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haele

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36. Abortion cannot be used as contraception. There was already a conception.

Sun Nov 29, 2015, 04:22 PM

Nov 2015

Contraception is a process by which a pregnancy is kept from occurring. The choice of abstinence is just as much contraception as taking a pill to keep a fertilized egg from implanting and start the actual conception process...
The OP makes it clear that Abortion is a birth control procedure that is specifically "after the fact" for an unwanted or unviable pregnancy. Basically, abortion can be used for family planning as well as a strictly medical (health of mother or fetus). The few times abortion used as retro-active contraception is basically inconsequential when compared to the times majority of the time abortion is the difficult choice made for the best-outcome health and well-being of a woman or the woman's family (including the raising of current and future children).

I always laugh at the moral hypocrisy when anti-choice people lump contraception with their pro-birth/protecting the baby reasons.
Doing so has always ended up proving that the anti-choice argument is about control of a woman's sexual activity and keeping the family planning as a man's choice.
Any concern for a fetus or "precious life" is secondary to ensuring that punishment the original sin of being a woman is maintained.
It's always a morality argument, never a health or child well-being argument.

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I am pro-abortion, not just pro-choice: 10 reasons why we must support the procedure and the choice [View all] PeaceNikki Nov 2015 OP

+1000000000000000000000 randys1 Nov 2015 #1

add some 000000's for me, too wordpix Nov 2015 #126

k and r Kali Nov 2015 #2

"Pro-choice" is just fine with me. Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #3

You clearly didn't read anything beyond the headline. And even struggled getting through that. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #4

To clarify, Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #6

But you added the snotty, "Why not let the woman make her own decision?" question PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #7

Do you think Hillary and Bernie should start calling themselves "pro-abortion" Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #11

I think you should stop being shady. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #12

If "shady" means being pro-choice without calling oneself "pro-abortion", Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #14

Who the fuck were you asking this question to: "Why not let the woman make her own decision?" PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #16

Yeah, that question sums it up, dont it. randys1 Nov 2015 #130

Pro-choice is all inclusive, imho... because, in the end, it IS the woman's choice secondwind Nov 2015 #44

I get that. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #46

I will happily say in public enlightenment Nov 2015 #9

Would you like Hillary and Bernie to refer to themselves as "pro-abortion"? Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #81

Deflection. enlightenment Nov 2015 #85

Nobody ever answers that question. Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #90

I would *love* if they could/would say they are pro abortion. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #100

You are trying to attribute something to me that I don't and will never have. A Simple Game Nov 2015 #105

ok. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #106

"Nye is the resident contrarian" Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #114

Pro abortion, that sounds awful, doesn't it? Stellar Nov 2015 #101

Becuse it's a stupid, asinine question that it totally irrelevant to the point of the OP. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #115

In the heat of a presidential primary season, Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #118

Yes, it's stupid and asinine because this OP isn't about that at all. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #124

Exactly. 7962 Nov 2015 #15

I, for one, do not give two shits about what's "fine" with you. Heidi Nov 2015 #41

Jury results Goblinmonger Nov 2015 #80

Yes, because that's what we're doing, "pressuring" women to get abortions. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #78

The only way a woman has ever had that decision made for her is when she is NOT allowed to have cui bono Nov 2015 #87

You've never heard of a man getting a woman pregnant, Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #88

Point taken. However, that does not negate abortion being a positive thing to have available cui bono Nov 2015 #93

There ARE men who force women to have abortions. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2015 #91

That's a horrible experience to have to have gone through. cui bono Nov 2015 #94

Wait- why were you paying him child support??? ncjustice80 Nov 2015 #97

You believe a father should not have custody unless the mother is abusive? missingthebigdog Nov 2015 #102

No. ncjustice80 Dec 2015 #133

Wow. I have no words. missingthebigdog Dec 2015 #134

As I said, I was quite ILL for several years. I was in and out of the hospital and ER. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2015 #132

I think all forms of birth control should be LuvNewcastle Nov 2015 #5

+++ Ditto. Along with vasectomies and tubal ligations. erronis Nov 2015 #40

+1. I've never understood why vasectomies are not required to be covered under the ACA, Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #79

Becuase they are cheaper, and frankly, men don't need the help. n/t ncjustice80 Nov 2015 #98

A vasectomy is much less invasive and complicated than a tubal ligation. Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #112

i am pro-abortion also. proudly. mopinko Nov 2015 #8

I agree. enlightenment Nov 2015 #10

Moi aussi malthaussen Nov 2015 #13

Abortion benefits the public good. Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #17

K&R! marym625 Nov 2015 #18

Your post emphasizes something important ... eppur_se_muova Nov 2015 #19

People who call themselves supporters of abortion rights fall into this trap, too. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #20

My former SIL was "casual" TexasBushwhacker Nov 2015 #23

Losing her first child to adoption may have been part of the reason for her mental health problems. StevieM Nov 2015 #58

She did have an open adoption TexasBushwhacker Nov 2015 #61

A woman came in for her third abortion in 1 year. In talking with her, it came out that she was in a uppityperson Nov 2015 #60

K&R stage left Nov 2015 #21

I'll go you one better. http://fundabortionnow.org/ eggplant Nov 2015 #22

Thank you for reposting this. I missed it the first time around chowder66 Nov 2015 #24

