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In reply to the discussion: Do you think the US foreign policy establishment are in the cahoots with the Islamic State? [View all]951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)4. Yes
The plan has always been to supply them with training, weapons and money then set them loose to destabilize countries and slaughter millions for a few years then come in with tanks, drones and bombs to finish off whats left while making an insane profit from the conquered land.
The "founding fathers" would be proud of the mass genocide the military industrial complex was able to accomplish against the indigenous population in a matter of a few years using these mercenaries for hire and contractors.

and...

Video: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/syria-arming-the-rebels/
NARRATOR: But in recent weeks, they have been receiving more sophisticated weapons. It appears the Obama administration is now allowing select groups of rebels like them to receive U.S.-made anti-tank missiles, known as TOWs. Many of the fighters have filmed themselves firing the missiles. In addition to receiving weapons, the commander says he and his men were taken on a long journey to a secret training camp.
REBEL COMMANDER: [through interpreter] They asked for a group of 80 or 90 fighters from our command, and we headed towards the Turkish border.
NARRATOR: Based on their accounts, we retraced their journey across the border into Turkey. After a 14-hour drive, they say they arrived in the Turkish capital of Ankara and were brought to a hotel. They were kept inside and questioned by Americans, who would only say they were from the military. But the rebels believed they were from the CIA.
REBEL COMMANDER: [through interpreter] We met them for six to seven hours a day. It was medical examinations, questions for each person individually, like, When did you join the uprising? And What was your profession or military rank?
They had tracked our work and asked us to verify information about attacks we carried out, such as who was present and how many men were martyred. Your responses have to match the entire groups.
NARRATOR: A week later, the rebels say they were surprised by what happened next.
REBEL COMMANDER: [through interpreter] We only found out where we were going to be trained on the last day in Ankara, when the Americans said goodbye and that, Tomorrow, well see you in Qatar.
NARRATOR: They were flown 1,500 miles away to Doha, the capital of Qatar, which is a key U.S. ally in the Persian Gulf.
REBEL COMMANDER: [through interpreter] We drove for about two, two-and-a-half hours to reach the training ground. It was close to the Saudi border. We didnt know where we were because it was desert all around.
NARRATOR: Over the course of three weeks, they say they were trained by Americans at a base in the desert guarded by Qatari soldiers. Like many of the rebels who were sent to Qatar, 21-year-old Hussein had never had any previous military training.
HUSSEIN: [through interpreter] They trained us to ambush regime or enemy vehicles and cut off the road. They also trained us on how to attack a vehicle, raid it, retrieve information or weapons and munitions, and how to finish off soldiers still alive after an ambush.
NARRATOR: The rebels were outfitted with brand-new uniforms and boots.
MUHAMMAD ALI: [subtitles] Those trousers are from them, right?
HUSSEIN: [subtitles] Yeah. We got these boots in training.
MUHAMMAD ALI: The Americans were warning the fighters not to tell this story at all. And even at one point, they told them, If in any case this story will be published, we will stop funding you or arming you.
NARRATOR: The CIA and the State Department declined to comment on the fighters accounts of arming and training, though the Obama administration has said it plans to step up support to the rebels, and there have been other reports the CIA is running covert training out of Jordan.
REBEL COMMANDER: [through interpreter] They asked for a group of 80 or 90 fighters from our command, and we headed towards the Turkish border.
NARRATOR: Based on their accounts, we retraced their journey across the border into Turkey. After a 14-hour drive, they say they arrived in the Turkish capital of Ankara and were brought to a hotel. They were kept inside and questioned by Americans, who would only say they were from the military. But the rebels believed they were from the CIA.
REBEL COMMANDER: [through interpreter] We met them for six to seven hours a day. It was medical examinations, questions for each person individually, like, When did you join the uprising? And What was your profession or military rank?
They had tracked our work and asked us to verify information about attacks we carried out, such as who was present and how many men were martyred. Your responses have to match the entire groups.
NARRATOR: A week later, the rebels say they were surprised by what happened next.
REBEL COMMANDER: [through interpreter] We only found out where we were going to be trained on the last day in Ankara, when the Americans said goodbye and that, Tomorrow, well see you in Qatar.
NARRATOR: They were flown 1,500 miles away to Doha, the capital of Qatar, which is a key U.S. ally in the Persian Gulf.
REBEL COMMANDER: [through interpreter] We drove for about two, two-and-a-half hours to reach the training ground. It was close to the Saudi border. We didnt know where we were because it was desert all around.
NARRATOR: Over the course of three weeks, they say they were trained by Americans at a base in the desert guarded by Qatari soldiers. Like many of the rebels who were sent to Qatar, 21-year-old Hussein had never had any previous military training.
HUSSEIN: [through interpreter] They trained us to ambush regime or enemy vehicles and cut off the road. They also trained us on how to attack a vehicle, raid it, retrieve information or weapons and munitions, and how to finish off soldiers still alive after an ambush.
NARRATOR: The rebels were outfitted with brand-new uniforms and boots.
MUHAMMAD ALI: [subtitles] Those trousers are from them, right?
HUSSEIN: [subtitles] Yeah. We got these boots in training.
MUHAMMAD ALI: The Americans were warning the fighters not to tell this story at all. And even at one point, they told them, If in any case this story will be published, we will stop funding you or arming you.
NARRATOR: The CIA and the State Department declined to comment on the fighters accounts of arming and training, though the Obama administration has said it plans to step up support to the rebels, and there have been other reports the CIA is running covert training out of Jordan.

