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Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
190. My (more detailed) take on open carry.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 04:30 PM
Nov 2015

Basically, I like for a local jurisdiction to have the right to make its own call on open carry. What's a really bad idea in one place may well be common and harmless in another. In some rural areas, open carry is fairly commonplace, whether for hunting or just a common, day-to-day practice. It doesn't draw much notice, and these places aren't commonly hotbeds of violent crime (or at least shootings...domestic violence stats can be another matter).

In other places, open carry is genuinely jarring, since it's basically never seen. Open carry in such places seems to be done largely as a political statement...and it's laughably counterproductive. And obviously as a personal security measure, it's tactically mindless ("hey, Mr. Person-with-Bad-Intent, you'll want to shoot me first!&quot . My city (Portland) and county (Multnomah) prohibit open carry, but it's legal by state law. Local jurisdictions have an explicit exemption from state-level gun law preemption specifically for open carry, and are free to ban the practice. This policy works for me...

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Not even remotely possible GGJohn Nov 2015 #1
But toting is almost impossible, and no one would be allowed to fill up 4 gun safes Hoyt Nov 2015 #4
Judging by how you ALWAYS mention my safes, GGJohn Nov 2015 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Yallow Nov 2015 #10
Nope, you are just an example of gun excess and the 1%ers in gunz. Hoyt Nov 2015 #39
We have differences of opinion of excessess. GGJohn Nov 2015 #47
Have Any Of Your Children Been Shot? Yallow Nov 2015 #95
I've been shot, yet I still believe in the RKBA, GGJohn Nov 2015 #106
My Friend Shot My Friend Drinking On Purpose Yallow Nov 2015 #117
How do you know in a drunken rage, it wouldn't have happened with some other means/ GGJohn Nov 2015 #120
Guns make it sooooo much easier for acts of impulsive violence, but you knew that. nt Electric Monk Nov 2015 #121
Anything can be used for an act of impulsive violence, but you knew that. eom. GGJohn Nov 2015 #124
easier (adj) - achieved without great effort; presenting few difficulties. nt Electric Monk Nov 2015 #125
Regardless, a firearm isn't needed to injure or kill someone in an act of impulsive violence, GGJohn Nov 2015 #126
Easier. Easier. Easier. Say it with me: Easier. nt Electric Monk Nov 2015 #130
Ok. GGJohn Nov 2015 #135
If you're talking easier, then the scale ends at alcohol. beevul Nov 2015 #264
When is the last time someone alcoholed someone else to death, or went postal with their 40oz? nt Electric Monk Nov 2015 #265
See DUI fatalities. beevul Nov 2015 #267
So it's the heavy machinery being operated that killed someone else, not the alcohol. Electric Monk Nov 2015 #275
Easier. Easier. Easier. Say it with me: Easier. nt beevul Nov 2015 #276
I read about DUI related deaths every day. GGJohn Nov 2015 #272
My Point Electric Monk Yallow Nov 2015 #133
If they are all legal why not? Somebody have 10 safes so what? Waldorf Nov 2015 #227
Since 2/3's of those deaths are suicides it is likely they would seek other means.. EX500rider Nov 2015 #2
Less Lethal Means Yallow Nov 2015 #7
Lots of lethal ways if they are serious... EX500rider Nov 2015 #9
The Japanese sure have seemed to find ways other than firearms to commit suicide. GGJohn Nov 2015 #61
Nothing is as quick and effective as a gun. TexasBushwhacker Nov 2015 #96
Jumping from a high place is just as effective. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #116
Ever Heard The Term "Talking Them Down"? Yallow Nov 2015 #136
If they are on a ledge, they are not serious and want the attention. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #138
But The Gun Is So Much More Glamorous.... Yallow Nov 2015 #150
What was Robin Williams method of choice? NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #157
RW had Parkinson's disease TexasBushwhacker Nov 2015 #251
Jump off a building is just as quick. davidn3600 Nov 2015 #174
Numbers don't lie TexasBushwhacker Nov 2015 #249
Yeah but if you take away the gun, the other methods will rise dramatically davidn3600 Nov 2015 #258
As evidenced in Japan and S. Korea, GGJohn Nov 2015 #259
Ban all Alcohol-88,000 deaths per year Travis_0004 Nov 2015 #3
Ah, because we allow alcohol, we can't restrict gunz. I read Zman saying something like Hoyt Nov 2015 #5
What does "Zman" have to do with anything, Hoyt? pintobean Nov 2015 #8
No. Travis_0004 Nov 2015 #12
Making Alcohol Treatment Free Would Save 90% Of These Lives Possibly Yallow Nov 2015 #17
