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MellowDem

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9. I generally agree with you...
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 03:27 PM
Nov 2015

but I think some things some liberals say about racism or privilege actually feed into this right wing narrative of white victimization.

For one thing, privilege is much more complicated than just white privilege in the context of the US, but it is often spoke of as a sort of end all be all, which obviously leads to glaring examples of where "white privilege" doesn't have the same meaning.

Another, this idea that blacks "cannot be racist", which I understand comes down to definitions of racism, but under the vast majority of people's understanding of racism, it's a pretty silly idea that drives a lot of them away from liberals IMHO. And again, it's such a localized, simplistic view (can Asians be racist? How about someone who is half black and half white?) that is easily problematized so that it comes across as an excuse rather than a very specific definition of racism often used in academia in a very specific context of time and place.

It's very probable some of your ancestors were subject to slavery, and that most people, of whatever color, have slave holders among their ancestors. The point is that it wasn't as recent, but it's a point that needs to be made because the right will jump all over it.

Basically, a lot of discussions of privilege and race are so provincial that they're easily undermined by the right who want to push their narrative of white victimization.

Really, I see so many people get sidetracked by trying to somehow prove hypothetically how it's IMPOSSIBLE for white people to be victims that the much better and easier argument that white people are victimized much less compared to others in our society is just ignored.

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Racism is [View all] BainsBane Nov 2015 OP
Some like to pile on african american and harass them and bully them and then play the victim bravenak Nov 2015 #1
Yes, I've noticed that BainsBane Nov 2015 #2
Dressing up bigotry in the language Skidmore Nov 2015 #5
It is way worse than from the right. bravenak Nov 2015 #7
Well said. Any person who embraces the language of white victimhood Skidmore Nov 2015 #3
I agree with this OP.Sometimes the obvious has to spelled sufrommich Nov 2015 #4
So well said BB mcar Nov 2015 #6
Racism is racism Prism Nov 2015 #8
The newspeak is casting whites as victims of racism BainsBane Nov 2015 #11
Exactlu. Thank you. bravenak Nov 2015 #12
Boom. Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #18
Word salad avoiding the salient discussion Prism Nov 2015 #28
I inferred precisely the same sentiment from your post. LanternWaste Nov 2015 #13
Meh Prism Nov 2015 #29
Be VERY careful bringing Orwell into this conversation Chitown Kev Nov 2015 #15
That's a, dare I say, Orwellian version of Orwell there Prism Nov 2015 #26
Another excellent post, Prism. /nt pintobean Nov 2015 #16
Great post FLPanhandle Nov 2015 #20
Well said. guillaumeb Nov 2015 #31
I generally agree with you... MellowDem Nov 2015 #9
I had ancestors who were indentured servants BainsBane Nov 2015 #14
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #37
As long as we have 'race', there will be racism ck4829 Nov 2015 #10
Thank you Bobbie Jo Nov 2015 #17
No. For now, racism still means racism. Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2015 #19
I'm not changing the meaning BainsBane Nov 2015 #25
Google does wonders CheRan Nov 2015 #32
Totally disagree. If somebody says or does something to me based on the color of my skin, I call it Waldorf Nov 2015 #21
Words are important for what the signal about society BainsBane Nov 2015 #27
This whole thread is a very informative read. sheshe2 Nov 2015 #22
+1 You are absolutely correct about the informative nature of this jaysunb Nov 2015 #23
Racism IS many things Android3.14 Nov 2015 #24
While many racists in the US talk about racism directed against whites guillaumeb Nov 2015 #30
speaking of racists tertris3240 Nov 2015 #33
Interesing BainsBane Nov 2015 #38
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #34
Rampant... kentuck Nov 2015 #35
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #36
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