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53. Here a report by UK Channel 4 two days ago

Reply to FLPanhandle (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:29 PM

Nov 2015

In it, radical Mulism women advertise the ISIS caliphate in private 'Tupperware' sessions.

Is it free speech?

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40% Of Millenials Say The Government Should Be Able To Step In And Censor Peoples Speech If It Is [View all] liberalnarb Nov 2015 OP

I disagree profoundly with the 40% n/t Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #1

Me too SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #3

+1000. Hortensis Nov 2015 #104

Me too! Snow Leopard Nov 2015 #109

Same here. Initech Nov 2015 #113

Apparently 40% of millennials need to take a civics class. n/t X_Digger Nov 2015 #2

Yep! We all better watch our step if that happens brush Nov 2015 #59

+1,000,000! If this is an accurate figure, I despair for that demographic. MADem Nov 2015 #74

They might find it too offensive. n/t Crunchy Frog Nov 2015 #77

If they did, it was from Texas text books... Thor_MN Nov 2015 #99

The dumbing down of America is working just like the 1% planned. hobbit709 Nov 2015 #4

Exactly so. Even the "smart ones" are gleefully fucking themselves over. nt villager Nov 2015 #58

'Offense' is subjective. But hate speech should be cracked down upon. Yorktown Nov 2015 #5

No thanks n/t SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #6

Thanks, but no. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #8

I guarantee that if they were permitted, the first prosecutions for "hate speech" in this country Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #12

Exactly. Or a contrived case against Muslims. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #15

Imagine the War on Christmas where we get classified as enemy combatants LittleBlue Nov 2015 #21

As an atheist, just my existence would be considered hate speech. nt. FLPanhandle Nov 2015 #23

Or someone in a blue state cracking down on Christian anti-gay rhetoric XemaSab Nov 2015 #108

Civil liberties are always balanced against public safety Yorktown Nov 2015 #13

Ding Ding Ding! JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #17

Your article raises straw men Yorktown Nov 2015 #27

A President Trump would love you FLPanhandle Nov 2015 #28

I already mentioned the comfort zone is large between anarchy and tyranny Yorktown Nov 2015 #38

Actually, no. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #33

That amuses me, especially here at DU Yorktown Nov 2015 #42

DU is a privately owned site SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #44

There is no right to not be offended, and no law prohibiting the taking of offense. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #45

I stated I disagreed with the law on this topic Yorktown Nov 2015 #83

This isn't the public square. This is a club, a private website, a place with owners who have MADem Nov 2015 #75

My comment was not about the owners but the hide alerters and jurors Yorktown Nov 2015 #79

All a HIDE is, is a comment by the community that the remark was rude. MADem Nov 2015 #80

Not always. Some alerts can 'cleverly' point to a post which can only offend out of context Yorktown Nov 2015 #82

Oh sure--a bogus hide from a partisan, I know what you mean. MADem Nov 2015 #84

'Zactly Yorktown Nov 2015 #86

When the government can say you can't say something because it is offensive, Yo_Mama Nov 2015 #76

Again, it has to be a balance: civil liberties vs public safety Yorktown Nov 2015 #93

It's sophistry to think there must be a balance. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #94

Uh, no, they aren't, not in the context of free expression of ideas that someone else may not like. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #95

A terribly inappropriate analogy. Words and ideas do not become dangerous until Yo_Mama Nov 2015 #105

Fuck that shit. n/t X_Digger Nov 2015 #20

And Christians? Oneironaut Nov 2015 #25

I started off saying offensive speech is OK Yorktown Nov 2015 #31

I did target a group. That's the point. :) Oneironaut Nov 2015 #34

No, your sentence is OK based on the grid I submitted Yorktown Nov 2015 #43

it's hard to prove someone incited violence if they didn't actually incite violence onenote Nov 2015 #73

Reasonable cause Yorktown Nov 2015 #78

Deferred incitement.. isn't a thing. X_Digger Nov 2015 #48

Well, hate speech laws exist in Europe, so they apparently managed to define it Yorktown Nov 2015 #51

Except hate speech laws in europe aren't about 'deferred incitement' so try again. That's.. novel. X_Digger Nov 2015 #54

I wrote that 'hate speech' was 'deferred incitement', and I stand by it Yorktown Nov 2015 #63

