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Marr

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87. I don't understand your question. I was referring to opinion polling that has shown
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 12:27 PM
Nov 2015

strong majority support in the Muslim community for statements like, 'the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists deserved to be prosecuted for drawing cartoons of Muhammad', 'it should be illegal to criticize Islam', and in many places even 'suicide bombing is often a legitimate tactic'.

Fundamentalist views are mainstream views in the Muslim world. Keith Ellison is an outlier here, not the representation of the 'real Islam'. Claiming otherwise is just telling yourself a feel-good story that isn't true.

I don't understand why people insist that these moderate types of people, regardless of religion, who (very sanely) ignore whole swaths of their religious texts, dismissing them as metaphor or allegory or just plain, outdated garbage, are somehow more legitimately pious than people who live their entire lives according to the dictates of their holy book. It's absolutely backward.

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Daesh it is. "Evil Bag of Dicks" works too. Throd Nov 2015 #1
DOUCHE is more like it. forest444 Nov 2015 #55
Heh. NaturalHigh Nov 2015 #75
First time I've read this. NaturalHigh Nov 2015 #2
Not Islamic my ass. Codeine Nov 2015 #3
So am I. And liberals, of all people. Marr Nov 2015 #43
Tell that to Muhammad Ali or Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #54
Does anyone belong who is not Islamic? No. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #61
Screaming leftynyc Nov 2015 #77
look at the video in post 52. treestar Nov 2015 #92
I love Keith but I disagree with half of that. trotsky Nov 2015 #4
They are definitely different enough from Islam that they can be considered to be something else. nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #6
According to who? Not Pew polls. Not the Quran. Not the Hadith. /nt Marr Nov 2015 #44
Do you really believe that we can determine the meaning jwirr Nov 2015 #83
I don't understand your question. I was referring to opinion polling that has shown Marr Nov 2015 #87
Different in that they recite the exact same prayers Codeine Nov 2015 #51
And from there just a hop, skip and a jump to assuming refugees are dangerous cuz randys1 Nov 2015 #76
You can't ignore reality because someone else might use it for ill. Marr Nov 2015 #94
Total non-sequitur. nt Codeine Nov 2015 #96
So your unfounded fear of refugees has no negative consequences? randys1 Nov 2015 #97
The fuck? I have zero problems with refugees. Codeine Nov 2015 #99
Dah-ESH, I think. KamaAina Nov 2015 #7
President Obama used it in Turkey brucefan Nov 2015 #18
NOOOOOOO!!!!!! KamaAina Nov 2015 #26
Pronounced Dah-sh (video - includes what it means) spedtr90 Nov 2015 #52
very helpful thanks treestar Nov 2015 #90
Keith is right its Daesh Rotegard Nov 2015 #64
Exactly. treestar Nov 2015 #91
Religion is something that is self-identified. backscatter712 Nov 2015 #72
The point IMO is that they do not have an "Islamic State" treestar Nov 2015 #89
Saying Daesh is Islamic, saying they have a state, saying the Muslims they kill are the apostates... ck4829 Nov 2015 #5
They're Islamic. Extreme radical Islam. I'm tired of this denial shit. TwilightGardener Nov 2015 #8
So, you won't call them daesh? ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #12
I think too much is made of "oh, they hate Daesh so let's call them that"-- TwilightGardener Nov 2015 #15
But using Islamic paints the refugees in the same light. jwirr Nov 2015 #85
From this point forward i will only refer to them as Daesh philosslayer Nov 2015 #29
I trust you won't be complaining about the Westboro Baptist Church in the future... brooklynite Nov 2015 #100
I just think it's as leftynyc Nov 2015 #78
They care what we call them. So, I will call them what that hate to be called: Daesh. nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #79
Because they'll know leftynyc Nov 2015 #80
They are to Islam what the KKK is to Christianity. pnwmom Nov 2015 #35
No, I think the comparison with Westboro to Christians below is pretty apt, actually. TwilightGardener Nov 2015 #38
We should. Lordquinton Nov 2015 #60
I agree 100%, it's not radical Presbyterians murdering people. I quess that is Obama's doc03 Nov 2015 #39
There is not a religion on earth that has not been used by jwirr Nov 2015 #84
