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BlueCaliDem

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166. Not a gun owner myself, but I love the idea that good citizens in this country have the freedom to

Sun Nov 29, 2015, 03:49 PM

Nov 2015

choose to own or not own guns. I do, wholeheartedly, support the 2nd Amendment simply for that freedom. But I support ALL of the 2nd Amendment, including the "well regulated" part of it.

There was a time when getting one's driver's license was easy-breezy. That's no longer the case in the State of California. The rigorous driving test (mine was exactly 55 minutes!) with parallel parking - three times, just to make sure I wasn't just lucky - and two times the two-point turnabout, plus driving up the I-10 during high traffic, made that one tedious driver's test. But considering the high traffic in SoCal, especially the Los Angeles area, it was necessary to ensure they didn't give me a driver's license for kicks and giggles even though I drove in the Netherlands for eight-plus years - even in Amsterdam and Utrecht, and any Dutch auto-driver will tell you those two places have horrible traffic.

So I believe it wouldn't be too much to ask people who wish to buy and own guns to go through rigorous testing as well. When our Founders mentioned "well-regulated" in the 2nd Amendment, I'm assuming they didn't mean a simple background check and a few minutes of our time for registration.

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Take Away All Guns If Posible - Agree? - 33,000 Lives Saved Per Year Worth It? [View all] Yallow Nov 2015 OP

Not even remotely possible GGJohn Nov 2015 #1

But toting is almost impossible, and no one would be allowed to fill up 4 gun safes Hoyt Nov 2015 #4

Judging by how you ALWAYS mention my safes, GGJohn Nov 2015 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author Yallow Nov 2015 #10

Nope, you are just an example of gun excess and the 1%ers in gunz. Hoyt Nov 2015 #39

We have differences of opinion of excessess. GGJohn Nov 2015 #47

Have Any Of Your Children Been Shot? Yallow Nov 2015 #95

I've been shot, yet I still believe in the RKBA, GGJohn Nov 2015 #106

My Friend Shot My Friend Drinking On Purpose Yallow Nov 2015 #117

How do you know in a drunken rage, it wouldn't have happened with some other means/ GGJohn Nov 2015 #120

Guns make it sooooo much easier for acts of impulsive violence, but you knew that. nt Electric Monk Nov 2015 #121

Anything can be used for an act of impulsive violence, but you knew that. eom. GGJohn Nov 2015 #124

easier (adj) - achieved without great effort; presenting few difficulties. nt Electric Monk Nov 2015 #125

Regardless, a firearm isn't needed to injure or kill someone in an act of impulsive violence, GGJohn Nov 2015 #126

Easier. Easier. Easier. Say it with me: Easier. nt Electric Monk Nov 2015 #130

Ok. GGJohn Nov 2015 #135

If you're talking easier, then the scale ends at alcohol. beevul Nov 2015 #264

When is the last time someone alcoholed someone else to death, or went postal with their 40oz? nt Electric Monk Nov 2015 #265

See DUI fatalities. beevul Nov 2015 #267

So it's the heavy machinery being operated that killed someone else, not the alcohol. Electric Monk Nov 2015 #275

Easier. Easier. Easier. Say it with me: Easier. nt beevul Nov 2015 #276

I read about DUI related deaths every day. GGJohn Nov 2015 #272

My Point Electric Monk Yallow Nov 2015 #133

If they are all legal why not? Somebody have 10 safes so what? Waldorf Nov 2015 #227

Since 2/3's of those deaths are suicides it is likely they would seek other means.. EX500rider Nov 2015 #2

Less Lethal Means Yallow Nov 2015 #7

Lots of lethal ways if they are serious... EX500rider Nov 2015 #9

The Japanese sure have seemed to find ways other than firearms to commit suicide. GGJohn Nov 2015 #61

Nothing is as quick and effective as a gun. TexasBushwhacker Nov 2015 #96

Jumping from a high place is just as effective. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #116

Ever Heard The Term "Talking Them Down"? Yallow Nov 2015 #136

If they are on a ledge, they are not serious and want the attention. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #138

But The Gun Is So Much More Glamorous.... Yallow Nov 2015 #150

What was Robin Williams method of choice? NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #157

RW had Parkinson's disease TexasBushwhacker Nov 2015 #251

Jump off a building is just as quick. davidn3600 Nov 2015 #174

Numbers don't lie TexasBushwhacker Nov 2015 #249

Yeah but if you take away the gun, the other methods will rise dramatically davidn3600 Nov 2015 #258

