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BlueMTexpat

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12. Ah yes, passport controls
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 04:07 AM
Nov 2015

Last edited Mon Nov 16, 2015, 09:02 AM - Edit history (2)

worked so well to prevent 9-11, didn't they?

Passport controls were not even a factor in Oklahoma City, where the terrorists were homegrown, as it seems at least some of the terrorists in Paris were.

People must present passports to enter the Schengen zone and to provide evidence of residence and/or where they will be staying while here. After that, it's like traveling from one state to another within the US and that is what it was intended to be.

The UK decided not to be part of Schengen so yes, if you travel there, you are subject to border controls. That is fine for the occasional visit. Whether that was indeed wisdom or mere xenophobia is still up for grabs. You would likely hear UK citizens complaining as loudly as anyone else once they enter Continental Europe if passport controls started being implemented at every single border again.

I live no more than ten minutes from two major border crossings with France. Many of my neighbors here are frontaliers (people who live in one country but work in the other) and they have a daily transborder commute. In exceptional circumstances, as now, people will put up with the inconvenience. But there would be strong opposition to completely overruling Schengen - on BOTH sides of the border - except, of course from the National Front and their ilk.

It takes much more than passport controls. It takes knowing who your neighbors are and acting like a community. Otherwise, it's a return to the xenophobic nation-state mentality - which too many US neocons would absolutely LOVE to see happen here.

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We can only hope SoCalNative Nov 2015 #1
Why? eom BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #2
Because while it's nice to travel unemcumbered SoCalNative Nov 2015 #5
I live in Europe. BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #7
I currently live in Europe too SoCalNative Nov 2015 #10
Ah yes, passport controls BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #12
"People must present passports to enter the Schengen zone SoCalNative Nov 2015 #14
Amsterdam and Berlin BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #18
When I first moved here SoCalNative Nov 2015 #22
That is so. BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #23
Wow TransitJohn Nov 2015 #16
Two things are going to happen: EL34x4 Nov 2015 #3
It's sad but Schengen has to go LittleBlue Nov 2015 #4
+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #8
Yes. n/t Moondog Nov 2015 #6
Liberal post-war Europe is gone. Dawson Leery Nov 2015 #9
Yes. The right hates Schengen and loves nationalism with its strong borders. It is coming back. pampango Nov 2015 #11
My sister in law and her family crossed the border yesterday from France to Geneva CBGLuthier Nov 2015 #13
By Sunday, things were a bit looser, I understand. BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #21
The EU is not a unified polity. In a democracy the citizens need democratic control CJCRANE Nov 2015 #15
So Terrorists aren't just helping to destroy the U.S., but Europe as well AZ Progressive Nov 2015 #17
I love how so many here - presumably US citizens - BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #19
Well, the area is named after a small town in Luxembourg where the treaty was signed DFW Nov 2015 #20
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