re ISIS: Sometimes turning the other cheek is not an option.

[Yorktown]

40. Again, my objections

(1) mosques preaching terrorism.
The article I quoted earlier cited the FBI saying 10% (400/4000) American mosques are preaching jihad. And when the FBI mentions jihad, it's not the inner struggle sense of jihad (which is the minority use in the Quran and hadiths)
Besides, your point about "the West itself has plenty of institutions (both religious and secular) that engage in hate speech all the time" is weird. Since when do two wrongs make a right. White supremacists, Islam, Jerry Falwell and the KKK are all wrong.

(2) I gave you proof the Quran had been changed over time
I quoted the hadith proving it, I gave you a link with differing copies of the Quran, what more do you want?
The only reason Muslim clerics have to go saying the Quran never changed is because the Quran itself makes that claim,

"Verily, I revealed the Dhikr and verily I will preserve it." [Quran 15 ]

It's all the more funny that muhammad kept writing new verses for at least another 15 years, since the surah 15 is one of the early Meccan ones.

Anyway, i quoted to you the hadith were Aisha herself said some surah had been lost. There are also hadiths which bear witness to the fact muhammad himself rewrote the famous satanic verses. Not to mention the fact some ayats abrogate earlier ayats. The Quran was there, for eternity ready in the clouds, and god communicates his error and trial process on foolscap paper? Too funny.

(3) the Crusades were not about wiping out Islam.
I already told you that the fact would have been clear to the dimmest western medieval intelligence. Anyway, History proves it was not their intention or within their ability, or they would have had to reconquer all the lands invaded by muhammad's armies.

And I noticed you repeated four false claims made by Muslims:

Most times people converted willingly to Islam (as evidenced by the fact that Islam has been the fastest growing religion for a long time)

- Most countries came to Islam through military coercion (the Islamic conquests)
- Within these conquered countries, most people came to Islam by financial coercion (Jizzya)
- Today Islam grows organically, by higher birth rates than other religion/secular societies
- and by losing few adherents since it is punishable by death

All in all, I've got the feeling we are not going to agree on much.
Believers never concede the wrongs of their faiths, and I doubt I will ever believe in any.