Tried it in the 1920's.....failure! yeoman6987 Nov 2015 #141
Our Whole Culture Glamorizes Getting Drunk Yallow Nov 2015 #153
What the hell does Zimmerman have to do with this? GGJohn Nov 2015 #15
Simple -- Most gunners are a Zman waiting to happen. Hoyt Nov 2015 #36
What utter bullshit!!!! GGJohn Nov 2015 #48
Consider the source. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #58
Oh, there's no doubt it's entertaining, GGJohn Nov 2015 #64
If you have a gun or 2 strapped on, a hero mentality, train to shoot people, display paranoia/fear, Hoyt Nov 2015 #81
Hoyt, you just get funnier and funnier. GGJohn Nov 2015 #93
Keep 'em coming LittleBlue Nov 2015 #113
Hoyt Is Spon On - Zimmerman Types Looking For A Reason To Shoot Someone Yallow Nov 2015 #119
Which is a tiny fraction of firearm owners. GGJohn Nov 2015 #122
If The 2/3 Of Americans Who Don't Own Firearms Voted To Take Them Away - Yes Yallow Nov 2015 #128
Our Republic isn't set up to allow such a thing. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #146
What If The Minority Causes 13,000 Deaths A Year? 33,000? Yallow Nov 2015 #184
The vast majority of firearms owners aren't causing those deaths, GGJohn Nov 2015 #186
It is what it is. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #210
Pretending that there is any "unlimited access to unlimited weapons" doesn't help. beevul Nov 2015 #266
Yes, I really need my firearms. GGJohn Nov 2015 #149
You Hunt For Fun Not Food - Live Traps For Predators Yallow Nov 2015 #163
Very obviously you're trolling for a hide here, it's so transparent. GGJohn Nov 2015 #167
And If Someone Steals Your Guns And Goes On A Rampage Yallow Nov 2015 #177
So you hunt for fun? GGJohn Nov 2015 #179
I Am Not Accusing Anyone Yallow Nov 2015 #181
You didn't accuse me of hunting for fun instead of food? GGJohn Nov 2015 #182
It's already illegal for someone ADJUDICATED as a danger to themselves or others branford Nov 2015 #193
If I had my way, and it was my decision, I would make all criminals disappear. Waldorf Nov 2015 #231
Two wolves and a sheep voting on the dinner menu? Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #151
"Do you really need your guns if the nut jobs and criminals can't find, or have them?" EX500rider Nov 2015 #175
I'll keep my firearms. If you don't want to have anything to do with them, don't buy any. Waldorf Nov 2015 #229
I've got a resource for anyone who thinks all gun owners are eager to murder LittleBlue Nov 2015 #139
I thought it was Arizona Watermelon flavored Packerowner740 Nov 2015 #238
LOL!!!!! virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #111
That has to be one of the most ridiculous statements I've read. I guess you have interviewed tens of Waldorf Nov 2015 #228
That post should have come with a drink warning! ManiacJoe Nov 2015 #240
Unless you have a magic wand, that's simply not going to happen. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #11
I don't think that is the issue here, what it is really about is the impossible logistics of collect Rex Nov 2015 #13
Not Impossible Yallow Nov 2015 #14
Yes and I said I am all ears to the plan to do such a thing. Rex Nov 2015 #16
Ban - Guns - Easy Yallow Nov 2015 #19
So what do you do when 50 million people refuse to turn them in and file lawsuits against the govt? Rex Nov 2015 #23
Let's Start The Conversation Yallow Nov 2015 #41
When were U.S. citizens not allowed to possess firearms? Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #44
When It Became Obvious It Is Harmful Yallow Nov 2015 #69
So when are you going to turn your's in? eom. GGJohn Nov 2015 #75
When did that happen (guns not legal to possess in the U.S.)? Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #94
Link To 229 Billion A Year Estimate Yallow Nov 2015 #142
Seems more of an indictment of the medical and legal industries than of guns. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #154
My Problem Is This Also Isn't Being Discussed - Why The Media Blackout? - 229 Billion A Year Yallow Nov 2015 #145
You say you own firearms? GGJohn Nov 2015 #68
And Be Completely Unarmed In A Country Full Of Psychopath Nut Jobs? Not Ready.... Yallow Nov 2015 #80
Ok. GGJohn Nov 2015 #89
We Need Cars / Knives - We Don't Need Guns Yallow Nov 2015 #155
Millions of Americans depend on firearms to put meat on their tables. GGJohn Nov 2015 #169
Strong gun laws make countries safe Travis_0004 Nov 2015 #260
"Americans obviously can't handle guns." The only thing "obvious" about that is that it's nonsense. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #76
And The Crazies Kill The Children Of The "Responsible" Gun Owners Every Damn Day Yallow Nov 2015 #91
Um...okay. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #114
If Your Child Was Shot By And Untreated Crazy Person Yallow Nov 2015 #194
