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In reply to the discussion: re ISIS: Sometimes turning the other cheek is not an option. [View all]politicman
(710 posts)1) Of course 2 wrongs don't make a right, but I made the statement about how there is plenty of institutions in the west that preach hate speech simply to show that preaching hate speech is not the same as radicalising followers to commit terror act. France wanted to err on the side of caution by deporting these Imams which also shows a discrimination by the west because when was the last time you saw members from the far right party in France be deported or punished for their constant hate speech.
If the FBI really think that 10% of mosques in America are preaching Jihad, then why hasn't the FBI moved to arrest these people and shut down the mosques? It doesn't pass the smell test.
2) As I said before, there are some sects or tiny cults within Islam that have changed, added and removed certain things verses and hadiths to support what they believe. Like I said my own mum is a Alawi (my dad was sunni) and her sect has altered many hadiths and even verses in the Koran to support their specific beliefs that majority of Muslims worldwide find haram.
If one little tiny sect of Islam can do this then what makes you think that someone with an agenda can't put up a webpage and add, change and remove things to support their agenda.
I could show you 25 different webpages from 25 different sects in Islam that have differing accounts of the Hadith and some even have differing Korans.
But as I said, the scholars from the huge majority of Muslims in every part of the world have studied every aspect of Islam and its history and have all come to the same conclusion, that the Koran has not changed.
A webpage is just that, it can have false information on it that deceives the reader such as yourself, I'll stick with the thousands of accredited scholars in the world who all agree the Koran has not changed.
3) I hear what you say, but its not right. The crusades was all about destroying the Islamic faith within the lands they controlled, that's why they killed Muslims for simply being Muslims, that's why they try to force Muslims to renounce their faith and that's why they destroyed any and all literature and books to do with the Islamic faith that they could get their hands on. If they had succeeded destroying Islam from within the lands they controlled, they were going to continue to conquer land by land and repeat the process in those lands as well.
Lastly, you are wrong. Muhammed instructed his disciples to preach the Islam religion during the days when they were outnumbered and threatened by non believers. Slowly but surely people converted to Islam and the prophet was able to control Arabia. Muhammed sent out envoys to the 4 parts of the world to preach to get new followers.
Sure wars were fought between Muslims and others, as at that time Islam was an ideology was a threat to others who didn't believe. Because of this Muslims conquered lands.
Its a fact that more people convert to Islam than other religion in the world on a yearly basis.
But like you said, we should agree to disagree.
Thanks for the debate anyway