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191. A movement that produces, defends, and promotes such characters as Sam Harris

Reply to beam me up scottie (Reply #130)

Sun Nov 29, 2015, 11:08 AM

Nov 2015

and Christopher Hitchens is deeply flawed.

The self-definition of a "truther" is going to be very different than what a "truther" is in reality. A new atheist will identify himself very differently than an outside critic that recognizes what they are really about in practice.

"New atheists" way over-estimate the importance of not believing in a god and not possessing a religion. They don't understand the dominant sources of evil in this world. They are very dismissive towards those that believe differently, often dehumanizing believers in the process. They are often very full of themselves.

This out-of-proportion belief in the importance of atheism, like any other similar irrational belief, can lead in dangerous directions. The high percentage of those that support and defend extreme evil actions in the "new atheist" movement is evidence of that.

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I am not religious. Can you please categorize Atheism into a "race"? [View all] Quantess Nov 2015 OP

does "race to the top" count? nt msongs Nov 2015 #1

Not sure but I think this may not be the place for that discussion. libdem4life Nov 2015 #2

Heathen footinmouth Nov 2015 #3

Atheism is a religion. onehandle Nov 2015 #4

Kindly educate yourself. LiberalAndProud Nov 2015 #10

Atheism is an absolute. onehandle Nov 2015 #12

Your outlook is ridiculous. LiberalAndProud Nov 2015 #13

I agree. If atheists gather and talk about their Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #14

What an incredibly ignorant statement. What do atheists worship? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #17

What do Shinto practicioners worship? MADem Nov 2015 #43

That's a right wing Christian myth, Consevapedia and FreeRepublic claim atheism is a religion too. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #44

DU now seems to feature a reichwing meme of the day. hifiguy Nov 2015 #101

I noticed that too. Makes you wonder where else these people hang out. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #102

What do we worship? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #45

You'd have to ask those people at all those Sunday Assemblies. MADem Nov 2015 #47

That poster said we worship and you argued the point so I'm asking you. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #49

I wasn't the one who said "They gather to worship." MADem Nov 2015 #50

Then why did you answer for them? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #52

Well, take it up with the official forms people at varying governments, then! MADem Nov 2015 #58

They're not here. Are you claiming bald is a hair colour now? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #61

I am not going to argue with it as a way of identifying the characteristics of a person's MADem Nov 2015 #62

Is bald a hair colour or not? Here's the dictionary definition if you need assistance: beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #63

It's a category used to identify hair color, just like brown, black and grey! MADem Nov 2015 #65

Is bald a hair colour or not? It's a simple question, yes or no? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #67

How many times do I have to repeat what i said before you understand? MADem Nov 2015 #70

It's a yes or no question, why won't you answer it? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #72

Apparently--and this angers you because you keep asking the question--it is NOT a "yes or no" MADem Nov 2015 #73

Actually I knew you couldn't prove it, I just wanted to watch you try. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #74

Dropping the ball, pulling out the hat tip emoticon, running away from the argument, and MADem Nov 2015 #151

Do you worship fairies? Yorktown Nov 2015 #140

It wouldn't matter if I believed in ghosts or imps or MADem Nov 2015 #142

And? Yorktown Nov 2015 #147

One person's evidence is another person's tall tale. MADem Nov 2015 #148

In that respect, I believe equally in god and fairies Yorktown Nov 2015 #152

Because not believing in fairies is the same thing believing in fairies, amirite? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #159

You keep trying so darn hard to get personal with me. It isn't working. MADem Nov 2015 #164

Now that you finally admitted that atheism isn't a religion we're all done! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #169

It's kind of sad how you always try to play that "Now that you've finally admitted" game when MADem Nov 2015 #172

Tl, dr! :) beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #173

Ha ha ha....of COURSE you didn't! Can't have those paradigms challenged, can we? MADem Nov 2015 #176

*yawn* beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #178

Declare victory/TLDR/yawn--you'd be better off just buckling down and learning something. MADem Nov 2015 #181

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz........... beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #183

So much effort to try to suggest you don't care! MADem Nov 2015 #185

These are the same folks who will bleat about pastafarianism not being "a real religion" Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #242

The hypocrisy is unbelievable. Stereotyping, intolerance, redefining words, just like Conservapedia. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #244

