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CTyankee

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Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:35 PM Nov 2015

A Woman’s Pleasure: the Grand Odalisque by Jean August Dominique Ingres [View all]

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It has been said that every movie has its own historical moment, to a larger or lesser extent. This dictum can be applied to painting if we delve into the history of how and why an artist chose the “moment” to paint.

How does this idea play into Ingres great nude work, La Grande Odalisque? It seems to be a work of fantasy: a creamy skinned nude, lying on a cushioned divan with her backside to the viewer and turning her head to look at him. It has an indistinct, exotic reference to the Orient (and is, indeed, straight out of the Orientalist style of 19th century French art).

But the historical “moment” for France when Ingres was painting this work was its loss of Egypt after Napoleon’s earlier conquest. That sense of lost hegemony becomes imbued in French perceptions of the East after the defeat, perhaps sublimating unattainable desires in the theme of the harem woman and resulting in its haunting appeal to the French public going forward in time. What emerges in French art is the Oriental nude, bather or harem woman. Ingres’ Odalisque is rendered with hints of the harem -- the peacock fan, the ornamented opium pipe leaning on a narghile where we can see steam escaping, and her exquisite turban.

Ah, that turban! How it bespeaks Ingres devotion to Raphael’s turbaned Madonna della Sedia
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Ingres odalisque’s face is a contrast of the coolness in her eyes and the rest of her face. Try this: cover her eyes and you see that you are looking at a very young woman. Perhaps it is her small mouth and chin, but I found it an amazing experiment. Her mien changes instantly...was she looking at her harem sultan
in a questioning way...or was she trying to determine his mood?

There is an economy of color use here in his blue drapes with red and gold flowers that contrast coldly with the woman’s pale body. I think the artist did this for the effect of that contrast: he wanted his female subject’s sensuality to triumph over all in this picture (and proudly leaves his “signature” on the cushion underneath her bare legs and feet).

With this odalisque, Ingres is clearly on the road from Neoclassicism to the Romantic subgenre of Orientalism. He has his own idea about how to sensualize his subject by even more emphatically elongating her back and pelvis. Her right arm is also extended unnaturally. Her left leg is anatomically odd and her breast seems to emerge from under her arm. Ingres had hoped for a sinuous (and sensuous), almost serpentine, effect. But this distortion of anatomy was what annoyed the Parisians who attended the Salon of 1819 when he exhibited his Bather of Valpincon
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His bathers in The Turkish Baths evoked outrage by the public for its straightforward depiction of two women in a lovely but quite frankly erotic embrace. And perhaps the threatening idea that women could have a place of comfort with other women in a communal space where they were relaxing after their bath, drinking coffee and dancing. The central figure (who we saw in The Bather) is serenading them, accompanied by a black woman holding a large tambourine. One woman grooms another’s hair while holding a small incense ball by a chain.

Ingres used no real models for this work, relying instead on figures used in his previous paintings and his numerous figure studies. His inspiration was from the letters of Lady Mary Wortley Montague, describing her visit to a Turkish bath in the early 18th century (in case you are wondering --and yes, you are-- she was, by all accounts, fully dressed herself). Ingres had copied those notes into his notebook. Note also that it is also the second appearance of the Bather of Valpincon.

The Turkish Bath was deemed so controversial it was only exhibited publicly in 1905 after the artist’s death. Pablo Picasso was in attendance. It is thought that this painting inspired Picasso’s early masterpiece, Les Demoiselles d’Avignon (1907) now in the Museum of Modern Art in New York City.

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Beautiful trumad Nov 2015 #1
thanks. it's a bit odd but I like it's satiny "look"... CTyankee Nov 2015 #4
Fascinating post, as always, my dear CTyankee! CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2015 #2
thanks. I think it is quite timely, too as we see events unfolding in the ME and CTyankee Nov 2015 #5
Beautiful and informative, as usual - thank you! djean111 Nov 2015 #3
Funny, about the last thing I think of when I see that painting Warpy Nov 2015 #6
Frankly, I find the title sarcastic in tone and meaning...I sawit somewhere and thought CTyankee Nov 2015 #7
Sarcasm makes sense but so does Warpy Nov 2015 #9
I think you are right about the temptation to read too much into paintings... CTyankee Nov 2015 #10
I also wanted to include exactly what you said about the skin color of the nude... CTyankee Nov 2015 #19
fantasique! flamingdem Nov 2015 #8
Thanks edhopper Nov 2015 #11
that is so good coming from you, ed... CTyankee Nov 2015 #13
It really is an explosive change from Ingress to Picasso edhopper Nov 2015 #15
well, also Picasso loved doing his own cubistic takes on so many other artists' famous CTyankee Nov 2015 #25
Great post! Generic Other Nov 2015 #12
I think it was those extra vertebrae that annoyed folks so much... CTyankee Nov 2015 #14
K & R femmocrat Nov 2015 #16
I always preferred this one. kwassa Nov 2015 #17
Hi CTYankee, we're glad you're back! Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2015 #18
I didn't see that! I'm so glad you shared it with me... CTyankee Nov 2015 #20
To me, it sems the beginning of the butt and breast pose KitSileya Nov 2015 #21
a very good point. When I was doing research for my essay on Delacroix's Women of CTyankee Nov 2015 #23
Minor nit-picking for educational purposes ;) kentauros Nov 2015 #22
here is a better close up of the instrument in the painting CTyankee Nov 2015 #24
I can see how it can be mistaken for a tambourine. kentauros Nov 2015 #39
it doesn't seem to be on a frame here. unless you mean just the rim of the instrument CTyankee Nov 2015 #41
Yes, it's on a frame. kentauros Nov 2015 #43
oh yes, the rim. i was totally thinking something else CTyankee Nov 2015 #45
Yes, that's also the frame. kentauros Nov 2015 #46
I know nothing about that musical instrument. So I'm glad this came up in the discussion CTyankee Nov 2015 #47
i absolutely love that Remo video. What a thrilling sound... CTyankee Nov 2015 #28
It is, indeed! kentauros Nov 2015 #36
She is great - never heard a tambourine played that way, loved it. JudyM Apr 2017 #48
Ingres' depiction of feet seems a little odd. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #26
her right arm is strange, too. and that left leg... CTyankee Nov 2015 #27
If I wanted to suggest a common theme, the term sinuous would come to mind. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #30
ouch, that's a painful thought... CTyankee Nov 2015 #32
As always, thank you K&R etherealtruth Nov 2015 #29
thanks so much...I want the Saturday DU folks to see the painting and hopefully contribute CTyankee Nov 2015 #31
V. interesting connections ananda Nov 2015 #33
About disegno it was the overarching principle of the Renaissance in Florence, following CTyankee Nov 2015 #34
question ananda Nov 2015 #35
Oh, you mean disegno in terms of having it sketched out beforehand...now I get your context. CTyankee Nov 2015 #38
Thanks CT--did you hear about this Verona art theft? panader0 Nov 2015 #37
no I didn't, thanks for showing me this...that is awful...but luckily, if it follows most CTyankee Nov 2015 #40
I was taught that The Odalisque was a scandal because of the annabanana Nov 2015 #42
here's a fun explanation for you from Wikipedia... CTyankee Nov 2015 #44
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