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In reply to the discussion: I find the blaming of porn stars for Sheen's HIV status to be misogynistic and moralistic [View all]rocktivity
(45,006 posts)68. But people could have gotten HIV from HIM even though his levels are "undectable"
Last edited Tue Nov 17, 2015, 10:41 PM - Edit history (2)
and if you're HIV positive -- even undectably so -- YOU'RE REQUIRED BY LAW to let your partner know whether you have protected sex or not. Maybe Sheen shouldn't be blamed for contracting HIV, but he should certainly be blamed for taking the risk of passing it on.
From the Today Show website: The Interview with Matt Lauer
Excerpts from an open letter Charlie wrote and Lauder read:
Roughly four years ago, I suddenly found myself in the throes of a seismic and debilitating three-day cluster migraine-like headache...Following a battery of endless tests (that included a hideous spinal tap), it was sadly and shockingly revealed to me that I was, in fact, positive for HIV...Not missing a beat, a med dose, or one shred of guidance, quickly my viral loads became undetectable. Like every other challenge in my life, again, I was victorious and kicking this disease's ass...
The personal disbelief, karmic confusion, shame and anger lead to a temporary yet abysmal descent into profound substance abuse and fathomless drinking. It was a suicide run. Problem was, I'd forgotten that I'm too tough for such a cowardly departure. Yet, despite this loathsome and horrific odyssey, I was vigilant with my anti-viral program. My medical team could only shake their heads as each and every blood test returned levels revealing a state of remission. Even though I might have been trying to kill myself, one thing was radically evident: the disease was not.
The personal disbelief, karmic confusion, shame and anger lead to a temporary yet abysmal descent into profound substance abuse and fathomless drinking. It was a suicide run. Problem was, I'd forgotten that I'm too tough for such a cowardly departure. Yet, despite this loathsome and horrific odyssey, I was vigilant with my anti-viral program. My medical team could only shake their heads as each and every blood test returned levels revealing a state of remission. Even though I might have been trying to kill myself, one thing was radically evident: the disease was not.
Talk about being your own worst enemy: You decide to go out in a blaze of glory, but having access to the best medical care money can buy, you also decide to try saving yourself. Or was the suicide run your backup plan?
In and around this perplexing and difficult time, I dazedly chose (or hired) the companionship of unsavory and insipid types. Regardless of their salt-less reputations, I always led with condoms and honesty when it came to my condition. Sadly, my truth soon became their treason, as a deluge of blackmail and extortion took center stage in this circus of deceit. To date, I have paid out countless millions to these desperate charlatans. Locked in a vacuum of fear, I chose to allow their threats and skullduggery to vastly deplete future assets from my children, while my 'secret' sat entombed in their hives of folly (or so I thought).
It's admirable that you remember always remembering to inform your partners of your condition despite being so abysmally descended and dazed. And I suppose it's admirable that you found a way to mix in safe sex with your pursuit of debauchery with strangers (some of whom you hired). But unfortunately for you, some of those unsavory, insipid, disreputable companions have come forth begging to differ with your contention. But why did you agree to pay them if you always supplied them with the truth about your status along with condoms? And more to the point, why did you trust such bottom-dwelling lowlifes to care about your confidence -- because they're in it for money rather than love?
...I'm claiming back my freedom. The scales of justice will swiftly and righteously re-balance themselves. My partying days are behind me. My philanthropic days are ahead of me. Ernest Hemingway once wrote: "Courage is grace under pressure." I've served my time under pressure; I now embrace the courage, and the grace.
If the scales of justice are operational, they will have you serving California's six-month maximum for every person you didn't inform or use condoms with -- consecutively. A defense strategy made up of celebrity justice, "family guy" guilt tripping, the hint of big community service payments, and prostitutes screaming rape because their checks bounced might get you off the hook. But in the meantime, please keep in mind that:
As of now, there is no such thing as being HIV free
There are only two HIV statuses: HIV positive and HIV negative
If your HIV levels are so low they're undetectable, you are HIV positive
If you are HIV positive, you should inform your partners even if you're paying them. It's as civilized as it is legal.