Is this semantics? Funtatlaguy Nov 2015 #76

I've never been either but that sounds exactly like what they do. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #78

So any group that gets together on a regular basis is a religion? Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #84

No. But a group that gets together, has ministers, gets an IRS tax exemption in USA, and MADem Nov 2015 #162

"No." So atheism is not a religion? Good! Glad you finally figured that out! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #166

Noooooo, post 162. The IRS has recognized atheists as a faith group. MADem Nov 2015 #190

Where are those Atheist Churches? Yorktown Nov 2015 #139

All over the world. Go to Youtube, punch in Sunday Assembly, and watch what pops up. MADem Nov 2015 #195

Yeah, right, and you accept the term 'Church' at face value, surely? Yorktown Nov 2015 #199

Well, if these congregations aren't screeching and whining about it, why should I? MADem Nov 2015 #207

You raised a straw man Yorktown Nov 2015 #209

No, I did not. And that game-playing just ain't cutting it anymore. MADem Nov 2015 #210

Wow. Atheist churches are all over the net. And they are the future? Yorktown Nov 2015 #211

They're also all over "Real Life." Which works even when the power goes out. MADem Nov 2015 #212

why, our "nonbeliefs" of course.. mountain grammy Nov 2015 #104

Right? I love how people expose their prejudices in threads like this. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #105

Some people are really threatened by unbelievers. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #235

Maybe they'll evolve. It just takes some people longer to learn to be tolerant. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #239

Atheism is a religion, derp! Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #240

Bald is a hair colour, derp! Because the government said so! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #241

Critical thinking is just another exercise in pursuing unsubstantiated bullshit! Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #243

Believing in fairies is just as rational as not believing in them! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #245

There's a cat for that feeling. hifiguy Nov 2015 #247

Foxholes, obviously (nt) cemaphonic Nov 2015 #196

And science. That's my favourite. :) beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #205

Some atheists seem to worship their smug sense of superiority FrodosPet Dec 2015 #371

Sure, many outspoken minorities seem uppity to certain kinds of people. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #372

Everyone has the right to be an obnoxious asshole. FrodosPet Dec 2015 #373

Well I'll just have to take your word for that, my sneering, self-righteous friend. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #374

their smug sense of superiority AlbertCat Dec 2015 #375

Some religionistas seem to worship their smug sense of superiority mr blur Dec 2015 #376

This is truth. FrodosPet Dec 2015 #377

I'm sorry, but weren't you just complaining about a smug sense of superiority? Act_of_Reparation Dec 2015 #379

And the irony is lost on you as you say this with your own smug sense of superiority. cleanhippie Dec 2015 #383

Funny, that's exactly what I've observed skepticscott Dec 2015 #385

Atheists may not worship anything, but ... JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2015 #85

Thats why I most times madokie Nov 2015 #115

Years ago I used to refer to myself as agnostic because the label 'atheist' makes you a target. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #117

I do know the feeling madokie Nov 2015 #118

Me too, had a couple of close calls and never prayed. Never even thought about it. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #120

What laughable nonsense. mr blur Nov 2015 #79

The terms atheist and agnostic are not mutually exclusive MillennialDem Nov 2015 #215

Sarcasm tag missing? lapislzi Nov 2015 #227

come on dude. Mr Dixon Dec 2015 #354

Atheists preach their faith to others AlbertCat Dec 2015 #378

If atheism is a religion bald is a hair colour and barefoot is a shoe. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #16

Yes. And vegetables are a type of meat eaten by vegetarians. GoneFishin Nov 2015 #81

Yep, and abstinence is a sexual position. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #82

On my government loan application, under spouse, I was instructed to write "none" or "N/A" if single Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2015 #88

Lol! That bald being a hair colour canard because...driver's licences is the same thing. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #99

LOL. Not a very popular one though. GoneFishin Nov 2015 #91

Well you can't get an std from abstinence. :) beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #100

Except for disease-free which is actually a type of STD you get from abstinence. GoneFishin Nov 2015 #111

Lol! Perfect! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #112

Um, no? Lordquinton Nov 2015 #18

He is de facto atheist... TipTok Nov 2015 #146

What you think is agnosticism is also a type of atheism. nt LostOne4Ever Nov 2015 #22

Now you've done it---you're in BIG TROUBLE! MADem Nov 2015 #26

On other parts of the internet, people don't mind the reference to atheism as a religion~! AlbertCat Nov 2015 #30