As evidenced in Japan and S. Korea, GGJohn Nov 2015 #259

Ban all Alcohol-88,000 deaths per year Travis_0004 Nov 2015 #3

Ah, because we allow alcohol, we can't restrict gunz. I read Zman saying something like Hoyt Nov 2015 #5

What does "Zman" have to do with anything, Hoyt? pintobean Nov 2015 #8

No. Travis_0004 Nov 2015 #12

Making Alcohol Treatment Free Would Save 90% Of These Lives Possibly Yallow Nov 2015 #17

Tried it in the 1920's.....failure! yeoman6987 Nov 2015 #141

Our Whole Culture Glamorizes Getting Drunk Yallow Nov 2015 #153

What the hell does Zimmerman have to do with this? GGJohn Nov 2015 #15

Simple -- Most gunners are a Zman waiting to happen. Hoyt Nov 2015 #36

What utter bullshit!!!! GGJohn Nov 2015 #48

Consider the source. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #58

Oh, there's no doubt it's entertaining, GGJohn Nov 2015 #64

If you have a gun or 2 strapped on, a hero mentality, train to shoot people, display paranoia/fear, Hoyt Nov 2015 #81

Hoyt, you just get funnier and funnier. GGJohn Nov 2015 #93

Keep 'em coming LittleBlue Nov 2015 #113

Hoyt Is Spon On - Zimmerman Types Looking For A Reason To Shoot Someone Yallow Nov 2015 #119

Which is a tiny fraction of firearm owners. GGJohn Nov 2015 #122

If The 2/3 Of Americans Who Don't Own Firearms Voted To Take Them Away - Yes Yallow Nov 2015 #128

Our Republic isn't set up to allow such a thing. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #146

What If The Minority Causes 13,000 Deaths A Year? 33,000? Yallow Nov 2015 #184

The vast majority of firearms owners aren't causing those deaths, GGJohn Nov 2015 #186

It is what it is. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #210

Pretending that there is any "unlimited access to unlimited weapons" doesn't help. beevul Nov 2015 #266

Yes, I really need my firearms. GGJohn Nov 2015 #149

You Hunt For Fun Not Food - Live Traps For Predators Yallow Nov 2015 #163

Very obviously you're trolling for a hide here, it's so transparent. GGJohn Nov 2015 #167

And If Someone Steals Your Guns And Goes On A Rampage Yallow Nov 2015 #177

So you hunt for fun? GGJohn Nov 2015 #179

I Am Not Accusing Anyone Yallow Nov 2015 #181

You didn't accuse me of hunting for fun instead of food? GGJohn Nov 2015 #182

It's already illegal for someone ADJUDICATED as a danger to themselves or others branford Nov 2015 #193

If I had my way, and it was my decision, I would make all criminals disappear. Waldorf Nov 2015 #231

Two wolves and a sheep voting on the dinner menu? Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #151

"Do you really need your guns if the nut jobs and criminals can't find, or have them?" EX500rider Nov 2015 #175

I'll keep my firearms. If you don't want to have anything to do with them, don't buy any. Waldorf Nov 2015 #229

I've got a resource for anyone who thinks all gun owners are eager to murder LittleBlue Nov 2015 #139

I thought it was Arizona Watermelon flavored Packerowner740 Nov 2015 #238

LOL!!!!! virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #111

That has to be one of the most ridiculous statements I've read. I guess you have interviewed tens of Waldorf Nov 2015 #228

That post should have come with a drink warning! ManiacJoe Nov 2015 #240

Unless you have a magic wand, that's simply not going to happen. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #11

I don't think that is the issue here, what it is really about is the impossible logistics of collect Rex Nov 2015 #13

Not Impossible Yallow Nov 2015 #14

Yes and I said I am all ears to the plan to do such a thing. Rex Nov 2015 #16

Ban - Guns - Easy Yallow Nov 2015 #19

So what do you do when 50 million people refuse to turn them in and file lawsuits against the govt? Rex Nov 2015 #23

Let's Start The Conversation Yallow Nov 2015 #41

When were U.S. citizens not allowed to possess firearms? Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #44

When It Became Obvious It Is Harmful Yallow Nov 2015 #69

So when are you going to turn your's in? eom. GGJohn Nov 2015 #75

When did that happen (guns not legal to possess in the U.S.)? Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #94

Link To 229 Billion A Year Estimate Yallow Nov 2015 #142

Seems more of an indictment of the medical and legal industries than of guns. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #154