An undetectable case of HIV is like a mild case of pregnancy.
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I find the blaming of porn stars for Sheen's HIV status to be misogynistic and moralistic [View all]
La Lioness Priyanka
Nov 2015
OP
it seems that he wore condoms, just not the right ones. lamb skin condoms prevent
La Lioness Priyanka
Nov 2015
#3
Absolutely, it's not a judgment from sky god for an immoral lifestyle, it's a virus.
Warpy
Nov 2015
#7
agreed. your last sentence is on point. we want to believe this world is fair
La Lioness Priyanka
Nov 2015
#9
i just think blame is a stupid game to play. it stigmatized HIV further
La Lioness Priyanka
Nov 2015
#28
why do you blame anyone? unless someone deliberately infects someone else
La Lioness Priyanka
Nov 2015
#11
That's why prostitution should be legal and regulated with mandatory health checks (nt)
Nye Bevan
Nov 2015
#81
He was sleeping around with various persons who had multiple sex partners themselves.
LisaL
Nov 2015
#16
he was on one show talking about his shakedown. not sure how much sympathy you had
La Lioness Priyanka
Nov 2015
#30
seems like you have an empathy problem. everyone complains if they are blackmailed.
La Lioness Priyanka
Nov 2015
#59
how do you know he did this? and you clearly do have an empathy problem
La Lioness Priyanka
Nov 2015
#61
entirely possible. again we don't know, hence blaming random women for it
La Lioness Priyanka
Nov 2015
#19
One Porn star said some of her "co-workers" were taking the risk to have his baby
snooper2
Nov 2015
#31
I do too--the only person he should be blaming for this is the man in the mirror.
bklyncowgirl
Nov 2015
#35
he wasn't really having unprotected sex either. his ex mentioned that he used lambskin condoms
La Lioness Priyanka
Nov 2015
#40
I'd love to hear the pretense from the idiot who pretends absolute knowledge
LanternWaste
Nov 2015
#45
Yep. A person can get HIV infection from having unprotected sex with another person.
Avalux
Nov 2015
#36
Also, it's possible that if he is regularly effed up, he really doesn't know exactly what he (or
smirkymonkey
Nov 2015
#53
I believe the idiom "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" applies to everyone in this situation
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Nov 2015
#38
I must live a sheltered life because I have never heard of any of these people.
Tipperary
Nov 2015
#56
Okay.. Do you know who "Pewdiepie" is? (Not a porn star). I'm guessing you don't.
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2015
#90
He does all kinds of drugs. What proof is there that he got it from having sex?
appleannie1
Nov 2015
#57
about as much as people who get the flu are to blame, as they def should have taken the flu shot
La Lioness Priyanka
Nov 2015
#91
But people could have gotten HIV from HIM even though his levels are "undectable"
rocktivity
Nov 2015
#68
Considering his taste for hard drugs, maybe he used heroin, too. A contaminated needle
tblue37
Nov 2015
#70
Charlie Sheen is a whipping post for some, they hover around waiting for his every problem
Rex
Nov 2015
#73
this is a great point. i addressed something similar in my other OP
La Lioness Priyanka
Nov 2015
#82
so is the cold, so are driving accidents, so is the flu, so are a multitude of other diseases
La Lioness Priyanka
Nov 2015
#93
Charlie likes porn stars and escorts of all genders, from what I've been reading.
WinkyDink
Nov 2015
#94
He has espoused an extremely risky lifestyle for years & years. He has no one to blame to himself.
WillowTree
Nov 2015
#95
On the show, Charlie made a of point of bragging that he hasn't missed a medical treatment
rocktivity
Nov 2015
#98
Porn stars do important and hard work, but some here have attacked them long before this
Township75
Nov 2015
#96