No, that's emphatically NOT how politics works. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #198
I see you're now changing your tune. GGJohn Nov 2015 #199
Tell me what you know about the word "militia" and its etymology... what did it mean in the 1700s? cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #87
"Americans obviously can't handle guns." EX500rider Nov 2015 #180
I'd say Americans handle guns quite well. 80-100 million gun owners of 310+ million firearms. When Waldorf Nov 2015 #234
Same thing they usually do... post pictures of AC-130 Gunships. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #84
"Give all the gun owners $$ from the 229 billion saved." EX500rider Nov 2015 #178
How many deaths would it be worth to try to round up all the firearms in this country? GGJohn Nov 2015 #18
Absolutely: tens of millions would ignore such a law. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #24
It would start a civil war imo. Rex Nov 2015 #28
I concur. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #30
I agree. We can wish something to be practical all we want to, won't change reality any. Rex Nov 2015 #34
Better yet...what do you do with the 50 million people that refuse to hand them over? Rex Nov 2015 #25
Break The Law - Go To Jail Yallow Nov 2015 #42
They Say All Laws Won't Help - No Laws Could Have Stopped It - Their Gun Defense Yallow Nov 2015 #43
Unenforceable laws don't solve problems, they create them. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #63
Have to get caught first. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #49
20%? Where do you get that? pintobean Nov 2015 #50
Laugh out loud. Like that stopped the drugs... NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #53
80% of Americans don't own firearms? GGJohn Nov 2015 #71
When you talk about restricting gunz, you see just how UNlaw-abiding gunners are. Not a one of them Hoyt Nov 2015 #72
More pure comedy gold. GGJohn Nov 2015 #77
This just in: people resist unjust/idiotic laws. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #85
You're talking to a group of people taught Thoreau's Resistance to Civil Government NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #90
If you think you need guns to fight the government, you're mentally unfit to own guns Electric Monk Nov 2015 #159
You clearly have no idea what the essay is about. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #160
Hmm, I thought this sub-thread was about not giving up your guns to a tyranical gov't. Silly me. nt Electric Monk Nov 2015 #164
That doesn't mean they are needed to fight the government. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #168
Speaking as a stoner, prohibition doesn't work. Throd Nov 2015 #171
Might as well start somewhere; otherwise you'll be saying "500 million firearms" in 2030. Hoyt Nov 2015 #38
I can understand the frustration and what you say it true. Rex Nov 2015 #239
Not a chance. beevul Nov 2015 #20
So We Just Keep Having Funerals For The Innocent Right? Surrender Right? Yallow Nov 2015 #241
Why should I, as a responsible firearm owner who's firearms have never been a part of that cost, GGJohn Nov 2015 #242
You said you own at least 1 gun so are you including yourself? uppityperson Nov 2015 #243
The only thing I agree with is heavy penalties for misuse. And I think we already have that, but Waldorf Nov 2015 #246
Yours is a solution to guns, not a solution to gun violence. beevul Nov 2015 #263
He sure sounds familiar, like I have heard him before. oneshooter Nov 2015 #271
I doubt that would be a good idea, all told Recursion Nov 2015 #21
Easily obtained instructions and 3D printing have made that idea more of an obsolete... Shandris Nov 2015 #22
It will never happen, of course, but I don't see any reason why we can't regulate Vinca Nov 2015 #26
Are you saying that all semi-automatic guns should be made illegal to own? Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #37
Yes, that's what I'm saying. Vinca Nov 2015 #98
Why won't you volunteer to go door to door? Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #101
I'm afraid I'll get shot by one of the crazies. Vinca Nov 2015 #107
So you think it is a good idea to put Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #109
That's what they get paid for. Vinca Nov 2015 #132
You think LEOs are paid to Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #200
There are restrictions on many things. Vinca Nov 2015 #204
Actually you can yell fire in a crowded movie theater. It isn't illegal. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #212
Great. Maybe I'll purchase a nuke for the backyard. Vinca Nov 2015 #222
Uh huh, Freedom of Speech = Backyard nuke. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #225
