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applegrove

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Tue Nov 17, 2015, 10:13 PM Nov 2015

Words matter in ‘ISIS’ war, so use ‘Daesh’ [View all]

Words matter in ‘ISIS’ war, so use ‘Daesh’

By Zeba Khan at the Boston Globe

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/10/09/words-matter-isis-war-use-daesh/V85GYEuasEEJgrUun0dMUP/story.html

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Whether referred to as ISIS, ISIL, or IS, all three names reflect aspirations that the United States and its allies unequivocally reject. Political and religious leaders all over the world have noted this. French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said, “This is a terrorist group and not a state. . . the term Islamic State blurs the lines between Islam, Muslims, and Islamists.” President Obama made similar remarks saying, “ISIL is not Islamic . . . and [is] certainly not a state.”

Muslim scholars around the world have denounced the group’s attempt to declare a caliphate. Egyptian Islamic theologian Yusuf al-Qaradawi published an open letter to Muslim scholars explaining, “A group simply announcing a caliphate is not enough to establish a caliphate.” The Syrian Sufi leader Muhammad al-Yacoubi called the group’s declaration “illegitimate” and that supporting it was “haram,” or forbidden.

The term “Daesh” is strategically a better choice because it is still accurate in that it spells out the acronym of the group’s full Arabic name, al-Dawla al-Islamiya fi al-Iraq wa al-Sham. Yet, at the same time, “Daesh” can also be understood as a play on words — and an insult. Depending on how it is conjugated in Arabic, it can mean anything from “to trample down and crush” to “a bigot who imposes his view on others.” Already, the group has reportedly threatened to cut out the tongues of anyone who uses the term.

Why do they care so much? The same reason the United States should. Language matters.



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Call it what it is. It's a Saudi militia that's taken over Shi'ia territory. leveymg Nov 2015 #1
That change seems petty, like how GWB called Sadam Hussein with long first a, short second one. TheBlackAdder Nov 2015 #39
thank you. snot Nov 2015 #41
naäam El Supremo Nov 2015 #2
Well... uppityperson Nov 2015 #28
!! ejbr Nov 2015 #42
How about "The JV Team?" If they don't like "Daesh," they'll really hate that. n/t cigsandcoffee Nov 2015 #3
btw DonCoquixote Nov 2015 #4
Isn't it Da-ish? I'm bad with language. applegrove Nov 2015 #5
Hollande pronounces it BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #10
Me too spiderpig Nov 2015 #20
Yeah because they all come to DU to spy on infidels. underahedgerow Nov 2015 #30
LOL - I'm taking that as a joke. BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #33
Here's one take on it (I was wondering the same thing): Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #6
I am like you but I think Jim Beard Nov 2015 #8
I think it's Douche... lame54 Nov 2015 #9
I'm down with that. 47of74 Nov 2015 #25
There it is Dem2 Nov 2015 #37
I'm goin with douche. MynameisBlarney Nov 2015 #34
Sweet! AllyCat Nov 2015 #35
Day-sh Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #36
been calling them daesh bags for a long time rollin74 Nov 2015 #7
Asshole fanatics covers it in my book. hobbit709 Nov 2015 #11
I am 100 percent with you on this one. Tipperary Nov 2015 #16
Isis was also an ancient Egyptian sulphurdunn Nov 2015 #12
Yeah! Let's start calling them a name they don't like. B2G Nov 2015 #13
Actually, the current name(s)... philosslayer Nov 2015 #14
And the Westboro Baptist Church calling themselves that B2G Nov 2015 #15
If they were beheading people ShrimpPoboy Nov 2015 #17
I like the idea - it's trivial but every little bit of contempt adds up. hedgehog Nov 2015 #18
Web help on pronunciation Jim Beard Nov 2015 #19
still waiting for a significant call-out by world Muslim religious leaders LiberalLovinLug Nov 2015 #21
I heard this on the news today Angry Dragon Nov 2015 #22
I say we call them "Baby Face" klook Nov 2015 #23
Or shadowmayor Nov 2015 #24
We didn't call Nazi Germany "Großdeutsches Reich." We called them Nazi Germany. ericson00 Nov 2015 #26
ISIS hates being called Daesh. It means to trample down others. applegrove Nov 2015 #27
I didn't know the origin of the word Jinx Nov 2015 #29
How hard is it to put up a post-it as a reminder? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #31
What should we call that ? Wash. state Desk Jet Nov 2015 #32
Here's a kick and a rec. GoneOffShore Nov 2015 #38
The Associated Press Stylebook is not on board with that usage yet. mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2015 #40
kick and rec love_katz Nov 2015 #43
Ahh yes. The middle school strategy of hurt their feelings should cripple then in no time Lee-Lee Nov 2015 #44
If it stops a few youth from signing up because Daesh can be taken as 'to trample', which fights applegrove Nov 2015 #45
Words matter: ISIS = I'm a Stupid, Insane Savage Yorktown Nov 2015 #46
Thanks, but no SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #47
They are gang members - nothing more Generic Brad Nov 2015 #48
Here are the two main reasons we should refer to them as DAESH. stuarttman63 Nov 2015 #49
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