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257. I think many people do jump to conclusions when things like this happen

Sun Nov 29, 2015, 12:15 AM

Nov 2015

It is human nature for us to be curious. The shooting of a PP clinic specifically makes one wonder about their motive. Why didn't the perpetrator go shoot up another clinic that has nothing to do with abortions or reproductive care.

I think one of the things that has to be stressed in times like these is that not ALL Christians are gun loving, shoot'em up type people. Those people are a small vocal minority.

Whether religion played a part, we'll have to see. There is also has been so much negative stuff said about PP (which is a load of crap) that could have caused someone to decide to take a situation into their own hands.

As we have seen in the past, the media has shown little interest in covering these stories for more than a day (if even that) before putting the it in the trashcan. It would be nice if the media actually grew a backbone showed more interest in covering these kinds of crimes.

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There is a serious anti-Christian vibe around here [View all] oberliner Nov 2015 OP

I lulz'd KG Nov 2015 #1

Same. It's not base religion, but any oppressive, manipulative, hypocritical fundamental sect. TheBlackAdder Nov 2015 #69

I am not suggesting any kind of "Christian persecution" oberliner Nov 2015 #153

I am not suggesting any kind of "Christian persecution" AlbertCat Nov 2015 #205

Win!! nt artislife Nov 2015 #294

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Post of the day! LOL randys1 Nov 2015 #328

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It's mostly expression of human nature...people need to distance themselves from the murderer HereSince1628 Nov 2015 #2

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Lord love a duck--or two. nt tblue37 Nov 2015 #227

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Pppppppppppppfffffffffffft. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #4

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bingo. . . n/t annabanana Nov 2015 #224

It's a deliberate narrative. CJCRANE Nov 2015 #8

No there is not. There is a bad vibe about right wing christian nuts. Big difference. nt Logical Nov 2015 #9

Ditto Brainstormy Nov 2015 #15

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Well said! I thank you... nt haikugal Nov 2015 #254

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Very well said. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #273

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It's fairly common for liberal Christians Mariana Nov 2015 #142

No true Scotsman Major Nikon Nov 2015 #149

TRVE CHRISTINAS� MineralMan Nov 2015 #279

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K&R! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2015 #20

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Indeed PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #25

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Well I think it's kind of fucked up to take this tragedy and make it all about poor oppressed PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #65

I certainly do not mean to be doing that oberliner Nov 2015 #91

+10000000 CharlotteVale Nov 2015 #94

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Thanks for calling him out on this. It is amazing that people like the OP are so Rex Nov 2015 #166

Really. Kath1 Nov 2015 #197

Yup. Reformed Evangelical here. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #198

^THIS right here n/t LadyHawkAZ Nov 2015 #267

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Many here have been hurt by "Christians" Maeve Nov 2015 #17

In essence, some use religion as a club to beat, kill and maim people with physically and/or RKP5637 Nov 2015 #22

Some do. Not all Maeve Nov 2015 #39

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I refuse to put up with it. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2015 #303

Did you miss all of the Pope threads? Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #18

Combining religious delusion with violence CanonRay Nov 2015 #19

There is no Christian equivalent to ISIS...but some here like to pretend that there is. davidn3600 Nov 2015 #21

Oh, bs. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #27

did you notice his list of what Xtians "don't do" is really, really selective?? TheSarcastinator Nov 2015 #32

Lots of Americans TeddyR Nov 2015 #67

So what do you suggest? Calista241 Nov 2015 #105

Speak out about it. Call it the hateful violent rhetoric that it is. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #106

What goes on in the mind Mariana Nov 2015 #171

Exactly. Like I said, it's disgusting. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #178

RWCNJs deal plenty of death, just differently, so that Ilsa Nov 2015 #49

You're giving Christians a free pass. procon Nov 2015 #74

I'm not giving any religion a pass davidn3600 Nov 2015 #92

Thank you +100 840high Nov 2015 #129

Its only a matter of time. procon Nov 2015 #144

How many has radical Islam killed and how 840high Nov 2015 #236

If you're just looking for a global body count the scoreboard tally procon Nov 2015 #252

I'm talking about recent past. So in your 840high Nov 2015 #258

We killed a lot in Iraq. Bush said he did it becasue God told him to. Gore1FL Nov 2015 #264

YEs so i say it is a tie at the moment. Wait, no, W's crusade killed HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS randys1 Nov 2015 #331

