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CTyankee

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34. About disegno it was the overarching principle of the Renaissance in Florence, following
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 01:46 PM
Nov 2015

what was laid down by Brunelleschi and others and concerned linear perspective and the vanishing point. The opposite pole is colore or colorito, which was the Venetian ideal with such artists as Titian. My understanding is that drawing is first in the disegno dictum. Everything must be balanced and in order. Emphasis in the Veneto on the color aspect might be because the light in Venice playing on all of the surrounding water made a real difference in how artists saw things. I don't get the application of disegno to this work because linear perspective is not stressed nor do we imagine this work to be laid out on a grid the way some early Florentine Renaissance art was. I see his work as one of a transition to Orientalism of the early 19th century. See the artist Gerome for a full dose of this style!

I went round and round on the narghile thing myself. A censer probably is the same thing, but I was trying to distinguish the part of the overall pipe construct was where the incense was burned and the pipe attached for someone to draw the smoke into their bodies. In this painting the pipe was attached to burner, as I interpret it. I have never seen one IRL so I can't say for sure. But I figured out that the pipe was indeed connected to that thing that has steam coming out of it, whatever it might be termed.

You see a woman holding a censer ball on a chain in Turkish Bath (in the middle of the painting while she arranges another woman's hair), much like a smaller censer of the type used by the Catholic Church during Mass.

I don't see anything resembling a zither myself. You can try Googling "details from Grand Odalisque" as they have some closeups you can't make out in the larger picture.

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Beautiful trumad Nov 2015 #1
thanks. it's a bit odd but I like it's satiny "look"... CTyankee Nov 2015 #4
Fascinating post, as always, my dear CTyankee! CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2015 #2
thanks. I think it is quite timely, too as we see events unfolding in the ME and CTyankee Nov 2015 #5
Beautiful and informative, as usual - thank you! djean111 Nov 2015 #3
Funny, about the last thing I think of when I see that painting Warpy Nov 2015 #6
Frankly, I find the title sarcastic in tone and meaning...I sawit somewhere and thought CTyankee Nov 2015 #7
Sarcasm makes sense but so does Warpy Nov 2015 #9
I think you are right about the temptation to read too much into paintings... CTyankee Nov 2015 #10
I also wanted to include exactly what you said about the skin color of the nude... CTyankee Nov 2015 #19
fantasique! flamingdem Nov 2015 #8
Thanks edhopper Nov 2015 #11
that is so good coming from you, ed... CTyankee Nov 2015 #13
It really is an explosive change from Ingress to Picasso edhopper Nov 2015 #15
well, also Picasso loved doing his own cubistic takes on so many other artists' famous CTyankee Nov 2015 #25
Great post! Generic Other Nov 2015 #12
I think it was those extra vertebrae that annoyed folks so much... CTyankee Nov 2015 #14
K & R femmocrat Nov 2015 #16
I always preferred this one. kwassa Nov 2015 #17
Hi CTYankee, we're glad you're back! Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2015 #18
I didn't see that! I'm so glad you shared it with me... CTyankee Nov 2015 #20
To me, it sems the beginning of the butt and breast pose KitSileya Nov 2015 #21
a very good point. When I was doing research for my essay on Delacroix's Women of CTyankee Nov 2015 #23
Minor nit-picking for educational purposes ;) kentauros Nov 2015 #22
here is a better close up of the instrument in the painting CTyankee Nov 2015 #24
I can see how it can be mistaken for a tambourine. kentauros Nov 2015 #39
it doesn't seem to be on a frame here. unless you mean just the rim of the instrument CTyankee Nov 2015 #41
Yes, it's on a frame. kentauros Nov 2015 #43
oh yes, the rim. i was totally thinking something else CTyankee Nov 2015 #45
Yes, that's also the frame. kentauros Nov 2015 #46
I know nothing about that musical instrument. So I'm glad this came up in the discussion CTyankee Nov 2015 #47
i absolutely love that Remo video. What a thrilling sound... CTyankee Nov 2015 #28
It is, indeed! kentauros Nov 2015 #36
She is great - never heard a tambourine played that way, loved it. JudyM Apr 2017 #48
Ingres' depiction of feet seems a little odd. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #26
her right arm is strange, too. and that left leg... CTyankee Nov 2015 #27
If I wanted to suggest a common theme, the term sinuous would come to mind. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #30
ouch, that's a painful thought... CTyankee Nov 2015 #32
As always, thank you K&R etherealtruth Nov 2015 #29
thanks so much...I want the Saturday DU folks to see the painting and hopefully contribute CTyankee Nov 2015 #31
V. interesting connections ananda Nov 2015 #33
About disegno it was the overarching principle of the Renaissance in Florence, following CTyankee Nov 2015 #34
question ananda Nov 2015 #35
Oh, you mean disegno in terms of having it sketched out beforehand...now I get your context. CTyankee Nov 2015 #38
Thanks CT--did you hear about this Verona art theft? panader0 Nov 2015 #37
no I didn't, thanks for showing me this...that is awful...but luckily, if it follows most CTyankee Nov 2015 #40
I was taught that The Odalisque was a scandal because of the annabanana Nov 2015 #42
here's a fun explanation for you from Wikipedia... CTyankee Nov 2015 #44
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