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ericson00

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15. the difference is this:

Wed Nov 18, 2015, 02:39 AM

Nov 2015

the JDL or similar ideologically based groups have not attacked countries on every inhabited continent on the face of the Earth. See http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10077373/Graphic-terrorist-attacks-by-al-Qaeda-Islamist-and-Islamic-terrorist-groups-2001-2011.html (and that map leaves out a Hezbollah attack in Argentina back in '94).

Also, Israel is not comparable to terror organizations. Its a free democratic UN member state, and even the terrible comparison aside, fact is Jews/Israelis and supporters of Israel might call out anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism, but they'll still defend it and discuss it with opponents and supporters. Islamism apologists won't or they'll lie.

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Many Liberals Defend Islam the Way Conservatives Defend Guns [View all] ericson00 Nov 2015 OP

Reality check: Islam is not progressive Yorktown Nov 2015 #1

I know christians who are a hell of a lot more progressive than some of the people on DU. CBGLuthier Nov 2015 #4

Well, from the start, Christianity is so illogical you can do whatever with it Yorktown Nov 2015 #7

and Judaism and Islam are not? whathehell Nov 2015 #55

I've done it plenty of times leftynyc Nov 2015 #58

Yes whathehell Nov 2015 #73

I just wish more so called liberals leftynyc Nov 2015 #74

My sentiments exactly. whathehell Nov 2015 #75

Just look at leftynyc Nov 2015 #78

Couldn't agree more. Waiting For Everyman Nov 2015 #87

Do it plenty. They're all factless fairy tales. whatthehey Nov 2015 #77

Funny how I keep hearing about all this "I do it plenty" whathehell Nov 2015 #81

Are you and whatthehey related? Cousins or brothers? nt tblue37 Nov 2015 #168

No, not at all. n/t whathehell Nov 2015 #173

Judaism, Islam and Christianity itcfish Nov 2015 #84

Fine...I think.you should test that whathehell Nov 2015 #85

I posted a thread just yesterday asking some help understanding some text snooper2 Nov 2015 #92

I get your point, but whathehell Nov 2015 #109

Don't worry: I'm an equal opportunity religion basher Yorktown Nov 2015 #130

And what religion was Stalin promoting? jberryhill Nov 2015 #151

They were promoting Communism, a secular dogma which happened to be anti-theist Yorktown Nov 2015 #153

Don't conflate "progressive" with "liberal." MADem Nov 2015 #54

I don't know the difference between those two terms. Mister Ed Nov 2015 #63

well said ericson00 Nov 2015 #14

There are historical differences, but Buzz cook Nov 2015 #154

The mythical special privilege granted to Islam strikes again. cpwm17 Nov 2015 #86

No. the millions of good muslims are good people, period Yorktown Nov 2015 #135

Predominately the discussions centers around Muslims rather than Islam. cpwm17 Nov 2015 #140

The discussion centers about Islam?? Xian fundies are regularly pilloried here Yorktown Nov 2015 #142

Christianity is the dominate religion in the US cpwm17 Nov 2015 #144

Agree get the red out Nov 2015 #99

As you should be Yorktown Nov 2015 #137

Because every single Muslim is a saud. They all are the same. Yeah, bullshit. CBGLuthier Nov 2015 #2

Shoving words into other's mouths leftynyc Nov 2015 #71

How is repeating the argument a person is making, "shoving words in their mouth" kcr Nov 2015 #126

Nowhere in that post leftynyc Nov 2015 #161

To a extent I agree rockfordfile Nov 2015 #138

1.8 BILLION Muslims in this world Binkie The Clown Nov 2015 #3

I do hope you did not hurt your ass when you pulled this "statistic" out CBGLuthier Nov 2015 #5

He's quoting from the Pew poll. Yorktown Nov 2015 #11

I'm sure you can expect leftynyc Nov 2015 #59

some polling specifically on Syrian refugees Angel Martin Nov 2015 #100

Very interesting. Thanks. Yorktown Nov 2015 #139

Spot on Yorktown Nov 2015 #6

I wonder if this post will get alerted Ex Lurker Nov 2015 #9

I'll risk it: that post was insisting on free speech Yorktown Nov 2015 #13

feel better by posting this Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #16

