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climber3986

(107 posts)
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 01:20 AM Nov 2015

re ISIS: Sometimes turning the other cheek is not an option. [View all]

Lets be clear, US involvement in the middle east is without a doubt the worst foreign policy disaster in the past 25 years. Bush trying to export democracy was a terrible idea and caused the problem in the first place, we need to stay out of the middle east except on the most rare of occasions. That being said, ISIS is one of the very rare exceptions to the rule.

Lets wind the clock back a year. Remember this?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/03/isis-kobani-kurds_n_5926102.html

ISIS was surrounding entire cities and exterminating everyone inside. I see people saying on this forum saying 'we need to stop bombing and start diplomacy.' Yes that is absolutely true, we need to get out of Afghanistan and begin diplomacy. We need to put a muzzle on the every republican in congress trying to sabotage the iran nuclear deal. We need to stop drone strikes in Pakistan. 99% of the time, diplomacy is the answer. For ISIS, it is not. We stopped the genocide of Kobani with force.

Please answer for me this:

If ISIS has a city surrounded and plans to exterminate everyone inside because they are not 'muslim' (ISIS isn't muslim we all know that, however I am referencing their state of mind here). What would you do? Nothing?

Try to negotiate with them? As they being lining people up in the dirt and shooting them in the back of the head with an ak47 do you change negation tactics?


This groups goal is to conquer every country in the middle east and then expand on to Europe. With what would you negotiate with? While that goal is a joke that will never happen, what WILL happen and is still happening now is the extermination of entire cities and villages of people who they run across. Saying 'its not our problem' and letting genocide happen when we caused the instability in the first place is irresponsible.

Some people are just plain evil and cannot be negotiated with.

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We should stop giving them arms RobertEarl Nov 2015 #1
does not answer the question climber3986 Nov 2015 #4
Well RobertEarl Nov 2015 #6
Israel? 6chars Nov 2015 #16
You think Israel is helping isis? leftynyc Nov 2015 #26
heres a radical and simple idea... politicman Nov 2015 #2
Do you think Vienna was attacked because of US policies? Yorktown Nov 2015 #8
I have a great deal of respect for the Kurds and we should support them more Jim Beard Nov 2015 #9
Problem: political Islam is also making progress among Kurds Yorktown Nov 2015 #15
I still have to stand by the Kurds.... Jim Beard Nov 2015 #35
Well, my fear is Kurds are going the Turkish route Yorktown Nov 2015 #36
This is what I think. politicman Nov 2015 #10
No, because you forget the weight of petrodollars Yorktown Nov 2015 #14
heres a lesson on Islam for you politicman Nov 2015 #17
Sounds more like Protestantism. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #19
True but politicman Nov 2015 #20
Thanks, but I humbly think I'm very knowledgeable about Islam. Yorktown Nov 2015 #23
You are trying to give a lesson in Islam to a Muslim? politicman Nov 2015 #29
Yes. Because the faithful accept things which can be disproven Yorktown Nov 2015 #30
you are wrong yet again. politicman Nov 2015 #31
Sorry, but I can prove you wrong on all three counts Yorktown Nov 2015 #32
My response, politicman Nov 2015 #33
I stand my ground, and provide additional proof Yorktown Nov 2015 #34
Again my response politicman Nov 2015 #38
Again, my objections Yorktown Nov 2015 #40
and yet my response yet again... politicman Nov 2015 #41
Again, again, etc Yorktown Nov 2015 #42
Weird thing is they keep hitting liberal areas. Explain that. yeoman6987 Nov 2015 #11
You operate on the false premise that only the US should do anything n/t arcane1 Nov 2015 #3
i never said only the us should do something. climber3986 Nov 2015 #5
Oil. Stop using oil & plastics. ffr Nov 2015 #7
You describe what the USA did to Falluja. delrem Nov 2015 #12
Why would I cheerlead for more of it? climber3986 Nov 2015 #24
They are sick sick sick Liberal_in_LA Nov 2015 #13
It doesn't sound like you can be negotiated with either. nt bemildred Nov 2015 #18
There is just the tiniest whiff of the ticking time bomb about the OP... Orsino Nov 2015 #27
Fixing the problem and avoiding the problem are not the same thing Bad Thoughts Nov 2015 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Nov 2015 #22
Tackling issues with childlike simplicity is not an option. marmar Nov 2015 #25
aerial bombing just hits fixed assets and brought IS *into* existence, assassination also helps MisterP Nov 2015 #28
maybe we should stop backing factions that aim to destroy stable governments? killbotfactory Nov 2015 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Nov 2015 #39
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