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Do you think the US foreign policy establishment are in the cahoots with the Islamic State? [View all]
betterdemsonly
Dec 2015
OP
So our objective in Syria has not been the overthrow of Assad? For like 3 years?
betterdemsonly
Dec 2015
#2
Yea! I'm mean, NOTHING like that has EVER been done by our goverment before! To think something...
ChisolmTrailDem
Dec 2015
#9
Not cahoots. But I don't think we're in a hurry to eliminate them, either.
TwilightGardener
Dec 2015
#3
I mean the Pentagon, defense contractors, think tanks who support the defense industry,
TwilightGardener
Dec 2015
#11
Yup. SecDef Carter abruptly and mysteriously quit his deputy post in October 2013
TwilightGardener
Dec 2015
#24
After seven years, my take is that he's well-meaning but knows he has little control
TwilightGardener
Dec 2015
#29
I think the phrase "foreign policy establishment" would include the democratic leaders. n/t
betterdemsonly
Dec 2015
#41
The evidence is not on the side of those who charge this is a conspiracy theory.
betterdemsonly
Dec 2015
#5
"Is it really? " Yes. it is. To pretend otherwise would be to lie.
muriel_volestrangler
Dec 2015
#47
It very strange that you continue to refuse to say which party McCain belongs to...
951-Riverside
Dec 2015
#53
Because it is well documented that much of the free Syria Army defected to Isis.
betterdemsonly
Dec 2015
#42
I suspect that Hillary is personally funding ISIS out of her personal server in Benghazi
Orrex
Dec 2015
#13
She doesn't need to she has the leaders of both parties in support of her neocon agenda. n/t
betterdemsonly
Dec 2015
#15
Well it isn't no-one but not many who are reading this thread are bothering to respond so I suspect
betterdemsonly
Dec 2015
#19
I am amazed that anyone can think like you and still believe themselves to be a Democrat
muriel_volestrangler
Dec 2015
#23
You're the one accusing the Democratic leaders of supporting religious-based genocide
muriel_volestrangler
Dec 2015
#48
The leadership aren't royalty. They can be replaced by people who have courage.
betterdemsonly
Dec 2015
#50
No, you say the Democratic leaders are "in cahoots with the Islamic State"
muriel_volestrangler
Dec 2015
#56
You're the one saying Obama supports mass murderers, and Sanders support Obama
muriel_volestrangler
Dec 2015
#61
ISIS overran a warehouse full of American weaponry/supplies in December 2013 in Syria.
TwilightGardener
Dec 2015
#38
This is how recruitment works. Convince people with little or no factual information
randys1
Dec 2015
#28
We need to seriously reexamine our relationship with Saudi Arabia and other Gulf States.
Throd
Dec 2015
#35
We needed to seriously reexamine our parties relationship to wallstreet 8 years ago.
betterdemsonly
Dec 2015
#46
The dem leadership let Bush and Cheney off becuse most of them supported giving them a blank check
betterdemsonly
Dec 2015
#60
Definitely in cahoots with ppl who are in cahoots with ISIS, the Saudis and Qataris and Turks
Dems to Win
Dec 2015
#58