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H2O Man

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81. Factually incorrect.

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 12:16 PM

Nov 2015

"Camelot" was the description that Jackie began using after JFK's death. There are zero references to "Camelot" before his death.

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Why this lionization of JFK? [View all] Archae Nov 2015 OP

I was a little kid, my mom was crying and I didn't know why. hunter Nov 2015 #1

I was in an all girls Catholic school 4th grade class. Awknid Nov 2015 #9

Am I skeptical about the U.S.A. political machine? hunter Nov 2015 #49

JFK was a leader. Not a hired manager for the interests that put him in office. pa28 Nov 2015 #2

Was he really? Archae Nov 2015 #14

JFK: "splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds," pa28 Nov 2015 #18

JFK's assasination brought a Democratic wave into Congress EndElectoral Nov 2015 #29

I don't have sources ready at hand, but most professional historians argue that JFK KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #66

And I have seen accounts that claim he had made the decision to withdraw dflprincess Nov 2015 #141

JFK mistrusted both the CIA and the generals he inherited from Eisenhower. Boomerproud Nov 2015 #134

Who's next to be thrown from the train? Scootaloo Nov 2015 #3

Its like the Chinese cultural revolution. Jesus Malverde Nov 2015 #40

FDR has gone under the wheels, hifiguy Nov 2015 #89

That's what I was thinking Scootaloo Nov 2015 #92

I've been here for ten years. hifiguy Nov 2015 #95

Think about who benefits - TBF Nov 2015 #118

That was my first question hifiguy Nov 2015 #121

+10 million!!!! Nt riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #152

You actually have to GP6971 Nov 2015 #4

And the Bay of Pigs Operation was okayed by Ike a year before it happened. dflprincess Nov 2015 #5

He knew this....factoid 1 & 2 are not true and jaysunb Nov 2015 #8

my biggest issue with the poster of this thread CatWoman Nov 2015 #149

Things that make you go, Hmmmm jaysunb Nov 2015 #150

And that makes you discount everything he says? TBF Nov 2015 #155

I don't believe I was talking to you CatWoman Nov 2015 #156

You're on a message board my dear - TBF Nov 2015 #157

regardless CatWoman Nov 2015 #159

lol TBF Nov 2015 #160

FDR had women on the side as well Major Nikon Nov 2015 #30

the odd thing there is treestar Nov 2015 #57

JFK was a complicated individual... Sickly and whathehell Nov 2015 #84

What Democrat would even consider getting huffy about jfk's private life? So odd! Thanks. n/t Judi Lynn Nov 2015 #35

Makes you wonder, doesn't it? hifiguy Nov 2015 #96

He certainly did. former9thward Nov 2015 #36

We made him (and that family) that. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2015 #39

Camelot is about adultery. ucrdem Nov 2015 #42

It's about a lot more than adultery.. whathehell Nov 2015 #77

You mean, like the philandering between Guinevere and Lancelot? nt raccoon Nov 2015 #63

Factually incorrect. H2O Man Nov 2015 #81

Got evidence that JFK set it up? Kingofalldems Nov 2015 #94

He did not need to set it up. He had a fawning media to do that. former9thward Nov 2015 #114

Your own link title contradicts your post. Kingofalldems Nov 2015 #115

If you stay post-WWII you have to go back to Truman HereSince1628 Nov 2015 #13

Ahh no. former9thward Nov 2015 #34

Kennedy signed NSAM 263 on October 11, 1963 Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #88

Had JFK lived and been re-elected hifiguy Nov 2015 #97

In fairness, Truman. He gave de Gaulle the green light to reoccupy Vietnam, in return KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #67

So, tell me, TheCowsCameHome Nov 2015 #6

He was the second to last American statesman Facility Inspector Nov 2015 #7

the penultimate statesman! bettyellen Nov 2015 #11

I love an opportunity to use that word correctly. ;) n/t X_Digger Nov 2015 #142

because all Dems have sucked since. I read it hear on DU.... from people who voted for Reagan and bettyellen Nov 2015 #10

