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Are we siding with those who fight ISIS, or with those who protect them?? [View all] darkangel218 Nov 2015 OP

What an odd question. I am siding with those who oppose Daesh. I can't speak for everybody. nt Electric Monk Nov 2015 #1

Yes. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #2

Beat me to it :) arcane1 Nov 2015 #4

+1 TIME TO PANIC Nov 2015 #28

Yep, just about to say that. n/t Aerows Nov 2015 #121

Good question! "Our side" is shooting down people who are bombing Isis. Makes you wonder... grahamhgreen Nov 2015 #3

The jet that was shot down was not, according to Turkey, targeting ISIS. CentralMass Nov 2015 #29

They weren't bombing ISIS. The plane was bombing anti-Assad rebels. jeff47 Nov 2015 #49

Anti-Assad Rebels atreides1 Nov 2015 #57

Because the claim is Russia is there to fight ISIS. They aren't fighting ISIS. jeff47 Nov 2015 #61

Russia are fighting both Isis and Al Qaeda. CJCRANE Nov 2015 #64

Except almost all of their bombs are falling on places where ISIS is not located. jeff47 Nov 2015 #70

Many of them with Al Qaeda. Just look at that list posted elsewhere on DU. When Assad goes all hell CJCRANE Nov 2015 #74

And if Assad stays, all hell will break loose. jeff47 Nov 2015 #103

Because CNN says he's an evil dictator. nt ucrdem Nov 2015 #110

No, because his security forces tortured a 13-year-old to death jeff47 Nov 2015 #112

3 of six links are to CNN: ucrdem Nov 2015 #113

And those reports from CNN were not contradicted by the other news sources. jeff47 Nov 2015 #123

Almost all the other opposition groups are Islamist militants, including FSA and Turkomen militias. leveymg Nov 2015 #107

I agree. There is not good side in Syria at this time. There may be good individuals, but JDPriestly Nov 2015 #127

They're bombing ISIS oil facilities and trucks. ozone_man Nov 2015 #67

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I'd appreciate Munificence Nov 2015 #94

I was using shorthand that the poster was using. jeff47 Nov 2015 #101

Good question. kentuck Nov 2015 #5

Dichotomous thinking works for movies. This is real life. uppityperson Nov 2015 #6

I just watched a video of the Russian pilots being shot to death as they parachuted down forsaken mortal Nov 2015 #7

This is the kind of fuck-up everyone predicted when Russia moved in to support the dictator Assad uhnope Nov 2015 #30

Your fever dreams and invective notwithstanding... Comrade Grumpy Nov 2015 #120

... 840high Nov 2015 #35

So we need to show you videos of Russian bombs landing on civilians jeff47 Nov 2015 #50

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:facepalm: jeff47 Nov 2015 #98

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We are Bombing he Hell out of Daesh. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #8

Turkey obviously is not helping. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #9

July 25 "Turkish warplanes bomb ISIS positions in Syria for the first time" Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #11

Lol. one time?? darkangel218 Nov 2015 #13

Russia is really not fighting Daesh, which is the problem. Chan790 Nov 2015 #22

They're NOT fighting ISIS/Daesh though -- that's the problem. Codeine Nov 2015 #32

Russia bombed 500 Isis oil tankers. The western coalition then had to play catch up CJCRANE Nov 2015 #66

Exactly rusty fender Nov 2015 #12

They should leave NATO. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #16

Right, all those countries were bombing them for a year and they got bigger! CJCRANE Nov 2015 #14

Which is the biggest Aerows Nov 2015 #122

More to the point...Russia isn't. Chan790 Nov 2015 #19

I would add combatants to your excellent list nadinbrzezinski Nov 2015 #41

Don't forget the "sides" within your groups. jeff47 Nov 2015 #52

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Why don't you post another article from a media source funded entirely by Russia. jeff47 Nov 2015 #106

Both. hifiguy Nov 2015 #10

Step One: The US destroys a country in the name of whatever. guillaumeb Nov 2015 #15

You got it, guillaume Laughing Mirror Nov 2015 #93

The enemy of my enemy isn't my friend. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #17

Why is Assad our enemy? CJCRANE Nov 2015 #18

I'd forgotten about Assad, actually. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #21

So Turkey, who borders Syria, does not want Assad in power. They have been suporting Syrian CentralMass Nov 2015 #20

But...if Russia just targeted Isis as the west and our allies want CJCRANE Nov 2015 #24

I think that everthing that we do in the ME turns to $h.t. CentralMass Nov 2015 #26

Anything ANYBODY does in the ME turns to shit. Codeine Nov 2015 #33

Russia isn't hitting ISIS targets. jeff47 Nov 2015 #54

What about the 500 Isis oil trucks and Isis oil facilities that even PBS showed being bombed by the CJCRANE Nov 2015 #68

When opponents are killing to get their way, quaint things like borders mean little unless HereSince1628 Nov 2015 #69

It appears we are siding with everybody. AngryAmish Nov 2015 #23

On Tuesdays we're 'anti-ISIS'. Check back on Wednesday. trof Nov 2015 #25

yep +100 840high Nov 2015 #36

Turkey Are Not Our Friends SoCalMusicLover Nov 2015 #27

It's not a difficult choice for me. plus5mace Nov 2015 #31

plus5mace? Codeine Nov 2015 #34

Everyone hates Clerics until they need a resurrection spell. plus5mace Nov 2015 #45