Christian terror groups most certainly do exist Major Nikon Nov 2015 #81

Have you forgotten about the Inquisition and the Crusades or the KKK in this nations early years? justiceischeap Nov 2015 #118

Watch Jesus Camp and get back to us. wickerwoman Nov 2015 #140

I've just been reading about the Christian Identity Movement & the Phineas Priesthood, among others. Demit Nov 2015 #244

No, there is a serious hatred of anti-choice, Le Taz Hot Nov 2015 #24

Islam is also steeped with misogyny and homophobia oberliner Nov 2015 #44

So, "Islam does it too" Le Taz Hot Nov 2015 #54

The entire OP is about that very point oberliner Nov 2015 #58

THAT'S the point you are trying to make? Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #63

If I may quote my own OP oberliner Nov 2015 #88

Be wary of anti Muslim folks who pretend it is because of the way Muslim's randys1 Nov 2015 #332

My opinion is gwheezie Nov 2015 #76

The facts are in enough rjsquirrel Nov 2015 #78

How do you know how is even Christian? oberliner Nov 2015 #89

Considering that the overwhelming majority of over 40 white males in this country are xtian... cleanhippie Nov 2015 #215

Yep, some here are driven to make Muslim a four letter word. They get a big sadz Rex Nov 2015 #167

Which religion has more power in the US to push this misogyny and homophobia? Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #271

Indeed. When they start preaching hate, they should expect to be despised. Nay Nov 2015 #53

Excellent post, Taz. hifiguy Nov 2015 #190

+1000 nt NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #256

IMO LiberalElite Nov 2015 #26

more Xtian victimization BS TheSarcastinator Nov 2015 #29

I agree that Christians are not oppressed here oberliner Nov 2015 #46

Yes, my beliefs are mocked here daily. tavernier Nov 2015 #30

oh no! Not your BELIEFS! Those are SACRED! TheSarcastinator Nov 2015 #35

Well, you can say Xtian tavernier Nov 2015 #143

Turn down your persecution generator. No one told you to leave. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #202

I have to wonder how strong a faith is Skittles Nov 2015 #246

I'm not the least bit upset. tavernier Nov 2015 #269

I don't care if your shoes are pink, purple, made of gold, or leather, or if you ran a sub-3h marath AtheistCrusader Nov 2015 #160

They NEVER seem to address, let alone deal with, this root problem whatthehey Nov 2015 #314

If I were of faith, I think it would be impossible to defend. AtheistCrusader Nov 2015 #316

Are your beliefs worthy of mocking? Are they contrary to reason and logic? cleanhippie Nov 2015 #201

+10 840high Nov 2015 #234

Anything that can't be mocked isn't worth believing. Oneironaut Nov 2015 #266

Is it okay that we mock Republican beliefs? Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #272

Hilarious stuff. I get it, you want to make anti choice and anti gay religious rhetoric 'protected' Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #31

That's fine....as long as you attack Islam with the same hammer you attack Christianity with davidn3600 Nov 2015 #38

Read what I wrote, I mean what I say. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #51

Anti-choice and anti-gay religious rhetoric should not be protected oberliner Nov 2015 #48

So your concern if what, exactly? Say what you mean. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #61

Not so much a concern as an observation oberliner Nov 2015 #93

Your said you were "disturbed" most by... and then went on to "observe" something that PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #97

Huh? oberliner Nov 2015 #111

Reread your OP. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #116

Someone else pointed that out upthread oberliner Nov 2015 #150

You placed the reputation of a religious group over the victims of this crime. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #165

That was not my intention oberliner Nov 2015 #174

+1 Rex Nov 2015 #176

I do not want their speech protected. But what I would like jwirr Nov 2015 #137

Were you asked to apologize? No. But false witness is a game for the good Christian. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #173

You went to many liberal ministers to ask then to counter jwirr Nov 2015 #189

It is more effective and realistic to try to change one's own culture bhikkhu Nov 2015 #33

But what about the assumptions made about the shooter oberliner Nov 2015 #50

Waiting to find out what Robert Lewis saltpoint Nov 2015 #57

I didn't read much about it (busy working) bhikkhu Nov 2015 #253

Christianity has survived 2000 years of trials and tribulations. hrmjustin Nov 2015 #34

