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jberryhill

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66. The point being that humans have issues

Mon Nov 16, 2015, 11:32 PM

Nov 2015

Yes, the Italians did bring crime and violence with them.

It really makes no difference to someone who is the victim of violence whether it was a home grown asshole or an imported one. Thankfully, decent people far outnumber assholes across the board.

Notably, before becoming Mayor 9/11, as a US prosecutor, Rudy Giuliani racked up an admirable record of putting organized criminal Italians behind bars. Likewise, to deal with Irish hooligans, we put badges on quite a few of them.

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Can the states refuse to accept these immigrants that the Federal goverment brings in? [View all] oneshooter Nov 2015 OP

I doubt they can refuse to let them into the state. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2015 #1

Which they will. FLPanhandle Nov 2015 #28

i dont know where in the constitution it says the states have to take in immigrants that potus saturnsring Nov 2015 #2

That's an amusing comment in several respects jberryhill Nov 2015 #4

they maybe here lawfully but they arent citizens and potus has a history of backing down saturnsring Nov 2015 #10

It doesn't fucking matter jberryhill Nov 2015 #13

You are missing the point. former9thward Nov 2015 #18

Oh yes, the states would love to open themselves up to civil suit. joshcryer Nov 2015 #21

Lawsuits based on what? SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #22

Discrimination? joshcryer Nov 2015 #23

Currently, the federal government SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #25

Sure, state welfare offices have all that information. joshcryer Nov 2015 #82

Ridiculous. former9thward Nov 2015 #24

I'm on my phone, this is blown out of proportion. joshcryer Nov 2015 #29

Here's how resettlement works: joshcryer Nov 2015 #81

I think you are neglecting 8 USC, Section 1522 (a). former9thward Nov 2015 #87

That's a rather arbitrary reading. joshcryer Nov 2015 #89

"Potus as a history of backing down" - here in GA Shady Deal has lost every fight he's picked with Erose999 Nov 2015 #88

That durn potus TBF Nov 2015 #15

I don't know the part of the Constitution where it reads meow2u3 Nov 2015 #32

No jberryhill Nov 2015 #3

Except possibly by plane next year GummyBearz Nov 2015 #5

That's neither here nor there jberryhill Nov 2015 #8

The "right to travel" != "the right to travel on a commercial airplane". n/t X_Digger Nov 2015 #63

If the citizens should have the ultimate say... ileus Nov 2015 #6

The correct answer is both yes and no Xithras Nov 2015 #7

The states cannot set immigration policy. branford Nov 2015 #9

Under the Refugee Act of 1980, the president may admit refugees who face �persecution or a well-foun saturnsring Nov 2015 #11

A bigger problem is how the public is going to perceive them davidn3600 Nov 2015 #12

The Italians were considered bomb throwing anarchists jberryhill Nov 2015 #14

They had support in the Italian community at the time. former9thward Nov 2015 #19

I think they WERE the first big annabanana Nov 2015 #26

Regardless, no state or federal aid. former9thward Nov 2015 #27

You need to consider the political implications too davidn3600 Nov 2015 #34

Or, my goodness, what if someone buys a gun and shoots people jberryhill Nov 2015 #35

I don't think that the Vietnamese and Cambodians hifiguy Nov 2015 #45

"Part of the jihadi mindset is to infiltrate and pass before doing what they intend to do all along" alcibiades_mystery Nov 2015 #51

Just like the Italians jberryhill Nov 2015 #53

Vietnamese were never trying to blow us up over here davidn3600 Nov 2015 #49

Italian anarchists were doing so in their day jberryhill Nov 2015 #52

Not the same situation at all davidn3600 Nov 2015 #59

Oh good golly jberryhill Nov 2015 #60

I'm not in favor of this mass migration davidn3600 Nov 2015 #61

How often are you IN Europe? jberryhill Nov 2015 #62

Could you please answer my question? jberryhill Nov 2015 #70

I've been to Europe several times and know several Europeans davidn3600 Nov 2015 #84

And it is a virtual dead certainty hifiguy Nov 2015 #20

So Europe has gained no more than 800 to 2400 refugees? Thor_MN Nov 2015 #30

One could easily extrapolate "refugees" to "immigrants" more generally and probably should. hifiguy Nov 2015 #31

Did they come in as refugees? Because that is the topic. Thor_MN Nov 2015 #37

My core point is that you have no way to eliminate the small hifiguy Nov 2015 #39

Well then, by all means, let's turn into xenophobes and close our borders to all. Thor_MN Nov 2015 #47

I can recall no other immigrant group hifiguy Nov 2015 #48

6 million Muslims live in France. They say there may have been 8 terrorists. Thor_MN Nov 2015 #50

Hey, the person you are "conversing" with... ret5hd Nov 2015 #57

And the murder rate per capita is lower in all of Europe jberryhill Nov 2015 #64

Beyond that, all the terrorists identified have no refugee connections. Thor_MN Nov 2015 #65

Raw knee jerk fear jberryhill Nov 2015 #67

Yes. Mass immigration from traditionalist Muslim countries is a bad idea at present Yorktown Nov 2015 #38

Agreed. hifiguy Nov 2015 #41

The Italians brought the Mafia and Communism! jberryhill Nov 2015 #54

Well, to be fair, Italians did bring the Mafia Yorktown Nov 2015 #58

The point being that humans have issues jberryhill Nov 2015 #66

Granted. But some humans have more issues than others. Yorktown Nov 2015 #68

Well, golly jberryhill Nov 2015 #69

You are wrong on many counts Yorktown Nov 2015 #71

Your point three is amusing jberryhill Nov 2015 #73

My point 3 is worrying: Islam teaches anti-democratic values Yorktown Nov 2015 #75

Does the Japanese internment strike you as an oddity of US history? jberryhill Nov 2015 #77

History does not produce carbon copy situations Yorktown Nov 2015 #78

What the ever living fuck? jberryhill Nov 2015 #83

And a virtual dead certainty that many more of them will join the fight on our side jberryhill Nov 2015 #36

I wish there were some evidence to back that up hifiguy Nov 2015 #42

The dynamics are pretty simple to understand jberryhill Nov 2015 #43

Were the potential for trouble limited to that caused by hifiguy Nov 2015 #46

Pretty good analogy....and I agree, its justifiable to exclude them from entry Joe the Revelator Nov 2015 #72

I hope but CT gov Malloy already said he will accept them. bigwillq Nov 2015 #16

No, they'll have green cards. joshcryer Nov 2015 #17

My faith in the general American public (and many of its "leaders") is continually shaken Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2015 #33

I don't think the legalities matter goldent Nov 2015 #40

Solution: Bring them here, make them citizens. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #44

As lawful residents of any kind jberryhill Nov 2015 #55

They can't; however, they can make it politically difficult for the administration to admit them. Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2015 #56

I'm happy to report that Alaska's governor has said he has no plans Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #74

Nothing more than cheap theatrics, COLGATE4 Nov 2015 #76

It's not just the RW obnoxiousdrunk Nov 2015 #79

I know. Was trying to be polite. COLGATE4 Nov 2015 #80

I agree--it's an investment in their next campaign for office Orrex Nov 2015 #86

So if , in a few years, some to come out as radicals oneshooter Nov 2015 #85