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politicman

(710 posts)
31. you are wrong yet again.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 08:24 PM
Nov 2015

1) Again I reiterate that radicalisation does not happen in the mosques. I have been too many a mosque and I have known many other Muslims that have attended any other Mosque, and I can categorically tell you that an Imam of a mosque does not preach to those attending to commit terror acts.
You understanding and my understanding of radicalisation must be miles apart, because I suspect that you think radicalisation is an Imam explaining to a Muslim how he or she should live their life according to the religion, many parts of which you vehemently disagree with.
My understanding of radicalisation as a Muslim is a person convincing someone that they should commit acts of terror in the name of the religion under a certain interpretation. Because I am a Muslim, I do not view parts of the religion that you disagree with as radicalisation, for me they are just part of being a Muslim and adhering to the faith. These might be harsh to many living in the western world, and even myself here in a western country, I don't and couldn't possible follow all the ways the religion tells me to live my life. But that is on me and I will pay for my sins in the after life, that is something that I have accepted.
Whether you think that many things in the religion are right in this day and age matters not, the mid-east has a different culture to the western world and they are accepting of these things. For instance I live here in the western world and I view women as equal to men and believe that my religion preaches because I interpret it that way, whereas the mid-east has a different culture than we have here and they may interpret it differently. It sounds harsh but its reality.


2) Again, I tell you not a single word in the Koran has been changed in 1400 years. Those thing you point out are claimed by a small amount of people, but 99% of Muslims around the world do not for one second believe these claims. Simply because from the moment the Koran came down and was given to the people, they started to learn to recite every word of the book. See you can destroy every book in existence but it wouldn't mean anything because the Koran doesn't just rely on paper, it is learnt in the hearts of people and recited word for word and passed from generation to generation that way. And because so many people have learnt to recite the one version of the book, if anyone comes out with a different version or forgets to include a surah into a book it is quickly discovered and disregarded by Muslims because the have the Koran in their brains and heart.


3) Again you are wrong. The crusades attempted to wipe out Islam, that's why they tried to kill anyone that was Muslim or force them to renounce their Islam faith. They also attempted to destroy any and all Islamic books and literature that they could get their hands on.
If someone slaughters thousands and thousands of people for simply following the Islamic faith and attempts to force many to renounce their Islamic faith whilst also destroying all the Islamic literature and books that they could get their hands on, then that is viewed as attempting to wipe out that faith every day of the week.
In the days of the crusades, Muslims had to recite their prayers under their breath and in their hearts for fear of being heard or found out and executed.

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