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117. Defending all of Islam?

Wed Nov 18, 2015, 05:19 PM

Nov 2015

Including the extremist like Daesh/ISIL/ISIS? People who commit genocide and use torture and death threats to force others to conform to their doctrine deserve no defense from progressives. We have to accept that sometimes people do commit atrocities in the name of their religion, and when they do it's not a bias to be outraged that the people who do such.

Jewish people are by far the most attacked religious group in our nation. It's like a sickness for some people. You'd think looking back at what such actions have caused over the centuries they'd learn better, but no. Like so many people with other biases they hold to their hate and refuse to learn. They even add new false layers to their reasoning to help spread their hate to others.

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Many Liberals Defend Islam the Way Conservatives Defend Guns [View all] ericson00 Nov 2015 OP

Reality check: Islam is not progressive Yorktown Nov 2015 #1

I know christians who are a hell of a lot more progressive than some of the people on DU. CBGLuthier Nov 2015 #4

Well, from the start, Christianity is so illogical you can do whatever with it Yorktown Nov 2015 #7

and Judaism and Islam are not? whathehell Nov 2015 #55

I've done it plenty of times leftynyc Nov 2015 #58

Yes whathehell Nov 2015 #73

I just wish more so called liberals leftynyc Nov 2015 #74

My sentiments exactly. whathehell Nov 2015 #75

Just look at leftynyc Nov 2015 #78

Couldn't agree more. Waiting For Everyman Nov 2015 #87

Do it plenty. They're all factless fairy tales. whatthehey Nov 2015 #77

Funny how I keep hearing about all this "I do it plenty" whathehell Nov 2015 #81

Are you and whatthehey related? Cousins or brothers? nt tblue37 Nov 2015 #168

No, not at all. n/t whathehell Nov 2015 #173

Judaism, Islam and Christianity itcfish Nov 2015 #84

Fine...I think.you should test that whathehell Nov 2015 #85

I posted a thread just yesterday asking some help understanding some text snooper2 Nov 2015 #92

I get your point, but whathehell Nov 2015 #109

Don't worry: I'm an equal opportunity religion basher Yorktown Nov 2015 #130

And what religion was Stalin promoting? jberryhill Nov 2015 #151

They were promoting Communism, a secular dogma which happened to be anti-theist Yorktown Nov 2015 #153

Don't conflate "progressive" with "liberal." MADem Nov 2015 #54

I don't know the difference between those two terms. Mister Ed Nov 2015 #63

well said ericson00 Nov 2015 #14

There are historical differences, but Buzz cook Nov 2015 #154

The mythical special privilege granted to Islam strikes again. cpwm17 Nov 2015 #86

No. the millions of good muslims are good people, period Yorktown Nov 2015 #135

Predominately the discussions centers around Muslims rather than Islam. cpwm17 Nov 2015 #140

The discussion centers about Islam?? Xian fundies are regularly pilloried here Yorktown Nov 2015 #142

Christianity is the dominate religion in the US cpwm17 Nov 2015 #144

Agree get the red out Nov 2015 #99

As you should be Yorktown Nov 2015 #137

Because every single Muslim is a saud. They all are the same. Yeah, bullshit. CBGLuthier Nov 2015 #2

Shoving words into other's mouths leftynyc Nov 2015 #71

How is repeating the argument a person is making, "shoving words in their mouth" kcr Nov 2015 #126

Nowhere in that post leftynyc Nov 2015 #161

To a extent I agree rockfordfile Nov 2015 #138

1.8 BILLION Muslims in this world Binkie The Clown Nov 2015 #3

I do hope you did not hurt your ass when you pulled this "statistic" out CBGLuthier Nov 2015 #5

He's quoting from the Pew poll. Yorktown Nov 2015 #11

I'm sure you can expect leftynyc Nov 2015 #59

some polling specifically on Syrian refugees Angel Martin Nov 2015 #100

Very interesting. Thanks. Yorktown Nov 2015 #139

Spot on Yorktown Nov 2015 #6

I wonder if this post will get alerted Ex Lurker Nov 2015 #9

I'll risk it: that post was insisting on free speech Yorktown Nov 2015 #13

feel better by posting this Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #16

