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Lordquinton

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84. So you claim that the hate and bigotry is what defines religion?
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 03:35 PM
Nov 2015

Are Mormon fundamentalists spreading the anti gay hate? Is is Catholic fundamentalists who are anti women? No, it's core doctrine that defines those positions.

Yes, anti theists tend to want the religious hate to stop, and the beliefs to not be brought into the public sphere and guiding the laws and course of the world, every religion wants it's views protected in laws, and that doesn't stop at respect, your church wants it's anti LGBTQIA agenda as the law of the land.

There is no equivalency here.

Where would you put the atheist that shot :Deah Barakat, Yusor Abu-Salha, Razan Abu-Salha in NC Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #1
Atheism isn't a belief system... MellowDem Nov 2015 #2
terrorist can be have religious person or have no belief system Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #3
What are you talking about? Your posts read as incoherent nonsense. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #6
Thanks. They are from my area and did quite a bit for humanity in their short time. mmonk Nov 2015 #14
Bravo! smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #4
Many of the same people who swarm attack posters hifiguy Nov 2015 #21
Proof that Bill Maher was leftynyc Nov 2015 #58
Who said religion had nothing to do with the Paris attacks? Iggo Nov 2015 #5
It's been said and, more frequently, implied, hifiguy Nov 2015 #22
The core problem with this analysis is that assumes that people el_bryanto Nov 2015 #7
I'm not seeing your argument tkmorris Nov 2015 #8
Well it's a longer discussion el_bryanto Nov 2015 #12
I think that makes sense... MellowDem Nov 2015 #15
Christianity, the Jewish and Islam are religions that have jwirr Nov 2015 #26
Read the rules... MellowDem Nov 2015 #9
But they do believe in other parts of it - right? el_bryanto Nov 2015 #10
They are identifying with it... MellowDem Nov 2015 #13
Yep - "Religious Privilege" is a lot like freedom of conscience. nt el_bryanto Nov 2015 #16
More like "freedom from criticism" MellowDem Nov 2015 #17
How are they free from criticism? el_bryanto Nov 2015 #18
As in by wider society.... MellowDem Nov 2015 #19
So Christians and Muslims should be treated as fascists and members of the KKK in your opinion? nt el_bryanto Nov 2015 #20
No, Christianity and Islam... MellowDem Nov 2015 #31
OK - but people who want to fit into normal society el_bryanto Nov 2015 #38
Thats the issue... MellowDem Nov 2015 #62
Thank - well stated. That makes it very clear. el_bryanto Nov 2015 #69
The reason religions face a lot of criticism is because they great everyone else as second class Lordquinton Nov 2015 #70
It's Mormon Church by the way. el_bryanto Nov 2015 #71
So you're fine with Religions treating others as second class Lordquinton Nov 2015 #72
I'm not fine with Religions's treating others as second class citizens el_bryanto Nov 2015 #73
Then adherence to a bigoted doctrine is an act that should be judged Lordquinton Nov 2015 #75
You don't really know me. el_bryanto Nov 2015 #76
How do you justify that with your church's doctrine? Lordquinton Nov 2015 #78
Well a few points el_bryanto Nov 2015 #79
Your church counts you as supporting it's hate agenda Lordquinton Nov 2015 #80
I reject that definition of religious privilege as it clearly encroaches on the right of people el_bryanto Nov 2015 #81
So you claim that the hate and bigotry is what defines religion? Lordquinton Nov 2015 #84
You really aren't making any sense here el_bryanto Nov 2015 #85
You are doing a lot of twisting Lordquinton Nov 2015 #86
I'm glad you don't want to turn that into persecution el_bryanto Nov 2015 #89
So you don't deny your privilege? Lordquinton Nov 2015 #90
Excommunication is more of a discussion for the Religion Room el_bryanto Nov 2015 #91
The point is that believers can shrug off responsilbity for the horrible snagglepuss Nov 2015 #43
I suppose they might also point out that they don't advocate those horrible parts el_bryanto Nov 2015 #55
How about their evidence-free beliefs be treated the same as any other? whatthehey Nov 2015 #24
So in a just society Religious believers would be ineligible to hold public office el_bryanto Nov 2015 #40
Are believers in Santa ineligible? whatthehey Nov 2015 #49
Thank you for clarifying. el_bryanto Nov 2015 #53
They are identifying with an idea that goes back to the 9th jwirr Nov 2015 #27
The "modern version"... MellowDem Nov 2015 #29
I was objecting to the broad brush used in the OP. There are jwirr Nov 2015 #30
These are present day problems... MellowDem Nov 2015 #33
You've lost me.Are you saying people are choosing their religion deliberately snagglepuss Nov 2015 #41
Excellent post. I have zero respect for Abraham's cruel, capricious, misogynist god Dems to Win Nov 2015 #11
To be a Liberal/Progressive minded person is to critique ALL ideologies Yavin4 Nov 2015 #23
Extremist fundamentalists pick and choose small bad bits ignoring the context uppityperson Nov 2015 #25
True, but the Moderates and Liberals do the same with the good bits. Its the same selective... Humanist_Activist Nov 2015 #28
I've no problem with people treating each other and the world with kindness uppityperson Nov 2015 #37
No but when each side is equally convinced that THEY are following the "true" word of god... trotsky Nov 2015 #47
ISIS is Mulsim and the KKK are Christian. What difference does that make. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #32
You didn't read the OP... MellowDem Nov 2015 #34
Religion is whatever people say it is. DirkGently Nov 2015 #35
Criticism of religion is silenced... MellowDem Nov 2015 #36
We're criticizing religion right now. DirkGently Nov 2015 #42
Not in broader society... MellowDem Nov 2015 #64
There's this absurd idea that it's only "real" religion when it's nice. n/t Old Union Guy Nov 2015 #39
How about the only "acceptable" religion? DirkGently Nov 2015 #44
"when things get harsh or ugly, the bad ideas are still there" trotsky Nov 2015 #48
As someone agnostic102 Nov 2015 #45
Thank you for your perspective. smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #60
The importance of religion to terrorism is an important factor... lumberjack_jeff Nov 2015 #46
I think what we do about it... MellowDem Nov 2015 #65
Is like saying that patriotism had nothing to do with blowing up the Murrow Federal Building. pampango Nov 2015 #50
I would say that ISIL, Daesh, is a cult not a group of Muslims. nt BootinUp Nov 2015 #51
yes! agnostic102 Nov 2015 #54
Isis is to Islam as the Branch Davidians were to Christianity. bklyncowgirl Nov 2015 #57
A lot of Muslims would disagree with you... MellowDem Nov 2015 #66
#NotAllMen... nt Romulox Nov 2015 #52
"ISIL is not Islamic. No religion condones the killing of innocents." - Barack Obama mwrguy Nov 2015 #56
Mohammed was a warrior who slew innocent people in his snagglepuss Nov 2015 #63
Mohamed lived in the 7th century treestar Nov 2015 #88
Jesus not his apostles didn't engage in war. snagglepuss Nov 2015 #92
That is exactly what I'm talking about... MellowDem Nov 2015 #67
I certainly didn't define religion that way. BootinUp Nov 2015 #68
Were the Crusades Christian? Was the Inquisition Catholic? Marr Nov 2015 #83
Many progressives have a strange relationship with Islam Matrosov Nov 2015 #59
*This* smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #61
What you describe is rampant on DU Democat Nov 2015 #74
...is like saying Christianity has nothing to do with the acts by the KKK. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #77
Many American liberals are thrown into a rhetorical tailspin by Islam. Marr Nov 2015 #82
Islam has a lot less separation of religion and state treestar Nov 2015 #87
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