I think they're referring to right wing conservative websites. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #31

If not BIG TROUBLE, then a "put down scold!" MADem Nov 2015 #33

Where do they claim that atheism is a religion? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #37

Religions have congregations and services.... MADem Nov 2015 #46

Nice gish gallop, but where do the people in the articles you cited claim atheism is a religion? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #48

Gish gallop? You're telling me those people at those Sunday Assemblies are not atheists? MADem Nov 2015 #51

Now you're trying to move the goalposts. The question is whether atheism is a religion. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #53

Even the courts--and the Washington Post--agree with my friends' POV: MADem Nov 2015 #54

That doesn't prove it's a religion, try again. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #55

I said it was a BELIEF SYSTEM. You keep throwing out the R word--and some atheists apparently MADem Nov 2015 #57

Because that was the claim we objected to, that atheism is a religion: beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #60

There are atheist ministers. If they want to call it a religion, I don't quibble. MADem Nov 2015 #64

An atheist didn't make the claim, a non-atheist did. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #66

I am not trying to "prove" anything--you are. MADem Nov 2015 #68

It's not my job to disprove that poster's claim, and again they're not an atheist. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #69

Since you failed to prove to me that it's not, I guess we are! MADem Nov 2015 #71

Burden of Proof fallacy LostOne4Ever Nov 2015 #137

Sorry, not buying that lame argument. MADem Nov 2015 #144

Whether you buy it or not your argument is still based on a fallacy. LostOne4Ever Nov 2015 #149

Only if you are the center of the universe--and you're not. MADem Nov 2015 #150

There is no belief or claim in atheism LostOne4Ever Nov 2015 #153

Another "jazzy" dictionary definition? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #156

Ambrose Bierce is my Shepard LostOne4Ever Nov 2015 #158

Well there goes the theory that you believe you're the center of the universe. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #160

You're not God, either! MADem Nov 2015 #216

That whole reply to me was a fallacy LostOne4Ever Nov 2015 #224

After all that, my reply to you is this--NEITHER ARE YOU! MADem Nov 2015 #230

I never claimed to own it, I am just using the actual definition instead of your fantasy nt LostOne4Ever Nov 2015 #232

Ah, yes "The ACTUAL DEFINITION" ... was that transmitted to you by some deity? MADem Dec 2015 #250

More links PROVING you wrong LostOne4Ever Nov 2015 #226

See, they aren't God EITHER! And listen to you, with your "actual atheist" snobbery! MADem Nov 2015 #229

Did you not even bother to read my replies? LostOne4Ever Nov 2015 #237

But but but 162! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #246

You keep trying to insist that there are "rules" to atheism, and you're trying to act like the MADem Dec 2015 #251

Wow, you really have no freaking clue about anything you are talking about in this thread do you? LostOne4Ever Dec 2015 #256

You should watch the videos, and listen to what the PEOPLE are saying. It would help you understand MADem Dec 2015 #257

No you were banned for telling people what to think just like you are trying to do now LostOne4Ever Dec 2015 #262

'The linked source is spinning his words, it's a right wing rag run by the Heritage Foundation.' MADem Dec 2015 #263

Yes they can see what you said. LostOne4Ever Dec 2015 #270

The Sunday Assembly is not a borg. And unlike you, they have no doctrine or dogma. MADem Dec 2015 #279

And still you have nothing. nt LostOne4Ever Dec 2015 #280

Einstein and Dworkin are "nothing" eh? OK! MADem Dec 2015 #282

You discredit your own sources Lordquinton Dec 2015 #284

Who aren't racists. Reading is fundamental, you know.... MADem Dec 2015 #286

No, just your arguments are nothing. Because you don't even understand the basic argument. LostOne4Ever Dec 2015 #302

Beautiful Lordquinton Dec 2015 #303

*LO4E drops mic and walks offstage* beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #305

I provided links that stated otherwise. Not sure where you get the authority to make that claim. MADem Dec 2015 #308

I read the links from Dworkins and Einstein, no they dont say otherwise. LostOne4Ever Dec 2015 #321

Wait a minute Lordquinton Dec 2015 #281

OH SNAP! beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #283

Dead white racist atheists...I don't think these two wanted to kill any Muslims! MADem Dec 2015 #285