My pleasure and I agree, it's a beautiful piece and every single point sound and important. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #27

I too wish more would read the whole piece, it's not that long. The writer's points are important. chowder66 Nov 2015 #62

Me, too. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #25

and humans are the Marty McGraw Nov 2015 #73

Sime of the analogies used are not comparable, but most important not one word is mentioned about still_one Nov 2015 #26

Then you didn't read the whole piece. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #28

I only read the OP, and didn't select the link within the OP. I will do so now. Thanks still_one Nov 2015 #37

Well, contraception was implied in that in the "when all else fails" portion. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #39

Abortion cannot be used as contraception. There was already a conception. haele Nov 2015 #36

I agree, they are different tools, but abortion could be avoided in many cases if proper still_one Nov 2015 #38

7. I�m pro-abortion because contraceptives are imperfect, and people are too. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #42

I have always been pro-choice. I am a guy so it is none of my business what a woman wants to do still_one Nov 2015 #43

True that... haele Nov 2015 #65

Yes, there are always exception. When the pill is used correctly it is 99% effective. Condoms when still_one Nov 2015 #83

In the real world, 1 in 11 women relying on the Pill gets pregnant each year. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #84

I never said I was against abortion or access to abortion. The only thing I said was that it still_one Nov 2015 #95

K&R! Solly Mack Nov 2015 #29

Thanks to posts like yours, I've come to realize that I'm pro-abortion AND pro-choice. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #30

That's awesome. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #31

Unwanted children have a very difficult life especially if they are raised by the mothers who did Dont call me Shirley Nov 2015 #32

It's true. It's cruel for the child, the parent and many other family members. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #33

It is very cruel to the unwanted child and to the mother of that child. It's a drain on society. This Dont call me Shirley Nov 2015 #55

Reason #11.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #34

:) PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #35

LOL PADemD Nov 2015 #48

K&R smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #45

I think abortions should be available leftyladyfrommo Nov 2015 #47

Giving birth is far more stressful, painful and takes far longer to recover from. REP Nov 2015 #49

I am not pro-knee replacement or pro-chemotherapy. pnwmom Nov 2015 #50

I�m pro-abortion because contraceptives are imperfect, and people are too. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #52

Why not? Why would anyone not be pro-necessary medical procedure? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #59

K&R CharlotteVale Nov 2015 #51

I am pro women's right to make their own decisions. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #53

Amen. And that includes abortion. So we are also pro abortion. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #54

If that is what a woman any decides, it should be legal Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #56

Yes. Proudly pro-abortion here! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #57

Sing it, sister! PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #63

100% agree! hifiguy Nov 2015 #64

KNR "Safe and *rare* is not an acceptable framework. n/t DirkGently Nov 2015 #66

Yup. My feelings on that are fairly well known here. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #67

Mine too...I don't find that Clinton frame acceptable. haikugal Nov 2015 #89

It's also the Obama frame. Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #127

Excellent. No one objects when we disturb "God's plan" by extending life. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #68

They interject with reproductive freedom because of the core tenants on Christianity include a woman PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #69

K&R LostOne4Ever Nov 2015 #70

K & R !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #71

�Whatever is my right as a man is also the right of another; and it becomes my duty to guarantee as Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #72

I remember your last op earlier this year, I believe. Quackers Nov 2015 #74

That's between women and their doctors. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #75

Ok Quackers Nov 2015 #76

It's a medical decision. People should involve who they want to in their medical decisions. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #77

Well said roody Nov 2015 #82

And what about burrowowl Nov 2015 #86

If men could get pregnant they'd finally understand what choice is all about. SheilaT Nov 2015 #92

One nitpick (I otherwise agree wholeheartedly!) ncjustice80 Nov 2015 #96

Welp, I just became pro abortion. nt retrowire Nov 2015 #99

It's OK, you're in a safe place. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #104

:) retrowire Nov 2015 #120

KNR...n/t Hepburn Nov 2015 #103

Point 10 is particularly powerful to me. Pacifist Patriot Nov 2015 #107

I am sorry but I have to say that humbled_opinion Nov 2015 #108

If you're really pro choice, you are, too. You're just too scared to say the words. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #109

Yes I get all of that... humbled_opinion Nov 2015 #111

Also, no, my goal is not to reduce abortions. Absolutely not. I don't want it "rarer". PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #110

Yep, and almost nobody on this thread would loudly proclaim in public that they are "pro-abortion", Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #113

Obama is responsible for removing that phrase from the party platform in 2008. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #116

"Obama Uses "Safe, Legal and Rare" Term in Answering Question on Abortion" (2010) Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #121

Yeah, and you know my feelings on that. But it *was* removed from the party platform. Progress! PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #123

You, as a private individual can take this position, but for a politician, it would be disastrous karynnj Nov 2015 #117

That is what I fight for. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #122

There is a huge difference in the meanings of the word karynnj Nov 2015 #129

You're "implicitly assuming". I am discussing. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #131

The onslaught of bullshit starting with the "Pro-choice is fine with me" wisecrack... SpankMe Nov 2015 #119

k and r and thanks for reposting this. niyad Nov 2015 #125

Me too, PeaceNikki. nt DLevine Nov 2015 #128