No doubt you heard that at DU from a right-wing troll trying to pass as a Democrat. n/t Judi Lynn Nov 2015 #37

there are manny of them here. too numerous to count. bettyellen Nov 2015 #93

I gave up trying to count. hifiguy Nov 2015 #98

don't you hate those iPad typos? Hekate Nov 2015 #99

Viet Nam was NOT JFK's war. It was LBJ's war. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #12

In 1959 gladium et scutum Nov 2015 #60

exactly! LBJ's war. n/t 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #80

Don't argue that a bit, but gladium et scutum Nov 2015 #90

16,000 is a handful IMHO, compared to Johnson's 543,482, which was the peak troop strength in 1969. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #128

The Numbers in 1963 gladium et scutum Nov 2015 #133

JFK wasn't just 'considering' troop level reductions, he'd just signed NSAM-263 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #138

Thanks for the info on the NSAM, n/t gladium et scutum Nov 2015 #139

It was the Establishment War, begun by Truman who failed to honor FDR's promise to Ho Chi Minh. Zen Democrat Nov 2015 #151

"The secret of immortality," wrote G.B. Shaw, "is knowing when to die." . . . Journeyman Nov 2015 #15

Your post is positively elegiac. My sincerest KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #69

Because he knew Dallas was "nut country" and he went there anyway. ucrdem Nov 2015 #16

Seldom has one family sacrificed more for this nation than the KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #70

You really don't know shit, do you. edhopper Nov 2015 #17

Hit and run. Le Taz Hot Nov 2015 #73

I noticed that edhopper Nov 2015 #74

You don't seem to know a lot about JFK. milestogo Nov 2015 #19

He can be admired on merits. saltpoint Nov 2015 #20

Why this lionization of Bernie? pnwmom Nov 2015 #21

Maybe it has something to do with what they stand for hifiguy Nov 2015 #101

Or HRC? n/t tazkcmo Nov 2015 #130

Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #22

Lemay would have been an international war criminal if it werent for the US nuking Japan 951-Riverside Nov 2015 #25

Thanks 951 reposting to the asian group. Jesus Malverde Nov 2015 #43

I would agree. If Nixon had been in the White House, probably most of us wouldn't be here. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #53

Because he was born rich BainsBane Nov 2015 #23

re imperialistic activities abroad ... ucrdem Nov 2015 #24

Based on his speeches? BainsBane Nov 2015 #31

He didn't get killed for his speeches. nt ucrdem Nov 2015 #32

You need to read about the American University speech hifiguy Nov 2015 #102

Absolutely, an astonishing, blazing, game-changing speech, and here it is ... ucrdem Nov 2015 #137

The missile crisis and that speech hifiguy Nov 2015 #144

That and his negoitating us out of the Cuban Missile Crisis. dflprincess Nov 2015 #140

Lowering taxes 1939 Nov 2015 #59

FFS melman Nov 2015 #33

Sorry. I understand your frustration BainsBane Nov 2015 #82

and his looks don't hurt treestar Nov 2015 #58

You oddly neglect the several women in Congress whose wealth is enormous, they are not unacceptable Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #61

My rep Anna Eshoo (D-CA18) is loaded as well KamaAina Nov 2015 #85

Evidently Jim Crow rich boy sent the 1964 Civil Rights Act to Congress: ucrdem Nov 2015 #147

that passed because of LBJ BainsBane Nov 2015 #153

The legislation was submitted by JFK in June 1963. Not LBJ. ucrdem Nov 2015 #154

"Lionization?" Really?? madamesilverspurs Nov 2015 #26

Bay of Pigs was Eisenhower It's exactly why JFK listened only to RFK about Cuba. merrily Nov 2015 #27

Very good piece from saltpoint Nov 2015 #28

A Democrat wouldn't post this. Why not take it to a right-wing site? n/t Judi Lynn Nov 2015 #38

That's silly. bigwillq Nov 2015 #65

Character Assassin Octafish Nov 2015 #75

Yes, because the same old same old accusations, innuendos and discredited theories get repeated. Archae Nov 2015 #124

