baloney skepticscott Nov 2015 #41

the religious are always the delusional and the scammed, willing to kill and die. Duppers Nov 2015 #81

I agree. Perhaps its an attempt to shift the blame from religion to politics. olegramps Nov 2015 #95

It is not about religion, bvar22 Nov 2015 #97

Good point. /nt Marr Nov 2015 #101

ISIS is explicitly fundametal/9th century Islamist. hifiguy Nov 2015 #43

This is one of the best things I've read today. N/t Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #37

I thought the same. nt Enthusiast Nov 2015 #57

yes, starving the beast is bloodless and effective restorefreedom Nov 2015 #40

Excellent Post of The Year McKim Nov 2015 #42

Under those crisp, dazzling white Saudi robes Iwillnevergiveup Nov 2015 #45

heck, everyone knows their beheadings and crucifixions are a bit AHEAD of IS MisterP Nov 2015 #46

The problem is that any investigation will most certainly kacekwl Nov 2015 #48

Course it will. SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #51

that's why it will never happen Doctor_J Nov 2015 #64

Wow! That is good! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #53

....x10+ 840high Nov 2015 #54

And if governments are unable or unwilling to do this, then maybe citizens should find ways ck4829 Nov 2015 #56

What if money and weapons are coming from Western governments? n/t malaise Nov 2015 #58

agree up until the last paragraph politicman Nov 2015 #59

Hopefully Bernie takes this angle at the debate tonight. Pierce is right yet again. pa28 Nov 2015 #60

Anyone who says "there's only one way" or "it's simple" NuclearDem Nov 2015 #61

We also need to reduce the global demand for oil by massive investment in renewables riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #63

Time indeed to stop. Paka Nov 2015 #62

K&R mountain grammy Nov 2015 #65

Thanks and good post. EndElectoral Nov 2015 #66

Holy crap that is some brilliant writing. blackspade Nov 2015 #67

This is so fucking spot-on, I don't have words. And Charlie isn't the only one who's saying this 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #68

This assumes TPTB want to put ISIS out of business. Pretty naive. Scuba Nov 2015 #69

Problem We Have Is Who Is Listening? ChiciB1 Nov 2015 #70

Wished I could give extra recs for this. Glad I've got the chance! bullwinkle428 Nov 2015 #72

Perhaps azureblue Nov 2015 #73

BRAVO! Duppers Nov 2015 #74

200th rec. But, I've been saying this for almost 15 years leveymg Nov 2015 #75

Yes! A thousand times yes! eom Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #82

People in the middle east paying proper income taxes applegrove Nov 2015 #83

Excellent! nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #84

Huge K&R! raouldukelives Nov 2015 #89

Very good thread, with a lot of different perspectives of history, CRH Nov 2015 #94

This is an Article to Send to your Republican firends before Ferd Berfel Nov 2015 #96

Charlie is right on target here. n/t DirkGently Nov 2015 #99

Thank you, Charles Pierce for writing this and thank you phantom power, for posting it. K&R Hiraeth Nov 2015 #102

Say It Charlie colsohlibgal Nov 2015 #105