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trotsky

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33. I'm concerned about the past. As we all should be. We have to learn from it.

Wed Nov 18, 2015, 11:17 AM

Nov 2015

Elements of Christianity that caused those bad things are still there in the bible. People are still reading them literally and acting on them. I think it is dangerous to take the attitude of "Oh that was in the past and everything is fine now" as you are doing.

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Should we Stop Discussing whether Islam is Peaceful ? [View all] JI7 Nov 2015 OP

Of course it would, but fat chance of that... TreasonousBastard Nov 2015 #1

Should we stop discussing whether Christianity is peaceful? Warpy Nov 2015 #2

+ a bazillion inanna Nov 2015 #4

yes,i agree with all religions. we see it on DU also when someone says "he isn't a real christian" JI7 Nov 2015 #9

It seems that far too many people have never heard of hifiguy Nov 2015 #62

Thank you. Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #10

Thanks from me too! eom BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #20

We should start. Both Islam and Christianity are proselytizing Hortensis Nov 2015 #23

+1 ejbr Nov 2015 #24

I agree! haikugal Nov 2015 #76

I know plenty of peaceful Muslims. MADem Nov 2015 #3

while I agree to beware of a broad brush ericson00 Nov 2015 #5

Christians have done a fine job of racking up the body count too. nt MADem Nov 2015 #6

this isn't about what religion individuals happen to be. ericson00 Nov 2015 #7

You seriously don't think that Christianity has been used as MADem Nov 2015 #11

his party and ideology was not started in order to spread Christianity ericson00 Nov 2015 #15

Opportunistic pragmatism. Why are you so insular that you suppose MADem Nov 2015 #50

Ahem.... Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #47

+5000000 ericson00 Nov 2015 #51

Thank you for proving my point. MADem Nov 2015 #53

yes, but that's what i mean. there are good/bad people in all religions JI7 Nov 2015 #8

I am agreeing with you and riffing on your thesis. nt MADem Nov 2015 #12

Wait a minute. You know a bunch of Muslims who don't live according to the religion's rules, Marr Nov 2015 #71

Of course they are--just like the "real" Catholics with two kids. MADem Nov 2015 #73

Islam subjugates women and persecutes gay people. Tipperary Nov 2015 #13

well said! ericson00 Nov 2015 #14

If you are BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #21

Well that freedom should be for all individuals, not just straight men of the dominate faith group Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #30

I am a bit confused by your answer. BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #63

It's not just the fanatics who subjugate women and persecute gays. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #40

I lived for eight years BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #57

There will be others coming leftynyc Nov 2015 #16

While I bellieve all all religous extremists to be a bad influence, Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #17

I like Maher leftynyc Nov 2015 #18

Its good to be back ericson00 Nov 2015 #19

I'm not against Islam leftynyc Nov 2015 #28

I'm with you. I'm against the demagogues from the GOP's side ericson00 Nov 2015 #31

That's a very good piece leftynyc Nov 2015 #34

I read the article and it was very good Jim Beard Nov 2015 #52

The US has much stricter leftynyc Nov 2015 #58

Its sad to say that our country has ALMOST always been horrible to refugees or immigrants Jim Beard Nov 2015 #69

We definitely have our leftynyc Nov 2015 #74

Which country doesn't have its darker history? TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2015 #82

100% True leftynyc Nov 2015 #90

You mean the Syrians were acting like Americans on Black Friday though snagglepuss Nov 2015 #78

They are choosing the wrong people to support. Jim Beard Nov 2015 #84

+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #87

Go back a thousand years. trotsky Nov 2015 #25

I don't deny the PAST leftynyc Nov 2015 #29

I'm concerned about the past. As we all should be. We have to learn from it. trotsky Nov 2015 #33

Spare me the drama leftynyc Nov 2015 #35

Drama? Because you don't want anyone to discuss the violent past of your religion? trotsky Nov 2015 #36

I'm not a Christian leftynyc Nov 2015 #38

The reality of the problem is that many religions - not just Islam - have violence in their texts. trotsky Nov 2015 #39

Violence in books is one thing leftynyc Nov 2015 #42

Yet those religions have done the same in the past... trotsky Nov 2015 #43

So you must have link leftynyc Nov 2015 #44

Take off the blinders. Open your eyes. trotsky Nov 2015 #56

If you think comparing leftynyc Nov 2015 #59

What's stopping them then? Throd Nov 2015 #45

That's simple atreides1 Nov 2015 #54

If they really believed that strongly they would just go do it. Martyrdom for the cause. Throd Nov 2015 #60

Secular governments, enlightenment thinking. trotsky Nov 2015 #55

Give it up. Your argument is pointless. The past is no longer relevant when discussing smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #88

Its not religeon, its Thugs> Jim Beard Nov 2015 #86

"came of age" melman Nov 2015 #48

I'm just glad that Christianity doesn't subjugate women and persecute gay people Android3.14 Nov 2015 #22

Ask yourself a very simple question leftynyc Nov 2015 #46

"West or in an Islamic country" is Apples and oranges Android3.14 Nov 2015 #64

No, not really leftynyc Nov 2015 #72

Yes, really - Mali, Jordan, Turkey, Indonesia and Albania Android3.14 Nov 2015 #75

that doesn't make them all terrorists treestar Nov 2015 #79

can we still talk about "Islamic governments"? alc Nov 2015 #26

I agree get the red out Nov 2015 #27

Islam is not progressive FLPanhandle Nov 2015 #32

Bra-fcking-vo! hifiguy Nov 2015 #65

But some on DU see it as anti-Western, so it gets a pass. Throd Nov 2015 #66

hopefully, not anymore ericson00 Nov 2015 #83

But some on DU see it as anti-Western, so it gets a pass. Throd Nov 2015 #66

But some on DU see it as anti-Western, so it gets a pass. Throd Nov 2015 #67

Yes please. nt redwitch Nov 2015 #37

I imagine the inherent peace or violence of a thing is predicated on interpretation. LanternWaste Nov 2015 #41

Yes, because of course some Muslims are and some are not. But it's better to discuss agendas Yo_Mama Nov 2015 #49

None of the Abrahamic fairy tales is about peace. Period. hifiguy Nov 2015 #61

It's a free country. You can do or not do whatever you want. closeupready Nov 2015 #70

Islam is no more violent than Christianity. TIME TO PANIC Nov 2015 #77

"ISIL is not Islamic. No religion condones the killing of innocents." - Barack Obama mwrguy Nov 2015 #80

Well, if the President said it, it must be true. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2015 #81

That simply isn't true. Marr Nov 2015 #85

Most Christians don't give as much weight to the TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2015 #89