There is a lot that can be done short Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #215
I'm sorry. I don't understand gun worshippers. Vinca Nov 2015 #221
I don't understand gun worshipers either. Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #237
There are tens (if not hundreds) of millions of semi-automatics already out there. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #57
Well, let's just continue to be sitting ducks then. Vinca Nov 2015 #100
It's not an "either/or" situation. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #115
I love that good old American spirit of yours. "No we can't, no we can't." Vinca Nov 2015 #129
Wow...did you even bother reading my reply? Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #143
But that doesn't mean we shouldn't aim for the top and not the middle. Vinca Nov 2015 #152
Sure. But "aiming for the top" isn't something I WANT to succeed. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #161
I can't argue you with you anymore. It makes my BP rise. Vinca Nov 2015 #165
Besides cops and the military, GGJohn Nov 2015 #170
Do you ever watch the news? Vinca Nov 2015 #202
Lovely straw man ya got there. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #173
This past week in Wisconsin forthemiddle Nov 2015 #183
My (more detailed) take on open carry. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #190
I find it amusing a "hunter" has to use a semi-automatic weapon. Vinca Nov 2015 #203
On top of bolt action rifles, GGJohn Nov 2015 #205
And what the heck. With that kind of fire power who has to aim? Vinca Nov 2015 #218
Never been a hunter have you? GGJohn Nov 2015 #220
If you don't need to "spray" the bullets, what's the point of having the AR platform? Vinca Nov 2015 #223
Because the AR platform is an ergonomic, easy to use platform GGJohn Nov 2015 #224
No they aren't, and the AR is not an assault weapon. They lack the automatic part. Waldorf Nov 2015 #235
Every hunter wants a one shot kill for game. Instead of cycling the bolt myself, the semi-automatic Waldorf Nov 2015 #233
Regardless of what you find amuzing forthemiddle Nov 2015 #214
Our local news just had a story about police investigating a domestic violence case. Vinca Nov 2015 #219
Guns back in GD? Oh, wait... Never left.... Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #32
Oh, in answer to the OP. No. Not even a good idea. nt Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #29
Did Australia take away rifles too? There are still hunters in America, and rifles are harder to yurbud Nov 2015 #31
All firearms must be licensed TexasBushwhacker Nov 2015 #256
"BTW, suicide by firearm has fallen by 2/3 in Australia." GGJohn Nov 2015 #257
Yes, but the overall rate is still down TexasBushwhacker Nov 2015 #273
lol!!! Tell another funny joke! virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #33
Come And Take Them Yallow Nov 2015 #45
Ah, now the true poster comes out! Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #52
Not their first rodeo pintobean Nov 2015 #60
As I said.. virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #59
Come and take them? GGJohn Nov 2015 #86
It's at this point everyone on this board should stop taking you seriously. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #144
Not gonna happen and most would oppose it, but yes i absolutely would support it. n/t Daniel537 Nov 2015 #35
Thank You Yallow Nov 2015 #56
I own a few guns (fewer than ten). Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #70
F - Yeah Yallow Nov 2015 #245
You may have misunderstood my post. Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #261
So you are saying you will always keep your guns. beardown Nov 2015 #192
As a 2naSalit Nov 2015 #40
Turn Them All In For $$ Yallow Nov 2015 #46
Not for sale, or not for sale at a price your willing to pay..NT virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #62
I could go for that too... 2naSalit Nov 2015 #67
Yes. I would support it. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #51
The Powers That Be - Consider This - Culling The Herd - Will Never Happen cantbeserious Nov 2015 #54
We should try! mwrguy Nov 2015 #55
Can't Ban 2nd Amendment Yallow Nov 2015 #65
Yes we can mwrguy Nov 2015 #73
Yep: it's provided for in the system. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #79
Ahhh, NO..... virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #99
Not really.. virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #66
Would You Give Yours Up If Everyone Else Gave Up Theirs To Save 229 Billion A Year? Yallow Nov 2015 #74
Not a qestion of need.. virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #88
Owners die, and if transfer is illegal then that gun will be collected and destroyed mwrguy Nov 2015 #78