My Problem Is This Also Isn't Being Discussed - Why The Media Blackout? - 229 Billion A Year Yallow Nov 2015 #145

You say you own firearms? GGJohn Nov 2015 #68

And Be Completely Unarmed In A Country Full Of Psychopath Nut Jobs? Not Ready.... Yallow Nov 2015 #80

Ok. GGJohn Nov 2015 #89

We Need Cars / Knives - We Don't Need Guns Yallow Nov 2015 #155

Millions of Americans depend on firearms to put meat on their tables. GGJohn Nov 2015 #169

Strong gun laws make countries safe Travis_0004 Nov 2015 #260

"Americans obviously can't handle guns." The only thing "obvious" about that is that it's nonsense. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #76

And The Crazies Kill The Children Of The "Responsible" Gun Owners Every Damn Day Yallow Nov 2015 #91

Um...okay. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #114

If Your Child Was Shot By And Untreated Crazy Person Yallow Nov 2015 #194

No, that's emphatically NOT how politics works. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #198

I see you're now changing your tune. GGJohn Nov 2015 #199

Tell me what you know about the word "militia" and its etymology... what did it mean in the 1700s? cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #87

"Americans obviously can't handle guns." EX500rider Nov 2015 #180

I'd say Americans handle guns quite well. 80-100 million gun owners of 310+ million firearms. When Waldorf Nov 2015 #234

Same thing they usually do... post pictures of AC-130 Gunships. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #84

"Give all the gun owners $$ from the 229 billion saved." EX500rider Nov 2015 #178

How many deaths would it be worth to try to round up all the firearms in this country? GGJohn Nov 2015 #18

Absolutely: tens of millions would ignore such a law. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #24

It would start a civil war imo. Rex Nov 2015 #28

I concur. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #30

I agree. We can wish something to be practical all we want to, won't change reality any. Rex Nov 2015 #34

Better yet...what do you do with the 50 million people that refuse to hand them over? Rex Nov 2015 #25

Break The Law - Go To Jail Yallow Nov 2015 #42

They Say All Laws Won't Help - No Laws Could Have Stopped It - Their Gun Defense Yallow Nov 2015 #43

Unenforceable laws don't solve problems, they create them. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #63

Have to get caught first. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #49

20%? Where do you get that? pintobean Nov 2015 #50

Laugh out loud. Like that stopped the drugs... NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #53

80% of Americans don't own firearms? GGJohn Nov 2015 #71

When you talk about restricting gunz, you see just how UNlaw-abiding gunners are. Not a one of them Hoyt Nov 2015 #72

More pure comedy gold. GGJohn Nov 2015 #77

This just in: people resist unjust/idiotic laws. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #85

You're talking to a group of people taught Thoreau's Resistance to Civil Government NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #90

If you think you need guns to fight the government, you're mentally unfit to own guns Electric Monk Nov 2015 #159

You clearly have no idea what the essay is about. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #160

Hmm, I thought this sub-thread was about not giving up your guns to a tyranical gov't. Silly me. nt Electric Monk Nov 2015 #164

That doesn't mean they are needed to fight the government. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #168

Speaking as a stoner, prohibition doesn't work. Throd Nov 2015 #171

Might as well start somewhere; otherwise you'll be saying "500 million firearms" in 2030. Hoyt Nov 2015 #38

I can understand the frustration and what you say it true. Rex Nov 2015 #239

Not a chance. beevul Nov 2015 #20

So We Just Keep Having Funerals For The Innocent Right? Surrender Right? Yallow Nov 2015 #241

Why should I, as a responsible firearm owner who's firearms have never been a part of that cost, GGJohn Nov 2015 #242

You said you own at least 1 gun so are you including yourself? uppityperson Nov 2015 #243

The only thing I agree with is heavy penalties for misuse. And I think we already have that, but Waldorf Nov 2015 #246

Yours is a solution to guns, not a solution to gun violence. beevul Nov 2015 #263

He sure sounds familiar, like I have heard him before. oneshooter Nov 2015 #271

I doubt that would be a good idea, all told Recursion Nov 2015 #21

Easily obtained instructions and 3D printing have made that idea more of an obsolete... Shandris Nov 2015 #22

It will never happen, of course, but I don't see any reason why we can't regulate Vinca Nov 2015 #26

Are you saying that all semi-automatic guns should be made illegal to own? Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #37

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Vinca Nov 2015 #98

Why won't you volunteer to go door to door? Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #101

