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Bluenorthwest

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30. Well that freedom should be for all individuals, not just straight men of the dominate faith group

Wed Nov 18, 2015, 08:53 AM

Nov 2015

Islamic nations are not parliamentary and they use violent means of enforcing bigoted theocratic laws. Not one Muslim nation allows LGBT to live freely, all punish and several have the death penalty for being gay. Only Muslim nations have such a penalty. Many more subject us to the lash, and not just gay people also artists and writers and others.

And those are not 'fanatics' they are Nation States, US allies. The people who suffer under those rulers are almost all Muslims. If you don't stand for what is right and against what is wrong, you wind up standing with the wrong set of Muslims and helping to legitimize the horrors they subject others to. They do not subject US LGBT to those horrors. They do that to their own. So which group do you stand with, both being Muslims, the man with the whip in one hand and Koran in the other or the man he is flogging mercilessly?

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Should we Stop Discussing whether Islam is Peaceful ? [View all] JI7 Nov 2015 OP

Of course it would, but fat chance of that... TreasonousBastard Nov 2015 #1

Should we stop discussing whether Christianity is peaceful? Warpy Nov 2015 #2

+ a bazillion inanna Nov 2015 #4

yes,i agree with all religions. we see it on DU also when someone says "he isn't a real christian" JI7 Nov 2015 #9

It seems that far too many people have never heard of hifiguy Nov 2015 #62

Thank you. Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #10

Thanks from me too! eom BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #20

We should start. Both Islam and Christianity are proselytizing Hortensis Nov 2015 #23

+1 ejbr Nov 2015 #24

I agree! haikugal Nov 2015 #76

I know plenty of peaceful Muslims. MADem Nov 2015 #3

while I agree to beware of a broad brush ericson00 Nov 2015 #5

Christians have done a fine job of racking up the body count too. nt MADem Nov 2015 #6

this isn't about what religion individuals happen to be. ericson00 Nov 2015 #7

You seriously don't think that Christianity has been used as MADem Nov 2015 #11

his party and ideology was not started in order to spread Christianity ericson00 Nov 2015 #15

Opportunistic pragmatism. Why are you so insular that you suppose MADem Nov 2015 #50

Ahem.... Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #47

+5000000 ericson00 Nov 2015 #51

Thank you for proving my point. MADem Nov 2015 #53

yes, but that's what i mean. there are good/bad people in all religions JI7 Nov 2015 #8

I am agreeing with you and riffing on your thesis. nt MADem Nov 2015 #12

Wait a minute. You know a bunch of Muslims who don't live according to the religion's rules, Marr Nov 2015 #71

Of course they are--just like the "real" Catholics with two kids. MADem Nov 2015 #73

Islam subjugates women and persecutes gay people. Tipperary Nov 2015 #13

well said! ericson00 Nov 2015 #14

If you are BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #21

Well that freedom should be for all individuals, not just straight men of the dominate faith group Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #30

I am a bit confused by your answer. BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #63

It's not just the fanatics who subjugate women and persecute gays. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #40

I lived for eight years BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #57

There will be others coming leftynyc Nov 2015 #16

While I bellieve all all religous extremists to be a bad influence, Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #17

I like Maher leftynyc Nov 2015 #18

Its good to be back ericson00 Nov 2015 #19

I'm not against Islam leftynyc Nov 2015 #28

I'm with you. I'm against the demagogues from the GOP's side ericson00 Nov 2015 #31

That's a very good piece leftynyc Nov 2015 #34

I read the article and it was very good Jim Beard Nov 2015 #52

The US has much stricter leftynyc Nov 2015 #58

Its sad to say that our country has ALMOST always been horrible to refugees or immigrants Jim Beard Nov 2015 #69

We definitely have our leftynyc Nov 2015 #74

Which country doesn't have its darker history? TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2015 #82

100% True leftynyc Nov 2015 #90

You mean the Syrians were acting like Americans on Black Friday though snagglepuss Nov 2015 #78

They are choosing the wrong people to support. Jim Beard Nov 2015 #84

+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #87

Go back a thousand years. trotsky Nov 2015 #25

I don't deny the PAST leftynyc Nov 2015 #29

I'm concerned about the past. As we all should be. We have to learn from it. trotsky Nov 2015 #33

Spare me the drama leftynyc Nov 2015 #35

Drama? Because you don't want anyone to discuss the violent past of your religion? trotsky Nov 2015 #36

I'm not a Christian leftynyc Nov 2015 #38

The reality of the problem is that many religions - not just Islam - have violence in their texts. trotsky Nov 2015 #39

Violence in books is one thing leftynyc Nov 2015 #42

Yet those religions have done the same in the past... trotsky Nov 2015 #43

So you must have link leftynyc Nov 2015 #44

Take off the blinders. Open your eyes. trotsky Nov 2015 #56

If you think comparing leftynyc Nov 2015 #59

What's stopping them then? Throd Nov 2015 #45

That's simple atreides1 Nov 2015 #54

If they really believed that strongly they would just go do it. Martyrdom for the cause. Throd Nov 2015 #60

Secular governments, enlightenment thinking. trotsky Nov 2015 #55

Give it up. Your argument is pointless. The past is no longer relevant when discussing smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #88

Its not religeon, its Thugs> Jim Beard Nov 2015 #86

"came of age" melman Nov 2015 #48

I'm just glad that Christianity doesn't subjugate women and persecute gay people Android3.14 Nov 2015 #22

Ask yourself a very simple question leftynyc Nov 2015 #46

"West or in an Islamic country" is Apples and oranges Android3.14 Nov 2015 #64

No, not really leftynyc Nov 2015 #72

Yes, really - Mali, Jordan, Turkey, Indonesia and Albania Android3.14 Nov 2015 #75

that doesn't make them all terrorists treestar Nov 2015 #79

can we still talk about "Islamic governments"? alc Nov 2015 #26

I agree get the red out Nov 2015 #27

Islam is not progressive FLPanhandle Nov 2015 #32

Bra-fcking-vo! hifiguy Nov 2015 #65

But some on DU see it as anti-Western, so it gets a pass. Throd Nov 2015 #66

hopefully, not anymore ericson00 Nov 2015 #83

But some on DU see it as anti-Western, so it gets a pass. Throd Nov 2015 #66

But some on DU see it as anti-Western, so it gets a pass. Throd Nov 2015 #67

Yes please. nt redwitch Nov 2015 #37

I imagine the inherent peace or violence of a thing is predicated on interpretation. LanternWaste Nov 2015 #41

Yes, because of course some Muslims are and some are not. But it's better to discuss agendas Yo_Mama Nov 2015 #49

None of the Abrahamic fairy tales is about peace. Period. hifiguy Nov 2015 #61

It's a free country. You can do or not do whatever you want. closeupready Nov 2015 #70

Islam is no more violent than Christianity. TIME TO PANIC Nov 2015 #77

"ISIL is not Islamic. No religion condones the killing of innocents." - Barack Obama mwrguy Nov 2015 #80

Well, if the President said it, it must be true. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2015 #81

That simply isn't true. Marr Nov 2015 #85

Most Christians don't give as much weight to the TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2015 #89