Only if the entity responsible for collecting knows it exists. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #82
No one knows what all I have.. virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #92
There is no legal means to do that. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #104
Not yet mwrguy Nov 2015 #187
Any legislature can pass any law. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #211
Amend the Constitution mwrguy Nov 2015 #216
It's not even that simple. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #232
Repealing the second would not remove the right. The bill of rights grants no rights. X_Digger Nov 2015 #123
They really are not "very well briefed" on the subject are they? virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #134
Scary thing is that they think rights can just be arbitrarily rubbed out. X_Digger Nov 2015 #156
This simply don't understand what: virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #185
Why not make them just like cars? greymattermom Nov 2015 #83
Crazy Paranoid Psychopaths Could Own Guns Yallow Nov 2015 #97
you have to pass some sort of test to be able to drive a car greymattermom Nov 2015 #172
Not true. beevul Nov 2015 #269
Just my personal opinion: America simply can't handle guns. Whatever the reason,.. BlueJazz Nov 2015 #102
Australia could do it because it has no manufacturers TexasBushwhacker Nov 2015 #103
If it included those carried by police? Possibly. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #105
No. n/t Yo_Mama Nov 2015 #108
We could save even more by taking away cars. Way more if we ban alcohol LittleBlue Nov 2015 #110
Not possible and a bad idea even if it was possible tularetom Nov 2015 #112
Everyone talks about how powerful the NRA and gun lobby is today Calista241 Nov 2015 #118
Absolutely YES!!!!! gopiscrap Nov 2015 #127
Wow!!!! GGJohn Nov 2015 #131
You do realize many Democrats own guns? virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #140
If that were the case... Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #147
Will never happen Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #137
As long as some people hunt for food, Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #148
Disagree. Never Won't and can't happen. Keeping my guns. Throd Nov 2015 #158
We have the technology to fight crime sarisataka Nov 2015 #162
Not a gun owner myself, but I love the idea that good citizens in this country have the freedom to BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #166
175 replies, 0 recs pintobean Nov 2015 #176
A Lot Of People Are Afraid Of Doing What Needs Done Yallow Nov 2015 #189
Spare us the bullshit amateur psychoanalysis. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #196
Lol. Nope, not fear. pintobean Nov 2015 #201
Why do you own a gun? Why are you not giving it up? uppityperson Nov 2015 #244
As others have already indicated, two-thirds of firearms deaths are suicides, branford Nov 2015 #188
Zero Guns = Zero Gun Deaths - Math Works For Me Yallow Nov 2015 #191
Hold on..., now you're effectively suggesting we "uninvent" firearms. branford Nov 2015 #209
But "gun ownership illegal" does not mean "zero guns" Recursion Nov 2015 #236
I don't think Australia Snow Leopard Nov 2015 #195
If told that my hand gun was illegal SadWingsOfDestiny Nov 2015 #197
A victim of changes? pintobean Nov 2015 #206
Yet you would allow the police and military to keep theirs? eom. GGJohn Nov 2015 #208
Police States would die for citizens like that. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #213
I will give this question the thought it deserves Android3.14 Nov 2015 #207
No! We must take away pain-killers from the infirm instead! WinkyDink Nov 2015 #217
Nope, don't agree at all. And 2/3's of those deaths are suicide. You think that will stop people? Waldorf Nov 2015 #226
Nope! Would not support this. NT canosoviejo Nov 2015 #230
Thank You For All Your Responses Yallow Nov 2015 #247
We're disturbed because we believe in the Right to Keep and Bear Arms? GGJohn Nov 2015 #248
Cold dead hands mode. I get it. You are a poster child for the NRA. nt Logical Nov 2015 #252
LOL. GGJohn Nov 2015 #253
I own guns and shoot guns but admit there is a issue with guns in this country. People like you..... Logical Nov 2015 #254
"I imagine you would vote GOP over DEM over the gun issue." GGJohn Nov 2015 #255
Disturbed Yallow Nov 2015 #262
"I just don't believe "nothing can be done" attitudes." Uh huh. beevul Nov 2015 #270
There are 9000 gun murders. The others are suicide. They would happen either way. nt Logical Nov 2015 #250
1. Not possible; 2. As effective as banning all abortions Panich52 Nov 2015 #268
Never going to happen and you know it steve2470 Nov 2015 #274
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