Agreed oberliner Nov 2015 #52

We're waiting. When will you start? whatthehey Nov 2015 #214

Not exactly sure how to respond here so I will just smile and wave. hrmjustin Nov 2015 #218

Yep - that's all you brave "liberal" Xians ever do against your evil faith-mates whatthehey Nov 2015 #222

First off you don't know a damn thing about me. hrmjustin Nov 2015 #223

I'll take you seriously when you do one fucking thing to "address" your fundy brothers in faith whatthehey Nov 2015 #304

I have done it in real life and on DU. hrmjustin Nov 2015 #306

i expect Christian hatred. I just wish they weren't hypocrites whatthehey Nov 2015 #311

I am well aware of what they are capable of. hrmjustin Nov 2015 #312

At least you know how to make his point crystal clear. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #298

Haven't seen much of you lately. Jesus Malverde Nov 2015 #291

Thanks my friend! hrmjustin Nov 2015 #296

Your charge is much too broad. procon Nov 2015 #36

Fair enough oberliner Nov 2015 #56

When Christians get their nose B Calm Nov 2015 #41

That is when they became obnoxious, using politics to force their beliefs onto others! Apparently RKP5637 Nov 2015 #55

So long as people divide other people into groups, you will see this. randome Nov 2015 #42

Yes, it's important to understand that humans are, by nature, group-oriented HereSince1628 Nov 2015 #72

Sad but true. randome Nov 2015 #219

It's a big problem for the saltpoint Nov 2015 #45

But Franklin Graham is a Christian. Mariana Nov 2015 #155

That's not the argument. saltpoint Nov 2015 #196

It is the hypocrisy that most object to. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #59

Get your cross out of women's bodies, and I'll stop pointing out it's there. jeff47 Nov 2015 #60

I can see that get the red out Nov 2015 #62

Religion was obviously at the root of the shooter's thinking. Marr Nov 2015 #64

At this point, could there not have been other motives unrelated to religion? oberliner Nov 2015 #86

It's certainly possible, but seems awfully unlikely to me. /nt Marr Nov 2015 #126

Sure, he could have very well been taking a stand against pap smears Major Nikon Nov 2015 #151

It is not the same when people talk about a majority group the same way others talk about an gollygee Nov 2015 #66

It's a matter of perspective davidn3600 Nov 2015 #73

In our country, Christians are definitely the majority. gollygee Nov 2015 #75

Good point oberliner Nov 2015 #84

No reason to make assumptions? gollygee Nov 2015 #101

One can definitely make educated inferences oberliner Nov 2015 #109

That PP location had safe rooms. It is constantly picketed. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #124

No, I haven't oberliner Nov 2015 #136

So what's true or acceptable depends on popularity and group think. Waiting For Everyman Nov 2015 #307

Perhaps Kalidurga Nov 2015 #71

Just sharing thoughts and reflections oberliner Nov 2015 #79

And there's a serious anti-secular vibe across most of this country . . . hatrack Nov 2015 #77

Very true oberliner Nov 2015 #80

Yes, it's important to focus on the *real* victims here... Christians. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #83

By no means are Christians "the real victims" here oberliner Nov 2015 #85

mmm hmm. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #90

Peace be unto you oberliner Nov 2015 #95

How convenient for you. AtheistCrusader Nov 2015 #161

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #320

you are right about us noting the difference restorefreedom Nov 2015 #82

I've noticed it for years. TwilightGardener Nov 2015 #87

Hmmm I guess we are all demanding lists of christians and that they wear nadinbrzezinski Nov 2015 #96

There actually have been such posts oberliner Nov 2015 #102

Are the people doing that anywhere close to runnning for political office nadinbrzezinski Nov 2015 #110

Point taken oberliner Nov 2015 #113

Wheat, chaff sort of an exercise nadinbrzezinski Nov 2015 #119

The voices of secularism ought to be heard more loudly oberliner Nov 2015 #122

Why don't you ask the posters if they were meant satirically? Mariana Nov 2015 #157

Good point oberliner Nov 2015 #158

Over the years there have been a number of "false flag" events - someone jonno99 Nov 2015 #98

Of course there is an anti-Christian vibe around here. dawg Nov 2015 #99

I won't mock you - in fact agree 100%. 840high Nov 2015 #238

Interesting post and thread hibbing Nov 2015 #100

Agreed oberliner Nov 2015 #104

Yep, glad it's being noticed. n/t whathehell Nov 2015 #103

I agree with you patsimp Nov 2015 #107

I am an atheist, I am anti all religion! m-lekktor Nov 2015 #108

I can't be bothered enough to care... about religion or atheism truth be told. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2015 #112

this-- I have similar disdain for all religions, including christianity.... mike_c Nov 2015 #133

As a hopeful agnostic Android3.14 Nov 2015 #114

This agnostic agrees Ishoutandscream2 Nov 2015 #115

I am a stone cold atheist and I have noticed it time and again CBGLuthier Nov 2015 #117

I'm an atheist too justiceischeap Nov 2015 #120

Ft Hood was not called terrorism. Wonder why? 840high Nov 2015 #130

It kinda depends on your definition of Christian workinclasszero Nov 2015 #121

Christianity in this country has evolved Mariana Nov 2015 #159

I don't hate Christians. I do think Christianity itself is a harmful, nonsensical belief system. Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #125

I have yet to meet any good ones PowerToThePeople Nov 2015 #127

You have yet to meet any good Christians? oberliner Nov 2015 #147

to quote Sheriff Noah after someone wrote letter criticising him for being Jewish hobbit709 Nov 2015 #128

There is a serious anti-whatever-your-opinion/belief/ideal is around here. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2015 #131

It's the hypocrisy Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #135

Understood oberliner Nov 2015 #145

Exactly. branford Nov 2015 #297

Then the more moderate Christians need to begin to take back the religion. AngryOldDem Nov 2015 #138

Yes, I agree oberliner Nov 2015 #146

No thank you. AtheistCrusader Nov 2015 #164

Great points oberliner Nov 2015 #168

^^This^^ (nt) mr blur Nov 2015 #170

It's so much easier for moderate Christians Mariana Nov 2015 #162

To compare Islam to Christianity in the USA is a false equivalence. PufPuf23 Nov 2015 #148

Yeah, there is MFrohike Nov 2015 #152

Yes, many here lump all Christians (and all Catholics) together, as they would never pnwmom Nov 2015 #154

OK, I'll bite DonCoquixote Nov 2015 #156

Yes, I have and it is bothersome. Speculation is normal, but you have to be careful to uppityperson Nov 2015 #163

I've noticed folks upset because we won't hate on Islam like Stormfront and FR does. Rex Nov 2015 #169

I agree oberliner Nov 2015 #177

That includes our primary candidates too right? Rex Nov 2015 #179

It has gotten really ugly on that front oberliner Nov 2015 #180

It has hurt this site and the posters here in ways we will only feel after the primaries. Rex Nov 2015 #183

You might be right about that oberliner Nov 2015 #186

I might be guilty of giving out an anti-religion vibe. Vinca Nov 2015 #172

Seeing as how we demand that all muslims explicitly denounce each act of Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #175

And white. I think skin color plays into this too. Rex Nov 2015 #181

But we don't actually demand that - the right-wingers do oberliner Nov 2015 #185

Oh du-ers do. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #211

Good point oberliner Nov 2015 #327

Agreed Oberliner. But the vibe is limited. guillaumeb Nov 2015 #182

In large part because most of those who most loudly and publicly hifiguy Nov 2015 #187

Do you find that to be true of Muslims and Jews as well? oberliner Nov 2015 #188

I loathe all religulous fundamentalists, hifiguy Nov 2015 #191

If I may jump in to this interesting question whatthehey Nov 2015 #309

I think it is time for people of all religions and those who aren't religious to get together... cascadiance Nov 2015 #192

No there's not. But there is an anti-delusional, faith-based thinking vibe. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #199

Do you think that vibe is displayed evenly towards all religions? oberliner Nov 2015 #204

I think reasonable, rational people feel the same about all delusional thinking. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #213

Do you think that Christianity and Islam are viewed in the same way here? oberliner Nov 2015 #240

shhhh. The op is having a christian entitlement moment of persecution. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #212

There is no "persecution" of Christians going on here oberliner Nov 2015 #239

It's as absurd to hate all Christians as to hate all Muslims for the terrorism done in their name Bucky Nov 2015 #200

Christians have always been our enemy here. ileus Nov 2015 #207

Oh teh noes. Someone saw your privilege. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2015 #209

It goes without saying that Christians and whites have enormous privilege oberliner Nov 2015 #237

Zee Germans? Act_of_Reparation Nov 2015 #262

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Well said. n/t cpwm17 Nov 2015 #225

Irrational, evidence-less beliefs need not be protected from "rudeness." Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #275

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Hogwash matt819 Nov 2015 #216

Do you think there is any difference in the response at DU depending on the religion in question? oberliner Nov 2015 #235

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This calls for a... Act_of_Reparation Nov 2015 #229

. baldguy Nov 2015 #250

"Reasonable" Act_of_Reparation Nov 2015 #259

But what does that have to do with the Planned Parenthood shooting? oberliner Nov 2015 #233

Poor put upon Christians. 6000eliot Nov 2015 #220

Yes. Kath1 Nov 2015 #228

+1! 6000eliot Nov 2015 #230

Christians are not put upon oberliner Nov 2015 #232

My post was sarcastic. 6000eliot Nov 2015 #260

Your Abrahmaic religions all suck. Sorry. nt msanthrope Nov 2015 #231

You put it in a nice, neat nutshell. hifiguy Nov 2015 #242

Why limit it to Abrahamaic religons? Gore1FL Nov 2015 #265

From the amazon.com blurb about Chris Hedges' book tblue37 Nov 2015 #241

But we don't know if the PP shooter was Christian oberliner Nov 2015 #243

We don't know about Dear, but there have been plenty of clearly extremist Christian tblue37 Nov 2015 #247

That is true oberliner Nov 2015 #248

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I kinda ride the line between atheist/agnostic and do not appreciate bigotry against religious folks phleshdef Nov 2015 #261

I'm anti all religious claptrap at this point.... Gloria Nov 2015 #263

I respect the right of people to hold cockamamie, irrational beliefs, but Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #276

Yes, I get that...it's not that I am not Gloria Nov 2015 #287

Yeah, I'm with you. Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #305

Nope, I haven't noticed that at all. What I have noticed: LadyHawkAZ Nov 2015 #268

Thanks for sharing your thoughts oberliner Nov 2015 #285

No LadyHawkAZ Nov 2015 #289

Thank you! Change has come Dec 2015 #342

I'm still pissed because of what they did to Galileo Facility Inspector Nov 2015 #274

I'm still sad and angry about the sacking of hifiguy Nov 2015 #313

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #321

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What do you mean? oberliner Nov 2015 #284

There is a segment on DU who are anti religion. I do not think it still_one Nov 2015 #280

not anti "christian" wendylaroux Nov 2015 #282

i detest the hypocrisy of those who call hopemountain Nov 2015 #288

This is a US-centered politics website, and Christians are very influential in US politics. cemaphonic Nov 2015 #290

Most Christians also aren't "just ordinary people that want to live peaceful and prosperous lives?" branford Nov 2015 #299

I'll thank you to not put words in my mouth. cemaphonic Dec 2015 #341

I'm well aware that Christianity and Islam are religions, branford Dec 2015 #343

It is true, read some posts in the following thread: pediatricmedic Nov 2015 #292

I'd say it's about the same as the anti-Muslim sentiment on this board. prouddemfromaustin44 Nov 2015 #293

There's a serious keep your religion out of our politics vibe around here. herding cats Nov 2015 #295

Dude, cut the shit, you're just pissed off that -- Hell Hath No Fury Nov 2015 #301

Wow oberliner Nov 2015 #324

Thanks for noticing. Iggo Nov 2015 #308

Your perception probably isn't wrong�violent radicals taint groups w/ which they're associated Panich52 Nov 2015 #310

As I Christian myself, I firmly believe you simply simply desire to be offended LanternWaste Nov 2015 #315

I'm not offended oberliner Nov 2015 #325

There has been a serious anti-Christian vibe for the ten years I've been here. kwassa Nov 2015 #317

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #318

Yes, but it's always been this way. n/t DesertRat Nov 2015 #319

I am sick of being persecuted by Christians for my support of womens rights B Calm Nov 2015 #322

As expected, you're catching a lot of flak for this, but you're right Ex Lurker Nov 2015 #323

I disagree. There is anti-RW Christian. Not the same as anti-Christian. yellowcanine Nov 2015 #334

A terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist. IsItJustMe Nov 2015 #336

More facts have come in since I made the post oberliner Nov 2015 #338

Seemed pretty obvious to me when I heard about it. IsItJustMe Nov 2015 #339