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In reply to the discussion: TWENTY NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS - Fifty Percent of the nation's energy needs. [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(106,037 posts)14. But the reserve can be organised to act for the entire grid
Here's the PB Power report the 260 MW figure comes from:
http://www.pbworld.com/pdfs/regional/uk_europe/pb_ptn_report2006.pdf
That's talking about what one supplier would have to do to stick within the current 1320 MW limit the National Grid demands. But since then (in 2006), the National Grid has looked at what would be the best thing to do with multiple large generating units - it change its contracts, and take on the responsibility of organising the response and reserve capacity (as it does for up to 1320 MW already), rather than tell even new station it has to do it on its own:
(a) number of large nuclear units
The cost benefit analyses relate to a fleet of six 1650MW units, each of which pose
an 1800MW loss of power infeed risk. The main costs of response and reserve are
independent of the number of such units, since as soon as it is necessary to secure
against one 1800MW risk on the system, the security provided satisfies the
requirement for any number of 1800MW risks.
However, the main benefit of reduced carbon relates directly to the number of units
assumed. Thus it can easily be seen, that if only two large units achieve connection
to the system over 2020-2030, the cost-benefit breaks even. The benefit of two units
(e.g. carbon benefit) is balanced by the increased cost of operating (e.g. increased
response and reserve) the system. If only one unit commissions, then on the basis
of the central case of this cost-benefit operational cost would outweigh the benefit.
On the other hand, if more than six units commission, the cost-benefit is even more
favourable.
http://www.nationalgrid.com/NR/rdonlyres/EEEB8EDB-6AA5-4D44-BFDC-763ECE251E73/31739/SQSS1320Reportfinalv10_040209_.pdf
The cost benefit analyses relate to a fleet of six 1650MW units, each of which pose
an 1800MW loss of power infeed risk. The main costs of response and reserve are
independent of the number of such units, since as soon as it is necessary to secure
against one 1800MW risk on the system, the security provided satisfies the
requirement for any number of 1800MW risks.
However, the main benefit of reduced carbon relates directly to the number of units
assumed. Thus it can easily be seen, that if only two large units achieve connection
to the system over 2020-2030, the cost-benefit breaks even. The benefit of two units
(e.g. carbon benefit) is balanced by the increased cost of operating (e.g. increased
response and reserve) the system. If only one unit commissions, then on the basis
of the central case of this cost-benefit operational cost would outweigh the benefit.
On the other hand, if more than six units commission, the cost-benefit is even more
favourable.
http://www.nationalgrid.com/NR/rdonlyres/EEEB8EDB-6AA5-4D44-BFDC-763ECE251E73/31739/SQSS1320Reportfinalv10_040209_.pdf
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TWENTY NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS - Fifty Percent of the nation's energy needs. [View all]
Ichingcarpenter
May 2012
OP
So on one day for one minute solar contributed almost half the electrical needs for the country
XemaSab
May 2012
#9
US generating capacity is about 1000 Gigawatts, almost all available at any time.
FarCenter
May 2012
#7
You can probably get to about 50% solar and wind without a storage technology
FarCenter
May 2012
#19
This is today's technology getting cheaper all the time. In the market before the first brick on
Sea-Dog
May 2012
#95
Not talking about new nuclear plants, I'm talking about the push to close the old ones.
jeff47
May 2012
#96
Producing a lab prototype is not the same as a product cheap enough to slap on everyone's house
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Jun 2012
#99
What happens if your "air conditioner" is actually part of a home energy storage system?
kristopher
May 2012
#27
These things are possible, but they require huge amounts of capital to implement
FarCenter
May 2012
#29
I am enjoying watching the business majors try to argue with a physicist.
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May 2012
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May 2012
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FarCenter
May 2012
#78
I hope you'll someday notice the part in all my posts where I talk about base load.
jeff47
May 2012
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FarCenter
May 2012
#85
Not so. What is misleading is to make "capacity factor" seem more important than it is.
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And if the guys working on fusion were further along, that could solve the problem too
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