Richard P. Feynman Lordquinton Dec 2015 #289

Why bring up a pair of skeptics who weren't atheists? Are you name dropping? MADem Dec 2015 #291

Feynman was an atheist Lordquinton Dec 2015 #298

He could not have been, no matter how he might have labeled himself. MADem Dec 2015 #304

Ok, here in his words, a link Lordquinton Dec 2015 #306

"Feynman: An atheist. Agnostic for me would be trying to weasel out and sound a little nicer..." beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #309

It's pretty clear that, no matter what he said in response to that question, that he was uncertain. MADem Dec 2015 #310

Agnostic atheists aren't certain, that's why it's called 'agnostic' atheism - still atheism. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #311

There you go with the wikipedia again! Great link...not! nt MADem Dec 2015 #319

Beats using MADem for a source. :) beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #320

You should check your work. Or not. nt MADem Dec 2015 #324

More: beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #326

Gee, look at all that dogma and doctrine! MADem Dec 2015 #328

I didn't think you would understand, it's never easy for fundamentalist thinkers. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #329

Nothing to do with black and white--it has to do with what the gentleman actually said. MADem Dec 2015 #331

Read through all of the definitions again and let me know which parts are confusing you. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #333

Oh snap! ZOMG (to quote you) ....I don't think so. You've nothing to add. nt MADem Dec 2015 #336

So you refuse to even try to learn about agnostic atheism, how unexpected! beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #338

We gave you the Oxford dictionary but you don't believe that either. nt LostOne4Ever Dec 2015 #322

You obviously didn't click on that link before you snarked at me. nt MADem Dec 2015 #323

You mean this one? LostOne4Ever Dec 2015 #325

No--one similar to it, that went nowhere. MADem Dec 2015 #334

I am aware of that post 325 has no edits. nt LostOne4Ever Dec 2015 #337

Unbelievable Lordquinton Dec 2015 #312

And then he acknowledges there is a possibility (albeit a low one) that he could be wrong. MADem Dec 2015 #314

"You might try reading what people write." Lordquinton Dec 2015 #316

As I said, and you're ignoring, he qualified his response with his waffling in the next paragraph. MADem Dec 2015 #317

A thought experiment for you: cemaphonic Dec 2015 #357

This message was self-deleted by its author LostOne4Ever Dec 2015 #307

Why do the atheists have to be dead? Live ones can't define atheism because... beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #293

You can keep running around and cheerleading those who are contributing to the conversation if you'd MADem Dec 2015 #296

I don't understand why you can't stop telling us we practice a religion because we say so. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #300

Well, I'm not really conversing with you. You keep jumping in with your booya stuff, MADem Dec 2015 #313

I asked a question. Why do you keep telling us what we think and believe? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #315

You're all over this thread like a kid playing the dozens. Oh snap! MADem Dec 2015 #318

And yet you're the one refusing to learn about agnostic atheism. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #340

Yep, that's why they were banned alright. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #265

I remember reading that thread when it happened Lordquinton Dec 2015 #267

Is Thomas Aquinas one of those "dead, white racist angry atheists" too? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #269

Well, not an atheist Lordquinton Dec 2015 #271

Oops, I got confused. So much misinformation in this one thread I just can't keep track of it all. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #272

And Oxford University and the Religious Tolerance Website are devoted to Genocide of the religious LostOne4Ever Dec 2015 #273

Oh! This must be performance art! That explains it! beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #274

It is confusing here at times Lordquinton Dec 2015 #275

There seems to be a need for some to redefine a minority/movement whenever they get too uppity. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #276

I think this comic sums it up perfectly LostOne4Ever Dec 2015 #277

EXACTLY! That could be any uppity minority saying "NO" to the majority! beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #278

Turns out Aquinas is (was) racist! Lordquinton Dec 2015 #292

Well in order to be correct one has to be dead, white, non-racist and an atheist. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #295

You can think whatever you'd like. You just can't tell others what to think. MADem Dec 2015 #287

So disregard anyone in hostory who was racist? Lordquinton Dec 2015 #290

You're going a little far afield, here. MADem Dec 2015 #294

I'm takign your refutation to it's logical conclusion Lordquinton Dec 2015 #299

No, you're not doing that at all. MADem Dec 2015 #327

No one is getting riled up about the Sunday Assembly but you. Most of us are indifferent to them LostOne4Ever Dec 2015 #330