Bullshit SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #65

My elephants are blue, therefore potato. Feel free to propose your own definition. X_Digger Nov 2015 #66

Your caricature omits middle ground Yorktown Nov 2015 #81

You haven't defined that mushy middle. You've proposed something that's illogical. X_Digger Nov 2015 #100

Yay for Europe SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #55

What's wrong with constitutional amendments? Yorktown Nov 2015 #62

If they're in place to protect freedoms, I'm all for them SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #64

So, like the Czech Republic? Scootaloo Nov 2015 #35

Again, the distinction ideology/people Yorktown Nov 2015 #49

Hate crimes are defined first as crimes. joshcryer Nov 2015 #89

Hate speech is totally subjective. Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2015 #91

The definition of "hate speech" is subjective and will change dependng on the listener. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #103

Sure, let's turn over control of what we can say to the government FLPanhandle Nov 2015 #7

the time machine DustyJoe Nov 2015 #47

Yep this is whats called autocracy liberalnarb Nov 2015 #60

Here a report by UK Channel 4 two days ago Yorktown Nov 2015 #53

"But... but.... there's a 'hate speech exception' to the First Amendment!" Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #9

And it's questionable. Yorktown Nov 2015 #14

Oh, they're all over this thread, already. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #96

The establishment thus figures out what candy they can use to lure the new generation... AZ Progressive Nov 2015 #10

Did they break it down at all? HuckleB Nov 2015 #11

Unfortunately no liberalnarb Nov 2015 #16

Indeed. -eom- HuckleB Nov 2015 #19

Most millennials are apolitical. joshcryer Nov 2015 #90

Taking offense is such bullshit. Waiting For Everyman Nov 2015 #18

Ugh. Sorry but there's no other word for this. Sheltered snowflakes nt riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #22

<-- Millenial. This is stupid. Oneironaut Nov 2015 #24

In my opinion liberalnarb Nov 2015 #26

Truth right here! FrodosPet Nov 2015 #36

I am not going to say I am surprised by this in the least nadinbrzezinski Nov 2015 #29

Yep, infringement of free speech. Waldorf Nov 2015 #30

So, a minority of them. n/t Scootaloo Nov 2015 #32

Good thing we allow them to speak! I am sure they are thankful. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #57

If 40% of a large population said that blacks and women shouldn't be able to vote... TipTok Nov 2015 #110

Fuck. That. Shit. hatrack Nov 2015 #37

I really hate everything about their stupid generation Reter Nov 2015 #39

That statement makes you absolutely no different from them. phleshdef Nov 2015 #40

Wow... liberalnarb Nov 2015 #41

What about free speech? mountain grammy Nov 2015 #56

Please elaborate. nt ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #114

Part of the reason Trump is getting traction. redstateblues Nov 2015 #46

Thats true liberalnarb Nov 2015 #50

Ohh where did we go wrong. Alittleliberal Nov 2015 #52

Before its too late everyone must remember too... liberalnarb Nov 2015 #61

depends of course where the speech is--commencements aren't the city square MisterP Nov 2015 #67

Hate speech is not "offensive", it is incitement and is illegal in those countries like Germany Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #68

Fuck that. Throd Nov 2015 #70

So is history.....and who wants to fuck that? Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #71

Why do you assume the Ministry of Offense will support your positions? Throd Nov 2015 #72

You seriously think that the lesson of history is that taking away freedom of speech is a good idea? Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2015 #92

Because America has the 1st Amendment, fred. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #97

40% of millenials are ignorant dumbasses? Sounds about right. Throd Nov 2015 #69

Did they take this poll at Safe Space University? romanic Nov 2015 #85

So the minority of Millenials say that huh? Rex Nov 2015 #87

Hmm, seems corporate fascism is really gaining ground. joshcryer Nov 2015 #88

Young people are more accepting of gay rights, women's rights, immigrants, pampango Nov 2015 #98

A very dangerous path! Who are the deciders and the enforcers? Those thinking RKP5637 Nov 2015 #101

Yo, kids! Take a civics 101 class. leftofcool Nov 2015 #102

Civics is too triggering! romanic Nov 2015 #106

they don't like moving out of their parents house either... ileus Nov 2015 #107

They grew up on the internet The2ndWheel Nov 2015 #111

For context, here are the figures for some other countries (whole population) muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #112