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In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]merrily
(45,251 posts)70. Your bare declaration does not do it anymore than the other poster's.
The constitution sometimes mentions citizens, sometimes people and sometimes simply prohibits the government from doing something. The Constitution always applies to the US government. Sometimes it protects everyone, sometimes only citizens. Depends on the wording of the individual provision. The Framers were sticklers for things like that, much more so than modern courts or lawyers. If they used different words, they meant something different, especially when they switched words right within the same provision.
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Three categories, right in one section. They're not interchangeable. Of course, the 14th was for states.
However, other provisions apply to the US govenrment.
The solution here is in Article I, not in claiming that the Constitution applies only to citizens or those located within the US. Of course, different rules apply in war and those may come into play since we are now in endless war.
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I think we should wait to Saturday to see if this issue is really a problem for voters
yeoman6987
Nov 2015
#55
Let them vote...Obama should follow through with a veto and let them override it
alcibiades_mystery
Nov 2015
#3
I do not agree with Trump or the republicans at all when it comes to demonizing
smirkymonkey
Nov 2015
#36
Sen Feinstien is sponcering a Senate bill as an alternative to the draconian House bill
riversedge
Nov 2015
#8
My personal favorite is "Why can't liberals accept conservative values, policies, and candidates?"
Iggo
Nov 2015
#18
The 14th Amendment doesn't apply to foreign nationals trying to come to the U.S.
SickOfTheOnePct
Nov 2015
#56
Really? Give me your analysis on that, using the plain language of the Constitution or a
merrily
Nov 2015
#57
My thesis that 3 different terms for a human in the same section are not interchangeable is
merrily
Nov 2015
#78
You don't run down a rabbit hole You fall into one. Words have meanings. Person does not have the
merrily
Nov 2015
#80
eye roll. I cannot give you three years of law school on a message board and for free. But here's a
merrily
Nov 2015
#83
I never said I am a trained legal professional. However, I've answered your unsupported claims time
merrily
Nov 2015
#85
Your reading comprehension is no better than your analysis: I never said I wasn't, either.
merrily
Nov 2015
#88
A law that treat Chinese people or black people differently here in the U.S.?
SickOfTheOnePct
Nov 2015
#98
Political cowardice. Democrats should have been out in front of this, and demostrating leadership
Cognitive_Resonance
Nov 2015
#12
"It is very clear the majority of Americans want at the very least pause or review of......."
Tarheel_Dem
Nov 2015
#20
Yet there is far more domestic terrorism from home-grown Christians. What's to be done about it?
randome
Nov 2015
#25
and I agree with you. For me the mark is against the supporters of this pile of bigoted fake concern
Todays_Illusion
Nov 2015
#34
OP, I disagree with you because you and I an everyone can be made to forget this kerfuffel long
Todays_Illusion
Nov 2015
#33
Yep, and I'll stand with you. I'll be damned if I'll give up my integrity for some dumb fucks.
BlueJazz
Nov 2015
#53
agreed 100%, and god forbid if there is an attack or even an attempted attack....
Joe the Revelator
Nov 2015
#58
"Facts do not win elections, perception does." There's a republican mantra if there ever was one.
pampango
Nov 2015
#67
This issue will be forgotten by the electorate in 11.5 months when Election Day arrives.
LonePirate
Nov 2015
#76