You don't really know a thing about me. And bigger letters doesn't make it "better." MADem Dec 2015 #332

Oh? Please provide quotes from every single member saying so LostOne4Ever Dec 2015 #335

You could look at the videos I have offered in this thread.... MADem Dec 2015 #347

Your first video (the short one) didn't say a word about atheism being a religion LostOne4Ever Dec 2015 #353

More sunday assembly people saying it is not a religion LostOne4Ever Dec 2015 #356

If I was a senior citizen I could simply zoom in the page. nt LostOne4Ever Dec 2015 #339

That's what "I" do! LOL!!! nt MADem Dec 2015 #346

That's an openly ageist slur Orrex Dec 2015 #343

Ha ha ha! MADem Dec 2015 #345

It's kind of pathetic, actually. Orrex Dec 2015 #349

I don't know why you think that older atheists are the mouthy activists and the millenials aren't cemaphonic Dec 2015 #361

I am not "enamoured," but I am fascinated. MADem Dec 2015 #387

They said without a trace of irony after insisting only dead, white, non-racist atheists count. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #301

BOOM! There it is: "Sunday Assembly is a secular community" beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #266

You are hilarious. Link after link from credible sources proving you wrong and still you dig in. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #238

Why are the opinions of dead, white racist angry atheists "credible?" I don't think bigots are MADem Dec 2015 #260

ZOMG! ALL of the people in those links are "dead, white racist angry atheists"? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #261

Oh YEAH LostOne4Ever Dec 2015 #358

Well, you need to listen to the people in attendance, too. MADem Dec 2015 #384

The Sunday Assembly is inclusive LostOne4Ever Dec 2015 #386

Well done, LO4E!!! I can't believe they're still pretending their definition is correct. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #236

Another fail! Strawman! Agnostic atheists don't "claim to have all the answers". beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #154

Don't you just love the referee meme? nt LostOne4Ever Nov 2015 #155

I do! So many fallacies and they covered them all. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #157

One of the best recent memes. hifiguy Nov 2015 #228

The referee meme only works if you speak from a position of authority, which clearly, you do not. MADem Nov 2015 #193

But all that YOU offer is "lame arguments"! I really can't work out whether - mr blur Nov 2015 #192

Take it up with the founders of Sunday Assemblies. They're all over the world, MADem Nov 2015 #194

No, it's not a "belief system" either and that's why it is not a "religion" rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #350

What percentage of atheists have a symbol on their tombstone? Yorktown Nov 2015 #141

Actually, atheists sued for it for many years. MADem Nov 2015 #143

I knew that, it does not address my point Yorktown Nov 2015 #145

Well, given that the symbol is relatively new, you're probably accurate. MADem Nov 2015 #213

I think these guys are atheists: AlbertCat Nov 2015 #38

That's some serious performance art, for the sake of "satire." MADem Nov 2015 #42

Tax scam! Support our mission, send your tax exempt donations here. mountain grammy Nov 2015 #123

What is a religion? A set of beliefs, principles, guidelines that people adhere to, in an organized MADem Nov 2015 #134

So AA is a religion? A book club? What about volunteers at a shelter? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #163

I will suggest--again--that you check out the links at post 162. MADem Nov 2015 #165

I don't see where any of them define atheism as a religion. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #167

You obviously didn't read them very carefully. Why am I not surprised? MADem Nov 2015 #170

Like I said, you've seen the error of your ways so there's really no need to continue. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #171

Again--there has been no "error of my ways" --trying to pretend otherwise is a real loser MADem Nov 2015 #174

Tl, dr! :) beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #175

Of course--the smell of burning rubber is strong in these parts! MADem Nov 2015 #179

*yawn* beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #180

Post 162. nt MADem Nov 2015 #182

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....... beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #184

162! nt MADem Nov 2015 #186

I've always found DU to be good at calling out rank stupidity. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2015 #89

I've found DU to be uniquely gifted at beating pointless topics to death, too. MADem Nov 2015 #93

Wanna hear how Du can warp one's real life. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2015 #95

Yes MFrohike Nov 2015 #161

Heh. onehandle Nov 2015 #92

The bible belt, well that explains where you got the bigoted stereotype about atheism. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #97