It is not denying they are Islamic treestar Nov 2015 #88
Yes, they are Islamic! It's ridiculous to keep saying they aren't! TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2015 #9
So, you disagree with Ellison. Got it. I will still call them "Daesh". I don't see why... ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #10
Daesh is a perfectly good name to me TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2015 #21
When you start calling the KKK "Radical Christians" pnwmom Nov 2015 #36
I think they're probably mostly Christians TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2015 #40
Explain something to me then Brigadier Pudding Nov 2015 #53
For one thing, Muhammad isn't leading them. ColesCountyDem Nov 2015 #71
Oh gawd. People are so silly. closeupready Nov 2015 #11
Ellison is silly, or I'm silly for agreeing with him? Or both? nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #14
Both. closeupready Nov 2015 #19
"Daesh" it is! I guess I'm just silly that way... ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #20
Yes they are - they do not seem to realize that using the jwirr Nov 2015 #86
How is "Daesh" pronounced?. . . Journeyman Nov 2015 #13
Ellison pronounced it "Day-sh". nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #16
And the Christian geniuses here who know what Islam is and what it isn't, closeupready Nov 2015 #17
No true Scotsman, huh? TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2015 #25
I'm certain they will afford you all the attention your actions indeed warrant LanternWaste Nov 2015 #22
Yea, Ellison is sticking his tongue out at them. Thanks for playing. nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #24
Does Keith say the same about KSA? How about Brunei? Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #23
What does "Daesh" mean? It's new to me. arcane1 Nov 2015 #27
Perhaps you'll find an answer here: (My apologies, my leisure time on DU has run out for the day)... ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #28
they hate the name . . . .that's reason enough for me mishi48.59 Nov 2015 #32
Besides ISIS is the spy agency from Archer geardaddy Nov 2015 #30
WAS the spy agency Liberalagogo Nov 2015 #56
Oops, yeah, I forgot. geardaddy Nov 2015 #58
That reminds me of this unfortunately named product: cpwm17 Nov 2015 #73
I dislike the goddess getting mixed up with it too! treestar Nov 2015 #93
+1 geardaddy Nov 2015 #102
"ISIL is not Islamic. No religion condones the killing of innocents." - Barack Obama mwrguy Nov 2015 #31
+ 1000 n/t MBS Nov 2015 #42
However, they do condone the killing of Apostates. maxsolomon Nov 2015 #62
The first time I saw that term used Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #33
"You probably will not, as you've already been asked several times and have failed to do so." FSogol Nov 2015 #34
What's in a name? A whole lot these days muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #37
Completely agree, assuming bad faith about the people here in general is crappy. n/t FSogol Nov 2015 #57
I agree, muriel. Silliness. LuvNewcastle Nov 2015 #70
The extra cool thing about this is that Cong. Ellison is himself Muslim MBS Nov 2015 #41
He's my rep and I'm glad he is. geardaddy Nov 2015 #45
great to get confirmation from an insider! : ) n/t MBS Nov 2015 #50
Technically it's (DFL-MN) geardaddy Nov 2015 #46
Yeah, that'll um... show 'em. Marr Nov 2015 #47
Never let it be said we aren't willing to sacrifice. nt Codeine Nov 2015 #63
ISIS is what it is. CJCRANE Nov 2015 #48
Daesh would be better than ISIS. WDIM Nov 2015 #49
Daesh means Islamic State in Arabic oberliner Nov 2015 #59
Also a pun in Arabic Rotegard Nov 2015 #68
They most certainly are Islamic SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #65
Well, alrighty then! Rep. Ellison and myself are sufficiently, most certainly admonished! nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #66
If you choose to feel that I've admonished you SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #69
Satan, The Devil, Lucifer, Old Scratch, Old Nick... moondust Nov 2015 #67
Kick NaturalHigh Nov 2015 #74
and, it's pronpounced "dye-esh"..not DASH SoCalDem Nov 2015 #81
Do you say "Paree" or "Paris"? Codeine Nov 2015 #95
To be fair, the Arabic letters for the Daesh acronym have a letter that has no English equivalent. backscatter712 Nov 2015 #101
Thank you. I have been sending donations to Keith even jwirr Nov 2015 #82
Disagree... brooklynite Nov 2015 #98
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