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Octafish

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11. You may enjoy David Talbot's new history, ''The Devil's Chessboard''
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 05:31 PM
Nov 2015

Rupert Murdoch and friends in Corporate McPravda are ignoring what it means for how the Inited Stste has become a safe zone for traitors, warmongers, and plutocrats.





“Every president has been manipulated by national security officials”: David Talbot exposes America’s “deep state”

From World War II though JFK, "The Devil's Chessboard" explores how Allen Dulles used the CIA as a tool of elites

LIAM O'DONOGHUE
Salon.com, Oct. 15, 2015

This year’s best spy thriller isn’t fiction – it’s history. David Talbot’s previous book, the bestseller “Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years” explored Robert F. Kennedy’s search for the truth following his brother’s murder. His new work, “The Devil’s Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America’s Secret Government,” zooms out from JFK’s murder to investigate the rise of the shadowy network that Talbot holds ultimately responsible for the president’s assassination.

This isn’t merely a whodunit story, though. Talbot’s ultimate goal is exploring how the rise of the “deep state” has impacted the trajectory of America, and given our nation’s vast influence, the rest of the planet. “To thoroughly and honestly analyze (former CIA director) Allen Dulles’s legacy is to analyze the current state of national security in America and how it undermines democracy,” Talbot told Salon. “To really grapple with what is in my book is not just to grapple with history. It is to grapple with our current problems.”

Just as America’s current national security apparatus has used terrorism as a justification for spying on American citizens, torture, and the annihilation of innocent civilians as collateral damage, Talbot places these justifications in a Cold War context, by showing how spymaster Allen Dulles shrugged off countless atrocities using the threat of communism. For readers unfamiliar with Dulles’ history, the first few chapters are like being splashed in the face with a bucket of ice water. Talbot’s assertion that Dulles is a psychopath is hard to dismiss after the intelligence agent is shown covering up the Holocaust prior to America’s intervention into World War II by keeping crucial information exposing the horrors of concentration camps from reaching President Roosevelt. Allen Dulles and his fellow Cold Warriors saw Russia, a U.S. ally during World War II – not Nazi Germany – as the real enemy.

Jumping from geopolitical strategy to the psychological realm, Talbot details how it was not only enemies who had reason to fear Dulles, but his own friends and family, as well. The book veers into a dark, terrifying investigation of the MKUltra Project, a hideous “mind control program” developed by the CIA during Dulles’ reign as director, that dosed unsuspecting people with LSD, pushed the limits of sleep deprivation and engaged in other deeply unethical experiments. The program has been exposed, bit by bit, over decades, thanks to lawsuits and previous investigative reporting, but Talbot sheds light on how Dulles subjected his own son and attempted to “enroll” his wife in these hideous “therapies.”

By the time “The Devil’s Chessboard” eventually climaxes with the events that unfolded in Dallas in 1963, Talbot’s argument that Dulles had both the power and temperament to execute such a plot is more than believable. “Dulles’ favorite word about someone was whether they were useful or not,” Talbot said. “And that’s the way he thought of everyone – to what extent could he use them.”

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It's connecting the dots the CIA Controlled & Corporate Owned News will never mention, even if their secret Swiss bank accounts depended on it.