You had to be there. Disgusting. Hekate Nov 2015 #41

:banghead: WillyT Nov 2015 #44

You act like it makes you sad or something. Rex Nov 2015 #45

The pain of Vietnam, Watergate, and everything after MFrohike Nov 2015 #46

Your thoughtful post is a mmini-masterpiece. Really powerful KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #71

You ought to start a thread with this. Right on target. nt raccoon Nov 2015 #83

I really like what you said. Archae Nov 2015 #126

Nice timing, ace. alcibiades_mystery Nov 2015 #47

People, beware. snot Nov 2015 #48

He was the President and was murdered while serving Boudica the Lyoness Nov 2015 #50

You can choose to be a shallow Penn and Teller lucrative sort of Las Vegas HBO skeptic... hunter Nov 2015 #51

The machinery for both the Bay of Pigs AND Vietnam were already rolling when JFK took office. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #52

One had to be there. The youthfulness, the "vigah." Oh, and the BoP was from the previous Admin. WinkyDink Nov 2015 #54

That was the baby of the CIA, the Mafia and one hifiguy Nov 2015 #103

And thus, 11/22/63. WinkyDink Nov 2015 #135

I think the correct question is: "Why the lionization of Ronald Reagan?" DON'T YOU? WinkyDink Nov 2015 #55

at least he wasn't a troll uhnope Nov 2015 #56

OP, you seem to have fallen to the influence of the conservative think tank destruction of JFK. Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #62

Sometimes when a person dies/is murdered when they're young, they're practically canonized. raccoon Nov 2015 #64

I don't lionize him (or any leader) but I do acknowledge and appreciate deutsey Nov 2015 #68

He also kept the world from being annialated Le Taz Hot Nov 2015 #72

Irrelevant to the haters hifiguy Nov 2015 #100

Me? Le Taz Hot Nov 2015 #104

LOL. hifiguy Nov 2015 #105

BTW, if and when you come across a candidate for POTUS who is not human and does not make mistakes, merrily Nov 2015 #76

He also stopped WWIII edhopper Nov 2015 #78

By stopping World War III, do you mean the Cuban missle crisis? I posted about that upthread. merrily Nov 2015 #79

why this need to belittle achievements of liberals? i get that they are not perfect La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2015 #86

Strip everything named after him ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2015 #87

Seriously? hifiguy Nov 2015 #91

Bingo! hifiguy nails it here. longship Nov 2015 #106

Khrushchev had some very revealing comments hifiguy Nov 2015 #107

That is the way I understood it. longship Nov 2015 #108

Khrushchev admitted he broke down in tears hifiguy Nov 2015 #109

Yup! That's about right. longship Nov 2015 #111

Plus, then there was John Scali and Alexandr Fomin. longship Nov 2015 #146

Not only accurate but... WiffenPoof Nov 2015 #112

Totally agree CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #119

As Much As My Heart... WiffenPoof Nov 2015 #110

Kennedy's Alliance for Progress improved relations with Latin America Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #113

And oh how United Fruit and the Rockefeller family hifiguy Nov 2015 #116

That's probably why Nixon appointed Nelson Rockefeller to a commission Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #117

But of course. hifiguy Nov 2015 #120

You just had to be there. CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #123

I was 7 and in third grade hifiguy Nov 2015 #125

I thought the Walker family (as in George Herber Walker Bush) had something to do with United Fruit? dflprincess Nov 2015 #143

I just want to add something about JFK DaveT Nov 2015 #122

He had more character and courage than anybody on this forum, that is for sure. randys1 Nov 2015 #127

He put a man on the Moon and kept us from getting blown up during the Cuban Missile Crisis. (eom) StevieM Nov 2015 #129

He was a WWII vet into his life and raising kids underpants Nov 2015 #131

You just had to be there CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #132

EXACTLY. Like when some ask, "What was so great about the Beatles?" YJHTBT. They arrived only 3 WinkyDink Nov 2015 #136

Because he was a charismatic, telegenic, idealistic, and young Democratic President YoungDemCA Nov 2015 #145

Jeeps, where do you begin? MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #148

When was JFK not celebrated? TBF Nov 2015 #158