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Bernardo de La Paz

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35. Decline/Rise: Date-pinning misses the boat and the event 52 years ago is not the point.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 11:28 AM
Nov 2015

First, date-pinning is a less than useless exercise, wasteful like arguing over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

It is an example of a seductive but misguided pattern of thought: binary thinking. The kind of thinking that sees things as Before & After, black & white, Yay or Nay, right or wrong, Left or Right, In or Out, Blue or Red, Us or Them, bad or good, Republican or Democrat, hawk or dove. It is very closely related to pigeonholing: capitalist / socialist / communist / liberal / libertarian / conservative / fascist / pacifist.

It is too easy to slip into a mode of thinking that there is a point in time where suddenly everything changed (even if people are not consciously aware of it). Assassinations, wars, inventions, arrivals, deaths, etc.

"We stopped trusting our government". Who is this we? Trust suddenly stopped and completely disappeared?

The truth is that some people have gradual changes of sentiment and some people have 'epiphanies' and sudden enlightenments / onsets of wrong-headedness.

Another truth is that these changes occur in small numbers and then larger numbers and do not occur all at once.

A further truth is that large portions of the American populace still trust the government.

Yet more truth is that most people trust some portions of "The Government" more than other portions. For example many trust the FDA and EPA and FBI more than they trust the NSA, CIA, Defense Department, or Congress.

Distrust of the US government began before it was formed. Trust in the government has always existed and will always exist. Both statements are true and compatible.

Anarchists distrusted the government when they bombed Wall Street one hundred years ago.
Women suffragettes distrusted the government while they were getting the vote one hundred years ago.
Filmmakers distrusted the government while the blacklist and McCarthyism were rampant in the 1950s.
Many people trusted the government after the Kennedy assassination until the Watergate crisis a decade later.
Many people trusted the government until the Iran-Contra affair of Reagan's regime.
... etc ...


Secondly, there are many many measures that indicate a rise in the project known as the People of the United States of America.

* Civil rights for women, visible minorities including racial minorities, and invisible minorities including ethnic and sexual orientation minorities.
* Access for differently abled people.
* Better health
* Access to abortion and birth control
* Access to information
* Greater freedom of expression in the arts and music and on the streets
* Great telecommunications and travel uniting people and families

I could go on, but of course it does not deny that there are many aspects of modern American life that are measures of decline, including some that you enumerate.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Steven the Somnolent Nov 2015 OP
Tell an African American we've "declined" since 1963 (nt) Recursion Nov 2015 #1
Of all the responses to this post, that was not on my list. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #2
OK, but when people talk about white progressive myopia, that was an example Recursion Nov 2015 #3
Life got worse, for some, a bit better. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #15
So better to maintain a system of Jim Crow BainsBane Nov 2015 #42
:thumbsup: Orrex Nov 2015 #48
Maybe you should re-read the OP, then. cprise Nov 2015 #49
I will also guess besides too white that he is not gay or trangendered and no it is not just about lunasun Nov 2015 #53
The point is, he didn't make it just about economic equality. n/t cprise Nov 2015 #60
true, but DonCoquixote Nov 2015 #62
Been to a USA inner city, lately? brentspeak Nov 2015 #65
Other than having lived in one for a couple of decades? Recursion Nov 2015 #66
Who said anything about where the majority of African Americans live? brentspeak Nov 2015 #67
Welcome to DU. As an old timer, I can understand your post. Paper Roses Nov 2015 #24
Thank You x Infinity Steven the Somnolent Nov 2015 #63
Good response. zeemike Nov 2015 #32
It was a sad attempt at distraction from the OPs point. Rex Nov 2015 #55
I'll say this heaven05 Nov 2015 #10
Well Of Course Not imthevicar Nov 2015 #17
We did that a lot more back then. Recursion Nov 2015 #18
Oh Really, Then Nothing has improved. imthevicar Nov 2015 #19
In 1963 the unemloyment rate sulphurdunn Nov 2015 #37
And LGBT people and their families. nt pnwmom Nov 2015 #51
I am Carolina Nov 2015 #58
'Decline' was inevitable and overdue. Yorktown Nov 2015 #4
Why in the good ol' days everything was White and "those people" were kept in their places 951-Riverside Nov 2015 #5
I was only 11 on that day. DFW Nov 2015 #6
I was 11 months... Thor_MN Nov 2015 #30
They thought JFK would be their Boy. PeoViejo Nov 2015 #7
JFK wouldn't go along with the concept of perpetual war. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #29
well heaven05 Nov 2015 #8
If what's happened since '63 is decline, please give me more decline! Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2015 #9
right heaven05 Nov 2015 #11
I'm getting married in 3 months dbackjon Nov 2015 #14
Congratulations, sincerely heaven05 Nov 2015 #46
Inequality worse People Paid less erpowers Nov 2015 #21
When the tides continue to rise will you still think the same? CrispyQ Nov 2015 #28
Thanks 1norcal Nov 2015 #12
And our revolution Demeter Nov 2015 #13
the real problem started in 87 when reagan killed the fairness doctrine certainot Nov 2015 #16
That is a fact. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #31
Johnson didn't have to be sold on Vietnam. milestogo Nov 2015 #20
"The self-indulgence of the 70s and 80s." doesn't belong in your list. PufPuf23 Nov 2015 #22
Self-indulgence has been an increasing trend cprise Nov 2015 #50
I agree with you 100%. PufPuf23 Nov 2015 #52
I will always remember that date November 22, 1963 and John F. Kennedy. I don't sinkingfeeling Nov 2015 #23
It began this very day Gman Nov 2015 #25
K&R 2naSalit Nov 2015 #26
K&R Punkingal Nov 2015 #27
We had hope, Kennedy started people thinking that things would get better LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #33
Yes, I agree. nruthie Nov 2015 #34
Decline/Rise: Date-pinning misses the boat and the event 52 years ago is not the point. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2015 #35
please do go on heaven05 Nov 2015 #47
civil rights in 63? access of any kind to abortion in 63? and as for bith control lunasun Nov 2015 #57
Wow! Just wow. longship Nov 2015 #36
It began before that. enough Nov 2015 #38
New JFK/CIA assasination books/info 90-percent Nov 2015 #39
JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters IDemo Nov 2015 #61
I wasn't around then Hydra Nov 2015 #40
It's gotten to where I'm pleasantly surprised when progressive things like marriage equality happen Gidney N Cloyd Nov 2015 #41
Oh for pity sake. Skidmore Nov 2015 #43
My nostalgia for the fifties 90-percent Nov 2015 #69
The Vietnam War alienated a generation eager to ask what they could do for their country. Martin Eden Nov 2015 #44
I don't think so Spider Jerusalem Nov 2015 #45
IMO the most subtle and yet pernicious influence ... lpbk2713 Nov 2015 #54
I am curious, when was America at it's peek? Post WW II? Rex Nov 2015 #56
This shit is so tired MFrohike Nov 2015 #59
I am sorry, but what is your point? nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #64
I guess I wasn't clear MFrohike Nov 2015 #68
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #70
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