Sorry for the incompleteness of reply - I am away from my computer and files.
So sad, 52 years later Politicalboi Nov 2015 #1
Secret Service got ordered OFF the bumper at Love Field. Octafish Nov 2015 #4
Don't turn a nice post into some CT shit. Just keep it like it was. I knew you started it for this. Logical Nov 2015 #13
Nothing says 'Democracy' like 'Shutup.' Octafish Nov 2015 #15
Oswald did it. Give up the make believe. nt Logical Nov 2015 #16
So, when you can't show where I'm wrong, you smear me. Nice. Octafish Nov 2015 #21
LOL "umbrella man"!!!! Logical Nov 2015 #24
The video taken minutes before the assassination shows the agents ordered OFF the bumper. Octafish Nov 2015 #47
Somebody should, indeed, give up the make-believe. nt villager Nov 2015 #25
If logical questions unanswered all these years bother you, change your name MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #78
Horseshit he did. He was a patsy. A dupe. A throw-away. trof Nov 2015 #89
That Oswald was a low-level CIA asset is NOT hifiguy Nov 2015 #97
What if it's true though? PatrickforO Nov 2015 #27
You fooled me!! :-) Logical Nov 2015 #28
We have lots of know-it-alls today Waiting For Everyman Nov 2015 #2
JFK was a Democrat of the New Deal. Octafish Nov 2015 #8
To be a Kennedy Democrat is high praise. Waiting For Everyman Nov 2015 #10
You may enjoy David Talbot's new history, ''The Devil's Chessboard'' Octafish Nov 2015 #11
I read the excerpt of this book on Salon ellie Nov 2015 #14
Thank you, Ellie. I heard him speak in 2013... Octafish Nov 2015 #17
I will definitely ellie Nov 2015 #23
It is essential reading. hifiguy Nov 2015 #59
I caught a little bit of a program today that was running clips of the actual coverage from dflprincess Nov 2015 #34
What I find extremely curious Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #72
Nixon was an asshole, Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #74
What I find bizarre Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #75
It was the 60s, a volatile time. Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #76
Yeah, it was a volatile time Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #77
You did not address my other point. Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #80
Why would Nixon have MLK and Malcolm X bumped off? Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #81
You're proving my point. Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #83
How am I proving your point? Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #84
There were at least five political assassinations in the 1960s. Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #85
One more thing Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #82
What a beautiful song! n/t BuelahWitch Nov 2015 #57
Thanks, Octafish! JFK and his story are really more complicated than his admirers or detractors.... LongTomH Nov 2015 #3
Great nations build great civilizations. Empires make wars for profit. Octafish Nov 2015 #30
A big, fat K&R! CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2015 #5
Thank you, CaliforniaPeggy! Did you read what Prescott Bush wrote to Clover Dulles? Octafish Nov 2015 #31
Thank you, my dear octafish--I had not read this. Pretty interesting stuff! CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2015 #35
Phil Shenon on Coast To Coast last night claims Poppy had no connection to the assassination librechik Nov 2015 #49
Prescott Bush was the CIA's bagman in the Senate. hifiguy Nov 2015 #60
Guy is working to divert discussion of conspiracy involving secret US agencies. Octafish Nov 2015 #69
thank you, Octafish librechik Nov 2015 #86
People still love JFK and project their hopes on him decades later. In truth he was moderate. craigmatic Nov 2015 #6
hoo boy. ucrdem Nov 2015 #7
Ok name one initiative he got put in place to help the poor in this country? craigmatic Nov 2015 #12
The Cuban Missile Crisis. H2O Man Nov 2015 #19
Plus Peace Corps, space program, nuclear test ban treaty, and the Economic Opportunity Act of 1964 ucrdem Nov 2015 #32
Recording of JFK telling Sargent Shriver not to let CIA infiltrate the Peace Corps [audio] MinM Nov 2015 #56
MinM! ucrdem Nov 2015 #68
The truth about how close we came to annihilating each other wasn't known for 30 years. Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #52
New Frontier legislation: ucrdem Nov 2015 #29
Universal Health Care. Octafish Nov 2015 #55
President John F. Kennedy's Civil Rights Address ucrdem Nov 2015 #67