Russia is bombing two targets, Syrian rebels trying to overthow CentralMass Nov 2015 #37

The rebels include al qeada and other Islamic jihadists killbotfactory Nov 2015 #40

Its beyond my scope.Though it seems that Russia is clearly operating to keep Assad in power. CentralMass Nov 2015 #46

There is no scenario in which Russia will accept the loss of Syria, plus5mace Nov 2015 #44

The civil war created the power vacuum that ISIS filled. killbotfactory Nov 2015 #117

Well yeah, according to the US press... MattSh Nov 2015 #128

Are we falling for Russian propaganda that everyone that isn't Assad is ISIS? renegade000 Nov 2015 #38

Not that black and white at all nadinbrzezinski Nov 2015 #39

Thank you underpants Nov 2015 #56

Assad was a model head of state, then bang, he was evil dictator du jour. ucrdem Nov 2015 #42

Assad was a model head of state? Igel Nov 2015 #47

But the fact is he was a friend and ally until about four years ago. ucrdem Nov 2015 #48

Do you need me to post pictures of US officials "being nice" to Saddam and Gadaffi? jeff47 Nov 2015 #55

"we'd prefer someone else" is not a reason to be complicit in a humanitarian catastrophe. nt ucrdem Nov 2015 #58

There already was a humanitarian catastrophe. It had been going on for decades. jeff47 Nov 2015 #59

Assad is supported by the Syrian populace and regime change is anti-democratic and despotic. ucrdem Nov 2015 #60

Um...no. See, the Syrian populace rebelled against Assad. That's who the "rebels" are. jeff47 Nov 2015 #62

Oh baloney. The insurgents were shipped in by the planeload and that's still the case. nt ucrdem Nov 2015 #63

Not baloney. Assad was in power just like Saddam and Gaddafi were - kill the opposition. jeff47 Nov 2015 #65

Yeah that Arab spring thing didn't go so well so here come the air strikes. ucrdem Nov 2015 #71

Well, it's hard to vote when the local dictator has killed you for rebelling. jeff47 Nov 2015 #76

It's a failed regime change op and we need to get out of that business. nt ucrdem Nov 2015 #79

So that Assad can go back to torturing and killing his enemies. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #80

It was an Islamist rebellion funded and armed by outside sources. nt CJCRANE Nov 2015 #72

Thank you. nt ucrdem Nov 2015 #73

It isn't a monolithic rebellion. That's why the rebels are fractured. jeff47 Nov 2015 #75

Many of them are foreign jihadis. Hence why the Pentagon ended up with only 5 moderate rebels. CJCRANE Nov 2015 #77

No, most of the foreign jihadis are going to ISIS. jeff47 Nov 2015 #78

"Assad persecuting the Christians?" Let me guess, CNN? ucrdem Nov 2015 #81

No, he basically slaughtered anyone who got in his way. Just like any other dictator. jeff47 Nov 2015 #82

See above. nt ucrdem Nov 2015 #84

Not even the RW believes that. In fact many of them know that Assad accepts Christians CJCRANE Nov 2015 #86

Gaddafi, Saddam, Mubarak, Assad accepted Christians. Syrian Christians have asked the west to stop CJCRANE Nov 2015 #83

"Accepted" as in "only killed some of them". jeff47 Nov 2015 #85

Saddam's second in command was a Christian. Attacks against Coptic Christians increased under CJCRANE Nov 2015 #89

As I keep saying, everyone involved has blood on their hands. jeff47 Nov 2015 #91

So you prefer to ally with the islamist gulf monarchies to spread democracy? CJCRANE Nov 2015 #95

Nope. If I could wave a magic wand, I'd get us the fuck out of the region. jeff47 Nov 2015 #100

Syria is way too complicated to reduce to simplistic us vs. them thinking. cemaphonic Nov 2015 #43

Yes. nt tblue37 Nov 2015 #51

Both!! nt Aria36 Nov 2015 #53

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Who knows? No one. We just feel better about our collective selves libdem4life Nov 2015 #88

Hope this helps ... obnoxiousdrunk Nov 2015 #90

Thank you, I finally understand whats going on. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #96

I love this! Chemisse Nov 2015 #105

This needs to go viral eissa Nov 2015 #124

+1 darkangel218 Nov 2015 #129

As usual we will side with... abakan Nov 2015 #102

It's not a binary war Bradical79 Nov 2015 #108

It's a bs propaganda war on Assad. ucrdem Nov 2015 #109

Lol, nonsense Bradical79 Nov 2015 #119

We're actively supporting terrorism LittleBlue Nov 2015 #111

We <3 ISIS Matrosov Nov 2015 #114

Welcome Matrosov ucrdem Nov 2015 #116

Reality Check: Proof U.S. Government Wanted ISIS To Emerge In Syria killbotfactory Nov 2015 #115

Probably both NobodyHere Nov 2015 #118

I don't think we have any fucking idea TheFarseer Nov 2015 #125

Easy, both. cheapdate Nov 2015 #126