I'm afraid I'll get shot by one of the crazies. Vinca Nov 2015 #107

So you think it is a good idea to put Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #109

That's what they get paid for. Vinca Nov 2015 #132

You think LEOs are paid to Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #200

There are restrictions on many things. Vinca Nov 2015 #204

Actually you can yell fire in a crowded movie theater. It isn't illegal. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #212

Great. Maybe I'll purchase a nuke for the backyard. Vinca Nov 2015 #222

Uh huh, Freedom of Speech = Backyard nuke. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #225

There is a lot that can be done short Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #215

I'm sorry. I don't understand gun worshippers. Vinca Nov 2015 #221

I don't understand gun worshipers either. Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #237

There are tens (if not hundreds) of millions of semi-automatics already out there. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #57

Well, let's just continue to be sitting ducks then. Vinca Nov 2015 #100

It's not an "either/or" situation. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #115

I love that good old American spirit of yours. "No we can't, no we can't." Vinca Nov 2015 #129

Wow...did you even bother reading my reply? Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #143

But that doesn't mean we shouldn't aim for the top and not the middle. Vinca Nov 2015 #152

Sure. But "aiming for the top" isn't something I WANT to succeed. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #161

I can't argue you with you anymore. It makes my BP rise. Vinca Nov 2015 #165

Besides cops and the military, GGJohn Nov 2015 #170

Do you ever watch the news? Vinca Nov 2015 #202

Lovely straw man ya got there. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #173

This past week in Wisconsin forthemiddle Nov 2015 #183

My (more detailed) take on open carry. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #190

I find it amusing a "hunter" has to use a semi-automatic weapon. Vinca Nov 2015 #203

On top of bolt action rifles, GGJohn Nov 2015 #205

And what the heck. With that kind of fire power who has to aim? Vinca Nov 2015 #218

Never been a hunter have you? GGJohn Nov 2015 #220

If you don't need to "spray" the bullets, what's the point of having the AR platform? Vinca Nov 2015 #223

Because the AR platform is an ergonomic, easy to use platform GGJohn Nov 2015 #224

No they aren't, and the AR is not an assault weapon. They lack the automatic part. Waldorf Nov 2015 #235

Every hunter wants a one shot kill for game. Instead of cycling the bolt myself, the semi-automatic Waldorf Nov 2015 #233

Regardless of what you find amuzing forthemiddle Nov 2015 #214

Our local news just had a story about police investigating a domestic violence case. Vinca Nov 2015 #219

Guns back in GD? Oh, wait... Never left.... Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #32

Oh, in answer to the OP. No. Not even a good idea. nt Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #29

Did Australia take away rifles too? There are still hunters in America, and rifles are harder to yurbud Nov 2015 #31

All firearms must be licensed TexasBushwhacker Nov 2015 #256

"BTW, suicide by firearm has fallen by 2/3 in Australia." GGJohn Nov 2015 #257

Yes, but the overall rate is still down TexasBushwhacker Nov 2015 #273

lol!!! Tell another funny joke! virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #33

Come And Take Them Yallow Nov 2015 #45

Ah, now the true poster comes out! Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #52

Not their first rodeo pintobean Nov 2015 #60

As I said.. virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #59

Come and take them? GGJohn Nov 2015 #86

It's at this point everyone on this board should stop taking you seriously. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #144

Not gonna happen and most would oppose it, but yes i absolutely would support it. n/t Daniel537 Nov 2015 #35

Thank You Yallow Nov 2015 #56

I own a few guns (fewer than ten). Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #70

F - Yeah Yallow Nov 2015 #245

You may have misunderstood my post. Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #261

So you are saying you will always keep your guns. beardown Nov 2015 #192

As a 2naSalit Nov 2015 #40

Turn Them All In For $$ Yallow Nov 2015 #46

Not for sale, or not for sale at a price your willing to pay..NT virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #62

I could go for that too... 2naSalit Nov 2015 #67

Yes. I would support it. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #51

The Powers That Be - Consider This - Culling The Herd - Will Never Happen cantbeserious Nov 2015 #54

We should try! mwrguy Nov 2015 #55

Can't Ban 2nd Amendment Yallow Nov 2015 #65

Yes we can mwrguy Nov 2015 #73

Yep: it's provided for in the system. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #79

Ahhh, NO..... virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #99

Not really.. virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #66

Would You Give Yours Up If Everyone Else Gave Up Theirs To Save 229 Billion A Year? Yallow Nov 2015 #74

