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In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]Cosmocat
(15,424 posts)Same sort of dynamics.
Here is the thing, what you are saying is correct in terms of the politics at this moment.
But, it is wrong, flat out. What you are proposing is why democrats are always losing.
While you accurately have pegged the politics at the moment, you are wrong about the impact for voting for allowing this to occur for democrats.
Voting for or supporting this does no good for democrats. Same as voting for the IWR did democrats no good.
It is NOT a political gain to bow down and support it. And, it will only effect the republicans being assholes about it marginally. Even if every democrat were to support it, they still would beat democrats over the head with it.
It is a literal no win situation for democrats, what we face in these situations every time.
The best you can do is the right thing, STATE IT STRONGLY AND DON'T BACK DOWN, and let the chips fall where they fall.
THIS is the trap democrats, being weak, gutless pukeballs, fall into every time.
Rolling over with republicans are flat wrong on something, which makes democrats look weak, and when republicans scream they are weak everyone looks at it and sees it.
Stand for what is right, speak STRONGLY TO IT, and go back at republicans - call them the weak, scared POS they are trying to take advantage of a time of uncertainty for political gain ... Say America is greater than these terrorist scumbags, and we won't react in fear over what they do, they can't change our values and our way of life.
If it turns out bad now, it turns out bad now, and won't be any better if democrats capitulate.
Meanwhile, down the road when it has proven to be wrong, you have staked your position and can point to it.
I can't tell you how many times I have conservatives totally absolve Bush and company from lying us into the Iraq War because democrats voted for it ...