Yes, the Paris attack does "feel big and bad" Yorktown Nov 2015 #17

Would you support banning religions Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #23

I support undermining religion by education Yorktown Nov 2015 #24

Ok Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #27

The Bible (OT+NT) states absurd facts and supports slavery Yorktown Nov 2015 #31

What relgion was he practicing ? Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #36

Do you currently have a Christian kingdom financing Christian extremism Yorktown Nov 2015 #39

HUH? Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #40

I don't know and I don't care Yorktown Nov 2015 #43

Mock religon all you want its your right Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #45

Well, I'd take arms to defend you from a Dylan Roof Yorktown Nov 2015 #47

As most issues, it's not all black and white safeinOhio Nov 2015 #57

Besides the United States? Buzz cook Nov 2015 #155

afaik, the US is a secular country with a secular Constitution Yorktown Nov 2015 #160

The US is a secular country Buzz cook Nov 2015 #163

No. Constitution, government and public opinion trump President. Yorktown Nov 2015 #165

Do you have an issue Ford F-150 Nov 2015 #19

None at all Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #21

Racism should be ridiculed. Offending religion is perfectly fine. Yorktown Nov 2015 #26

I see Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #30

Where did I say that? Yorktown Nov 2015 #34

Where did the poster write anything about Ford F-150 Nov 2015 #38

Flag on the play. hifiguy Nov 2015 #114

Yes...racist speech is protected Ford F-150 Nov 2015 #37

For what it's worth leftynyc Nov 2015 #60

What if some issues a fatwa against DU... Jesus Malverde Nov 2015 #66

Nope leftynyc Nov 2015 #67

Come on lefty by now you should know Jesus Malverde Nov 2015 #68

Oy - sorry leftynyc Nov 2015 #70

I have the feeling we share some views. Yorktown Nov 2015 #141

That's nice to hear leftynyc Nov 2015 #162

Agreed 100% hifiguy Nov 2015 #112

Islam is an oppressive religion no doubt just like most religions. Kalidurga Nov 2015 #8

A stone shy of stoning them to death? TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2015 #103

'Cuz we don't let 'em. Iggo Nov 2015 #104

They marginalize and blame rape victims Kalidurga Nov 2015 #111

You can't argue with the fact that a LOT of Xtian sects are super misogynistic and repressive. Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #134

I don't buy "over the centuries" TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2015 #146

+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #10

as a Hillary supporter, I'd never thought ericson00 Nov 2015 #22

Count me in as another staunch Bernie supporter hifiguy Nov 2015 #115

No major religion is progressive, but... TreasonousBastard Nov 2015 #12

the difference is this: ericson00 Nov 2015 #15

Of course, but the point is not to defend... TreasonousBastard Nov 2015 #29

I suspect part of it is due to innocent people in the US being subjects of hate crimes. herding cats Nov 2015 #18

I agree-- we progreessives have become accustomed to defend groups that are discriminated against... TreasonousBastard Nov 2015 #32

That may be a part of it. Behind the Aegis Nov 2015 #41

Defending all of Islam? herding cats Nov 2015 #117

From that FBI report: Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #90

There's only one bias there I admit I've missed. herding cats Nov 2015 #119

Undeniable? shadowmayor Nov 2015 #20

! ronnie624 Nov 2015 #25

Were the islamist attacks in China caused by US policy? Yorktown Nov 2015 #28

Kill a Commie for Mommy shadowmayor Nov 2015 #35

Can't blame the west for leftynyc Nov 2015 #61

The US, a Christian majority nation cpwm17 Nov 2015 #83

Your fallacy is the same as that blaming Hitler on atheism Yorktown Nov 2015 #133

"the culture of Islam" such as is found in Albania and Indonesia? geek tragedy Nov 2015 #33

each has suffered serious jihadist attacks ericson00 Nov 2015 #48

The premise is utter bullshit. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #42

No: ideologies can generate violence Yorktown Nov 2015 #44

Congratulations on missing the point. I can see it was a herculean effort on your point. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #46

Not sure what point I'm missing. Yorktown Nov 2015 #50

All of them, actually. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #52

I agree to defend people, Muslim or not, unjustly attacked for whatever reason Yorktown Nov 2015 #53

Thought you should know. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2015 #49