Yes, the Paris attack does "feel big and bad" Yorktown Nov 2015 #17

Would you support banning religions Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #23

I support undermining religion by education Yorktown Nov 2015 #24

Ok Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #27

The Bible (OT+NT) states absurd facts and supports slavery Yorktown Nov 2015 #31

What relgion was he practicing ? Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #36

Do you currently have a Christian kingdom financing Christian extremism Yorktown Nov 2015 #39

HUH? Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #40

I don't know and I don't care Yorktown Nov 2015 #43

Mock religon all you want its your right Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #45

Well, I'd take arms to defend you from a Dylan Roof Yorktown Nov 2015 #47

As most issues, it's not all black and white safeinOhio Nov 2015 #57

Besides the United States? Buzz cook Nov 2015 #155

afaik, the US is a secular country with a secular Constitution Yorktown Nov 2015 #160

The US is a secular country Buzz cook Nov 2015 #163

No. Constitution, government and public opinion trump President. Yorktown Nov 2015 #165

Do you have an issue Ford F-150 Nov 2015 #19

None at all Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #21

Racism should be ridiculed. Offending religion is perfectly fine. Yorktown Nov 2015 #26

I see Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #30

Where did I say that? Yorktown Nov 2015 #34

Where did the poster write anything about Ford F-150 Nov 2015 #38

Flag on the play. hifiguy Nov 2015 #114

Yes...racist speech is protected Ford F-150 Nov 2015 #37

For what it's worth leftynyc Nov 2015 #60

What if some issues a fatwa against DU... Jesus Malverde Nov 2015 #66

Nope leftynyc Nov 2015 #67

Come on lefty by now you should know Jesus Malverde Nov 2015 #68

Oy - sorry leftynyc Nov 2015 #70

I have the feeling we share some views. Yorktown Nov 2015 #141

That's nice to hear leftynyc Nov 2015 #162

Agreed 100% hifiguy Nov 2015 #112

Islam is an oppressive religion no doubt just like most religions. Kalidurga Nov 2015 #8

A stone shy of stoning them to death? TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2015 #103

'Cuz we don't let 'em. Iggo Nov 2015 #104

They marginalize and blame rape victims Kalidurga Nov 2015 #111

You can't argue with the fact that a LOT of Xtian sects are super misogynistic and repressive. Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #134

I don't buy "over the centuries" TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2015 #146

+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #10

as a Hillary supporter, I'd never thought ericson00 Nov 2015 #22

Count me in as another staunch Bernie supporter hifiguy Nov 2015 #115

No major religion is progressive, but... TreasonousBastard Nov 2015 #12

the difference is this: ericson00 Nov 2015 #15

Of course, but the point is not to defend... TreasonousBastard Nov 2015 #29

I suspect part of it is due to innocent people in the US being subjects of hate crimes. herding cats Nov 2015 #18

I agree-- we progreessives have become accustomed to defend groups that are discriminated against... TreasonousBastard Nov 2015 #32

That may be a part of it. Behind the Aegis Nov 2015 #41

Defending all of Islam? herding cats Nov 2015 #117

From that FBI report: Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #90

There's only one bias there I admit I've missed. herding cats Nov 2015 #119

Undeniable? shadowmayor Nov 2015 #20

! ronnie624 Nov 2015 #25

Were the islamist attacks in China caused by US policy? Yorktown Nov 2015 #28

Kill a Commie for Mommy shadowmayor Nov 2015 #35

Can't blame the west for leftynyc Nov 2015 #61

The US, a Christian majority nation cpwm17 Nov 2015 #83

Your fallacy is the same as that blaming Hitler on atheism Yorktown Nov 2015 #133

"the culture of Islam" such as is found in Albania and Indonesia? geek tragedy Nov 2015 #33

each has suffered serious jihadist attacks ericson00 Nov 2015 #48

The premise is utter bullshit. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #42

No: ideologies can generate violence Yorktown Nov 2015 #44

Congratulations on missing the point. I can see it was a herculean effort on your point. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #46

Not sure what point I'm missing. Yorktown Nov 2015 #50

All of them, actually. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #52

I agree to defend people, Muslim or not, unjustly attacked for whatever reason Yorktown Nov 2015 #53

