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In reply to the discussion: re ISIS: Sometimes turning the other cheek is not an option. [View all]Yorktown
(2,884 posts)42. Again, again, etc
(1) 10% of US mosques preaching jihad
To answer your question, it does not fall under incitation to violence if the call to jihad is made in general, without inciting immediate violence. Jihad is free speech, I fear.
(2) Some more proof the Quran varied over time:
at the time of muhammad, the diacritic signs had not been codified. So the earlier versions of the Quran could not have been written with diacritic signs as now. And over time, these signs have evolved. That is one obvious variation.
you also probably know there were differences in the way the Quran was recited according to dialects. So different written copies were made based on the authoritative reciter of each dialect. Hence another source of variance.
Nafi (from Medina; d.169/785)
Ibn Kathir (from Mecca; d.119/737)
Abu `Amr al-'Ala' (from Damascus; d.53/770)
Ibn `Amir (from Basra; d.118/736)
Hamzah (from Kufah; d.156/772)
al-Qisa'i (from Kufah; d.189/804)
Abu Bakr `Asim (from Kufah; d.158/778)
(3) Crusades as annihilation of Islam.
Suggest you read an authoritative book on the subject. The consensus is that the key objectives were to allow pilgrimage and relieve Bysantium. The fact Muslims were slaughtered was par for the course in medieval times, even up to Renaissance when the Muslims besieging Vienna offered a choice between surrender or total massacre.
Btw: Mohamed Laroussi wrote a nice text in 'Morocco Today' with the following sentence: "I ask all the men and women who repeat unceasingly that "Islam is innocent of these people" to stop this hypocrisy". Do you agree with him?
And yes, even though we are miles apart in this discussion, it's fun.
To answer your question, it does not fall under incitation to violence if the call to jihad is made in general, without inciting immediate violence. Jihad is free speech, I fear.
(2) Some more proof the Quran varied over time:
at the time of muhammad, the diacritic signs had not been codified. So the earlier versions of the Quran could not have been written with diacritic signs as now. And over time, these signs have evolved. That is one obvious variation.
you also probably know there were differences in the way the Quran was recited according to dialects. So different written copies were made based on the authoritative reciter of each dialect. Hence another source of variance.
Nafi (from Medina; d.169/785)
Ibn Kathir (from Mecca; d.119/737)
Abu `Amr al-'Ala' (from Damascus; d.53/770)
Ibn `Amir (from Basra; d.118/736)
Hamzah (from Kufah; d.156/772)
al-Qisa'i (from Kufah; d.189/804)
Abu Bakr `Asim (from Kufah; d.158/778)
(3) Crusades as annihilation of Islam.
Suggest you read an authoritative book on the subject. The consensus is that the key objectives were to allow pilgrimage and relieve Bysantium. The fact Muslims were slaughtered was par for the course in medieval times, even up to Renaissance when the Muslims besieging Vienna offered a choice between surrender or total massacre.
Btw: Mohamed Laroussi wrote a nice text in 'Morocco Today' with the following sentence: "I ask all the men and women who repeat unceasingly that "Islam is innocent of these people" to stop this hypocrisy". Do you agree with him?
And yes, even though we are miles apart in this discussion, it's fun.
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aerial bombing just hits fixed assets and brought IS *into* existence, assassination also helps
MisterP
Nov 2015
#28
maybe we should stop backing factions that aim to destroy stable governments?
killbotfactory
Nov 2015
#37