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3. I'd say its because the deck is stacked greater and greater against you...

Reply to madamesilverspurs (Original post)

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 09:09 PM

Dec 2015

...the less money you start off with these days. The basic necessities (rent and food) costs are too damn high to save anything meaningful. Is there any wonder why such a high percentage of middle class millenials go back to their parents to live for like 5 years? Cuz nothing is affordable even with a BS degree (and those student loan payments).

The poorer you are at this point in time, the more the deck is stacked against you. At some point of income and debt load there is a level playing field... but that is really high up there. Even if you were to bring in say $300K/year combined salary for a family of 4, you end up paying the same total $ in taxes as someone who happened to inherit a $1M stock portfolio. In that situation, the deck is even stacked against the $300K/year income family. And as I said, the less you make, the more it is stacked against you at this point in our countries time.

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Why Poor People Stay Poor [View all] madamesilverspurs Dec 2015 OP

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