Not a qestion of need.. virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #88

Owners die, and if transfer is illegal then that gun will be collected and destroyed mwrguy Nov 2015 #78

Only if the entity responsible for collecting knows it exists. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #82

No one knows what all I have.. virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #92

There is no legal means to do that. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #104

Not yet mwrguy Nov 2015 #187

Any legislature can pass any law. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #211

Amend the Constitution mwrguy Nov 2015 #216

It's not even that simple. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #232

Repealing the second would not remove the right. The bill of rights grants no rights. X_Digger Nov 2015 #123

They really are not "very well briefed" on the subject are they? virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #134

Scary thing is that they think rights can just be arbitrarily rubbed out. X_Digger Nov 2015 #156

This simply don't understand what: virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #185

Why not make them just like cars? greymattermom Nov 2015 #83

Crazy Paranoid Psychopaths Could Own Guns Yallow Nov 2015 #97

you have to pass some sort of test to be able to drive a car greymattermom Nov 2015 #172

Not true. beevul Nov 2015 #269

Just my personal opinion: America simply can't handle guns. Whatever the reason,.. BlueJazz Nov 2015 #102

Australia could do it because it has no manufacturers TexasBushwhacker Nov 2015 #103

If it included those carried by police? Possibly. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #105

No. n/t Yo_Mama Nov 2015 #108

We could save even more by taking away cars. Way more if we ban alcohol LittleBlue Nov 2015 #110

Not possible and a bad idea even if it was possible tularetom Nov 2015 #112

Everyone talks about how powerful the NRA and gun lobby is today Calista241 Nov 2015 #118

Absolutely YES!!!!! gopiscrap Nov 2015 #127

Wow!!!! GGJohn Nov 2015 #131

You do realize many Democrats own guns? virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #140

If that were the case... Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #147

Will never happen Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #137

As long as some people hunt for food, Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #148

Disagree. Never Won't and can't happen. Keeping my guns. Throd Nov 2015 #158

We have the technology to fight crime sarisataka Nov 2015 #162

Not a gun owner myself, but I love the idea that good citizens in this country have the freedom to BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #166

175 replies, 0 recs pintobean Nov 2015 #176

A Lot Of People Are Afraid Of Doing What Needs Done Yallow Nov 2015 #189

Spare us the bullshit amateur psychoanalysis. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #196

Lol. Nope, not fear. pintobean Nov 2015 #201

Why do you own a gun? Why are you not giving it up? uppityperson Nov 2015 #244

As others have already indicated, two-thirds of firearms deaths are suicides, branford Nov 2015 #188

Zero Guns = Zero Gun Deaths - Math Works For Me Yallow Nov 2015 #191

Hold on..., now you're effectively suggesting we "uninvent" firearms. branford Nov 2015 #209

But "gun ownership illegal" does not mean "zero guns" Recursion Nov 2015 #236

I don't think Australia Snow Leopard Nov 2015 #195

If told that my hand gun was illegal SadWingsOfDestiny Nov 2015 #197

A victim of changes? pintobean Nov 2015 #206

Yet you would allow the police and military to keep theirs? eom. GGJohn Nov 2015 #208

Police States would die for citizens like that. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #213

I will give this question the thought it deserves Android3.14 Nov 2015 #207

No! We must take away pain-killers from the infirm instead! WinkyDink Nov 2015 #217

Nope, don't agree at all. And 2/3's of those deaths are suicide. You think that will stop people? Waldorf Nov 2015 #226

Nope! Would not support this. NT canosoviejo Nov 2015 #230

Thank You For All Your Responses Yallow Nov 2015 #247

We're disturbed because we believe in the Right to Keep and Bear Arms? GGJohn Nov 2015 #248

Cold dead hands mode. I get it. You are a poster child for the NRA. nt Logical Nov 2015 #252

LOL. GGJohn Nov 2015 #253

I own guns and shoot guns but admit there is a issue with guns in this country. People like you..... Logical Nov 2015 #254

"I imagine you would vote GOP over DEM over the gun issue." GGJohn Nov 2015 #255

Disturbed Yallow Nov 2015 #262

"I just don't believe "nothing can be done" attitudes." Uh huh. beevul Nov 2015 #270

There are 9000 gun murders. The others are suicide. They would happen either way. nt Logical Nov 2015 #250

1. Not possible; 2. As effective as banning all abortions Panich52 Nov 2015 #268

Never going to happen and you know it steve2470 Nov 2015 #274