Thought you should know. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2015 #49

Thanks for the info. Alerters are relentless. Yorktown Nov 2015 #51

Islamic law forbids terrorism Mnpaul Nov 2015 #143

Thank you uppityperson Nov 2015 #145

Is Juan Cole joking? Yorktown Nov 2015 #147

Hitchens? Mnpaul Nov 2015 #148

Hitch was wrong on Iraq and Cole is wrong on Islam Yorktown Nov 2015 #149

I'm guessing that you missed the disclaimer at the top Mnpaul Nov 2015 #150

Republicans are people, too oberliner Nov 2015 #62

Good point! smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #164

the culture is Islam treestar Nov 2015 #56

When everyone should defend both. ileus Nov 2015 #64

Wow, I can't believe this thread. Nonhlanhla Nov 2015 #65

I like pie� MrScorpio Nov 2015 #69

Technically, not pie charts - more like Venn diagrams! bullwinkle428 Nov 2015 #79

I can dig it nt MrScorpio Nov 2015 #152

... SidDithers Nov 2015 #72

Do you really want answers? whatthehey Nov 2015 #76

Many DU Members Bash Right Wing Christians Relentlessly Democat Nov 2015 #80

+1000. whathehell Nov 2015 #82

Again, Bullshit whatthehey Nov 2015 #89

Again, I call bullshit to you.... whathehell Nov 2015 #95

How many examples do you want of this supposedly nonerxistent criticism of non-Xians? whatthehey Nov 2015 #120

As many as you can find whathehell Nov 2015 #159

How many will shut up your lies that it doesn't happen? I'm waiting... whatthehey Nov 2015 #166

enough is enough. Your point was made the first time. There is no rule that says someone has to still_one Nov 2015 #167

Ten days after bragging about all those "examples" you had and you have NOTHING, LOL? whathehell Nov 2015 #172

Did it ever occur to you that's because the religious people doing most of the damage in Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #136

My God! itcfish Nov 2015 #88

That "political group" sure acts likes a religious group... whatthehey Nov 2015 #94

They use religion itcfish Nov 2015 #102

And they kill people over solely religious reasons whatthehey Nov 2015 #121

Every. Word. True. Octafish Nov 2015 #107

I also agree Oilwellian Nov 2015 #118

Our local hospital has a Syrian physician... Octafish Nov 2015 #129

The culture of any conservative strain of religion is incompatible with progressivism. Arkana Nov 2015 #91

Most encouraging post in days here at DU. earthside Nov 2015 #93

To most in here.....Christianity is the only bad religion davidn3600 Nov 2015 #96

Nobody Said itcfish Nov 2015 #97

Almost certainly bullshit. Iggo Nov 2015 #110

Nope. But it gets the most attention here because it does the most damage here. Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #132

They are all equally bad from my own point of view. 6000eliot Nov 2015 #157

They are all equally bad from my own point of view. 6000eliot Nov 2015 #158

Muslims are not uniquely violent: cpwm17 Nov 2015 #98

Islam is a religion. A gun is a specifically designed deadly weapon. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2015 #101

Religion is not inherently dangerous Rebkeh Nov 2015 #105

Religion IS inherently destructive and oppressive. hifiguy Nov 2015 #116

These books say all kinds of things, Rebkeh Nov 2015 #128

A killing machine and someones belief system are not equal. Rex Nov 2015 #106

what does Bill Maher know about being a liberal? reddread Nov 2015 #108

Exactly so. Maher has devolved into a world-class Islamophobe. Paladin Nov 2015 #125

True, and the hypocrisy stinks so badly hifiguy Nov 2015 #113

Bad Bad start to this article... lame54 Nov 2015 #122

I am so fucking sick of labels. Avalux Nov 2015 #123

I think qwlauren35 Nov 2015 #124

I'm confused. Liberals are bigoted against guns? kcr Nov 2015 #127

I don't hate Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, what have you ... Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #131

People assume that every person from a "Muslim" Nation is Muslim Lorien Nov 2015 #156

+1 loyalsister Nov 2015 #169

Many pseudo-liberals and ignoramuses create false equivalences and KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #170

Islam or the people who are harmed by rampan Islamaphobia in the US? loyalsister Nov 2015 #171