Transcript link and highlights: ucrdem Nov 2015 #90
Turns out he's proposing the Civil Rights Act of 1964: ucrdem Nov 2015 #91
Even after so many years, Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #9
I was six, Blue_In_AK. Octafish Nov 2015 #53
Recommended. H2O Man Nov 2015 #18
And all were men of the Left, to varying degrees. hifiguy Nov 2015 #61
I was 11 years old and they stopped school to tell us what happened. JEB Nov 2015 #20
Economically, JEB, much different, based on the suppressed record. Octafish Nov 2015 #96
Thank you, Octafish JEB Nov 2015 #100
never. held. to. account. nashville_brook Nov 2015 #22
Interview with blacklisted comedian, Mort Sahl, 1968 quotes and warnings after JFK's death. Octafish Nov 2015 #98
Gerald Posner said it right. longship Nov 2015 #26
That's what the House Select Committee apparently concluded. ucrdem Nov 2015 #33
Well, all the forensics say one shooter. longship Nov 2015 #39
Depends on who you ask I suppose. ucrdem Nov 2015 #40
Produce forensic evidence that says there was another shooter, then. longship Nov 2015 #41
The doctors at Parkland have repeatedly said hifiguy Nov 2015 #62
Absolute Rubbish longship Nov 2015 #64
There Are No Forensics Supporting One Gun ProfessorGAC Nov 2015 #43
Do you mean other than the spent bullets retrieved? longship Nov 2015 #44
Yes, I Mean Those ProfessorGAC Nov 2015 #45
Two. They found two, as far as I can remember. longship Nov 2015 #46
Posner the plagiarist? n/t deutsey Nov 2015 #51
Plagiarist Posner MinM Nov 2015 #54
Knew you would have something interesting today! Thank you, Sir! Mnemosyne Nov 2015 #36
JFK selected Abraham Bolden to integrate White House Secret Service detail. Octafish Nov 2015 #101
the 1880s weren't feudal! MisterP Nov 2015 #37
DURec leftstreet Nov 2015 #38
Oliver Stone: JFK conspiracy deniers are in denial Octafish Nov 2015 #104
Kicking... CanSocDem Nov 2015 #42
CIA Dulles hired MAFIA to kill Castro in 1960, yet US media continue to misreport it as JFK's idea. Octafish Nov 2015 #106
When they release all the government documents about the assassination Generic Other Nov 2015 #48
''All of them together will observe the law of silence...They don't want to know.'' Octafish Nov 2015 #107
Thanks, as always deutsey Nov 2015 #50
The New York Daily News of Nov. 23, 1963 Octafish Nov 2015 #88
Except for 'advisors' in South Vietnam and that Bay of Pigs thing.... Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #58
The Bay of Pigs was a CIA/Mafia operation hifiguy Nov 2015 #63
Thanks for the clarification. Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #66
Regarding Vietnam: JFK ordered withdrawal. LBJ reversed it. Octafish Nov 2015 #70
Regarding Bay of Pigs: Dulles and CIA did not tell JFK security mission was compromised. Octafish Nov 2015 #71
"This little light of mine..." kick and recommend n/t bobthedrummer Nov 2015 #65
JFK personally selected Abraham Bolden to integrate WH Secret Service detail. Octafish Nov 2015 #73
No, television didn't bring it up... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #79
Bertrand Russell asked that central question in 1964. Octafish Nov 2015 #87
Recced. Thanks for the o.p. info, and for making a space for the info provided by other good Mc Mike Nov 2015 #92
JFK's death changed government policy in matters of war and peace. Octafish Nov 2015 #95
That was a radically big policy reversal, within a few days of 11/22. Mc Mike Nov 2015 #110
President Carter did too. craigmatic Nov 2015 #93
BFEE Safari Club did unto President James Earl "Jimmy" Carter bad things. Octafish Nov 2015 #94
Stephanie's 2-22-2006 UAE and BCCI thread reposted for those that love the truth bobthedrummer Nov 2015 #99
We've learned a lot about money and power since BCCI... Octafish Nov 2015 #108
Who could imagine "our" goverment would actively seek to move jobs overseas. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #102
Lt. Cmdr. Terri Pike, USN, was relieved of duty for doing her duty re JFK assassination records. Octafish Nov 2015 #109
Wow! Thanks, Octafish. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #111
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #103
Needs another kick!! (eom) CanSocDem Nov 2015 #105
Listen in on LBJ and Hoover talk about Oswald and ''Rubenstein'' Octafish Dec 2015 #112
I'm reading the book now, and it's a real American horror show nikto Jan 2016 #113
Money trumps peace. So does power. Octafish Jan 2016 #114
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