Thanks for the info. Alerters are relentless. Yorktown Nov 2015 #51

Islamic law forbids terrorism Mnpaul Nov 2015 #143

Thank you uppityperson Nov 2015 #145

Is Juan Cole joking? Yorktown Nov 2015 #147

Hitchens? Mnpaul Nov 2015 #148

Hitch was wrong on Iraq and Cole is wrong on Islam Yorktown Nov 2015 #149

I'm guessing that you missed the disclaimer at the top Mnpaul Nov 2015 #150

Republicans are people, too oberliner Nov 2015 #62

Good point! smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #164

the culture is Islam treestar Nov 2015 #56

When everyone should defend both. ileus Nov 2015 #64

Wow, I can't believe this thread. Nonhlanhla Nov 2015 #65

I like pie� MrScorpio Nov 2015 #69

Technically, not pie charts - more like Venn diagrams! bullwinkle428 Nov 2015 #79

I can dig it nt MrScorpio Nov 2015 #152

... SidDithers Nov 2015 #72

Do you really want answers? whatthehey Nov 2015 #76

Many DU Members Bash Right Wing Christians Relentlessly Democat Nov 2015 #80

+1000. whathehell Nov 2015 #82

Again, Bullshit whatthehey Nov 2015 #89

Again, I call bullshit to you.... whathehell Nov 2015 #95

How many examples do you want of this supposedly nonerxistent criticism of non-Xians? whatthehey Nov 2015 #120

As many as you can find whathehell Nov 2015 #159

How many will shut up your lies that it doesn't happen? I'm waiting... whatthehey Nov 2015 #166

enough is enough. Your point was made the first time. There is no rule that says someone has to still_one Nov 2015 #167

Ten days after bragging about all those "examples" you had and you have NOTHING, LOL? whathehell Nov 2015 #172

Did it ever occur to you that's because the religious people doing most of the damage in Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #136

My God! itcfish Nov 2015 #88

That "political group" sure acts likes a religious group... whatthehey Nov 2015 #94

They use religion itcfish Nov 2015 #102

And they kill people over solely religious reasons whatthehey Nov 2015 #121

Every. Word. True. Octafish Nov 2015 #107

I also agree Oilwellian Nov 2015 #118

Our local hospital has a Syrian physician... Octafish Nov 2015 #129

The culture of any conservative strain of religion is incompatible with progressivism. Arkana Nov 2015 #91

Most encouraging post in days here at DU. earthside Nov 2015 #93

To most in here.....Christianity is the only bad religion davidn3600 Nov 2015 #96

Nobody Said itcfish Nov 2015 #97

Almost certainly bullshit. Iggo Nov 2015 #110

Nope. But it gets the most attention here because it does the most damage here. Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #132

They are all equally bad from my own point of view. 6000eliot Nov 2015 #157

They are all equally bad from my own point of view. 6000eliot Nov 2015 #158

Muslims are not uniquely violent: cpwm17 Nov 2015 #98

Islam is a religion. A gun is a specifically designed deadly weapon. Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2015 #101

Religion is not inherently dangerous Rebkeh Nov 2015 #105

Religion IS inherently destructive and oppressive. hifiguy Nov 2015 #116

These books say all kinds of things, Rebkeh Nov 2015 #128

A killing machine and someones belief system are not equal. Rex Nov 2015 #106

what does Bill Maher know about being a liberal? reddread Nov 2015 #108

Exactly so. Maher has devolved into a world-class Islamophobe. Paladin Nov 2015 #125

True, and the hypocrisy stinks so badly hifiguy Nov 2015 #113

Bad Bad start to this article... lame54 Nov 2015 #122

I am so fucking sick of labels. Avalux Nov 2015 #123

I think qwlauren35 Nov 2015 #124

I'm confused. Liberals are bigoted against guns? kcr Nov 2015 #127

I don't hate Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, what have you ... Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #131

People assume that every person from a "Muslim" Nation is Muslim Lorien Nov 2015 #156

+1 loyalsister Nov 2015 #169

Many pseudo-liberals and ignoramuses create false equivalences and KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #170

Islam or the people who are harmed by rampan Islamaphobia in the US? loyalsister Nov 2015 #171