Conformation Bias Lordquinton Nov 2015 #98

What faith would that be? nt RedCappedBandit Nov 2015 #106

I think you'd like these Sunday Assembly types. MADem Nov 2015 #220

Atheism is a religion like lack-of-measles is a disease Orrex Nov 2015 #217

Tell that to the IRS! And the Veteran's Administration! nt MADem Nov 2015 #218

Why should I? I don't represent atheism or atheists. Orrex Nov 2015 #219

You would tell them your comment about measles. MADem Nov 2015 #221

Still means nothing to me. Orrex Nov 2015 #222

It's not an "issue" for me. It's a topic of interest. MADem Nov 2015 #231

You still haven't explained why you think the lack of religion is a religion. Orrex Nov 2015 #248

I'll say it one more time--who am I to judge? MADem Dec 2015 #249

But of course you *are* judging, from start to finish. Orrex Dec 2015 #252

No, I'm not--but you sure are. Here you are, continuing to "make the rules" for the atheists! MADem Dec 2015 #254

Certainly you are--again and again throughout this thread Orrex Dec 2015 #258

No, I'm not. I'm simply talking about one specific religion of atheists called the Sunday Assembly. MADem Dec 2015 #259

Yes, you are. You've been judging me and others in nearly every one of your posts Orrex Dec 2015 #264

Now you're down to name calling? Judgmental? A hypocrite? An outright liar? THAT's what you call MADem Dec 2015 #268

I called you judgmental and a hypocrite because you *are* a judgmental hypocrite Orrex Dec 2015 #341

That is simply not true. You're just angry that I don't agree with YOUR opinions, and so you MADem Dec 2015 #344

I call you judgmental because you're constantly judging everyone Orrex Dec 2015 #348

Atheism is a religion. Agnostic is not religious. AlbertCat Nov 2015 #35

I'm not sure MosheFeingold Dec 2015 #363

Wow TransitJohn Nov 2015 #87

Ha ha. Riiiiiight. Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #90

You clearly don't have a basic understanding of either word. RedCappedBandit Nov 2015 #108

I see quite a few dumb statements on message boards - TBF Nov 2015 #114

"Atheism is a religion" is a completely moronic statement. Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #225

Some light reading. From that Dworkin "moron." MADem Dec 2015 #288

And who made Dworkin the pope of atheism? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #297

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #234

No I don't think so rockfordfile Dec 2015 #388

Infidel. backscatter712 Nov 2015 #5

Adding Atheist does not help. I'd suggest a self delete. Seriously.* libdem4life Nov 2015 #6

It's the <blank> race. The occupants of "Nobody Home." immoderate Nov 2015 #7

People grow up believing some things saltpoint Nov 2015 #8

Its not genetic. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #9

we are in every so called race. JanMichael Nov 2015 #11

i don't even understand the question.... Takket Nov 2015 #15

Probably has to do with calling Islam or Muslim a "race" Fumesucker Nov 2015 #56

That's how I took it as well. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #75

People who do are hifiguy Nov 2015 #107

I am pretty sure the answer is Kalidurga Nov 2015 #19

Fight? I think the answer is science!! riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #20

No Math no Science Kalidurga Nov 2015 #21

A brother from a different mother? riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #23

Okay Pi then Kalidurga Nov 2015 #24

Ha! ZombieHorde Nov 2015 #177

No. Race isn't a matter of belief or non-belief. But our Constitution pnwmom Nov 2015 #25

Marathon JHB Nov 2015 #27

Its a drag race DJ13 Nov 2015 #28

I don't even understand what point you are trying to make. Shoulders of Giants Nov 2015 #29

42 herding cats Nov 2015 #32

Which is also the number of angels who can dance on the head of a pin. GoneOffShore Nov 2015 #94

Occam's Razor ProfessorGAC Nov 2015 #223

Race and religion are both human constructs. Juicy_Bellows Nov 2015 #34

^^^THIS^^^ valerief Nov 2015 #109

Um? I'm not either, but don't understand this post. Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #36

Well done. Behind the Aegis Nov 2015 #39

Explain it to me then, please? herding cats Nov 2015 #41

See post #56 Behind the Aegis Nov 2015 #86

Thanks. herding cats Nov 2015 #133

We atheists don't race, we stop to smell the roses Fearless Nov 2015 #40

I'm guessing this is really about Muslims and Islamophobia CrawlingChaos Nov 2015 #59

I think you're right. cpwm17 Nov 2015 #96

What is a "New Atheist?" nt valerief Nov 2015 #110

I can show you: beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #113

Atheists that despise Muslims and often are closely associated with the neocons cpwm17 Nov 2015 #116

Really? Then why do they call Daniel Dennett a 'new' atheist? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #119

I wouldn't call PZ Myers a "new atheist". cpwm17 Nov 2015 #121

The term is used as a slur by anti-atheist bigots, and I notice you didn't eliminate Dennett, why? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #122

No, I'm criticizing right-wing atheists. cpwm17 Nov 2015 #124

No, new atheists do not "tend to be pro-war, or at least rather bigoted". beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #125

When Sam Harris is criticized for his pro-war stance and bigotry cpwm17 Nov 2015 #126

So what? Are all Muslims jihadists because some bigots associate them with Bin Laden? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #127

I'm using the commonly used definition. cpwm17 Nov 2015 #129

"their own definition"? Do new atheists own Wikipedia and IEP now? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #130

A movement that produces, defends, and promotes such characters as Sam Harris cpwm17 Nov 2015 #191

That sounds like what men said about the women's movement. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #201

I'm strongly pro-atheist, as I am one. cpwm17 Nov 2015 #203

Again you failed to prove your definition is accurate. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #204

Here's wikipedia on "new atheists": cpwm17 Nov 2015 #206

Dennett is WONDERFUL. hifiguy Nov 2015 #197

He certainly is. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #198

Dennett's ability to metaphorically hang the Abrahamic religions hifiguy Nov 2015 #200

Absolutely perfect description! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #202

Harris and the late Hitchens don't despise Muslims. They despise the text and what it teaches. LiberalAndProud Nov 2015 #131

Oh no, Hitchens despised Muslims. cpwm17 Nov 2015 #135

Youtube is full of videos in their own words. LiberalAndProud Nov 2015 #136

Hitchens' attitude is no secret. cpwm17 Nov 2015 #138

He did admit he was wrong on some things Lordquinton Dec 2015 #351

I remember that, now that you mention it. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #352

I despise Islam Matrosov Dec 2015 #360

Nobody, religions are objectively wrong and from just what you wrote there cpwm17 Dec 2015 #362

Religion or lack thereof is not a race madville Nov 2015 #77

What's "race" got to do with atheism? Vinca Nov 2015 #80

I love how this thread reveals the subconscious self-loathing of religious folks whatthehey Nov 2015 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #233

Race is a social construct rather than a biological division. Make your own categories Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #103

We're all atheists, even you Christians Boomer Nov 2015 #128

more Ernst Bloch, yay! MisterP Dec 2015 #253

Why? It is a belief system. Are you upset with believing in something? Rex Nov 2015 #132

There are no beliefs in atheism. We are the null set if anything nt LostOne4Ever Nov 2015 #168

Atheism is a lack of belief in gods, but many atheists hold many false beliefs. ZombieHorde Nov 2015 #187

Completely correct! Especially about country music :D nt LostOne4Ever Nov 2015 #188

I am astounded at how many atheists are throwing out "rules" for a belief system that they insist MADem Dec 2015 #255

Is mathematics a belief system? ozone_man Dec 2015 #364

I am astounded at how you don't know the difference between a rule and a definition LostOne4Ever Dec 2015 #366

If it's not a belief system, why does it have churches and congregations? MADem Dec 2015 #367

Churches and congregations does not a religion make. nt LostOne4Ever Dec 2015 #368

Lack of religious belief is not a belief system. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #369

Not having a religion is not a religion. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #381

I think these people are messing with the definitions, then. MADem Dec 2015 #382

speak for yourself and leave me the fuck alone. alphafemale Nov 2015 #189

Thread win Orrex Dec 2015 #342

I don't see how atheism can be put into as a "race" or ethnicity sakabatou Nov 2015 #208

No... Deuce Nov 2015 #214

Whatever else can be said about it, this was a very successful drive-by. Orrex Dec 2015 #355

no. it is def not a race. La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2015 #359

It would be intolerant of us to ever call white a color again. LanternWaste Dec 2015 #365

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #370

This should have been locked long ago. See rules for GD yellowcanine Dec 2015 #380