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PATRICK

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57. Two clouds opn that horizon

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 03:24 PM

Dec 2015

One is the complexity of the US involvement in a complicated area and it is neither saintly, untainted or wise. Finding the other guys are also using American supplies gets annoying.

The other cloud is the politics behind kicking the US in the butt over there. And with Bush and Cheney still unjailed and a lot of business as usual going on, it was- and likely is- in the policy to constantly shift from using one sect against another as if we own the chess board. It seems like everyone there plays the game but we are not citizens of the Middle East. Resentment should actually be worse. I guess the gratitude era could be ending. As is our empire.

I am personally depressed by how little account is demanded by all the world's peoples of their leaders and especially the individuals who profit from getting us into these conflicts.

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Do you think the US foreign policy establishment are in the cahoots with the Islamic State? [View all] betterdemsonly Dec 2015 OP

That's some wackadoo conspiracy theory garbage right there. eom MohRokTah Dec 2015 #1

So our objective in Syria has not been the overthrow of Assad? For like 3 years? betterdemsonly Dec 2015 #2

Yea! I'm mean, NOTHING like that has EVER been done by our goverment before! To think something... ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2015 #9

Not cahoots. But I don't think we're in a hurry to eliminate them, either. TwilightGardener Dec 2015 #3

'The national security establishment '' what does that even mean? Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #10

I mean the Pentagon, defense contractors, think tanks who support the defense industry, TwilightGardener Dec 2015 #11

General Petrayus now works for a world hedge fund firm Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #22

Yup. SecDef Carter abruptly and mysteriously quit his deputy post in October 2013 TwilightGardener Dec 2015 #24

I didn't use the phrase "national security establishment" betterdemsonly Dec 2015 #40

Why not Obama ? Township75 Dec 2015 #26

After seven years, my take is that he's well-meaning but knows he has little control TwilightGardener Dec 2015 #29

The last president who exercised any hifiguy Dec 2015 #34

I know. TwilightGardener Dec 2015 #36

I think the phrase "foreign policy establishment" would include the democratic leaders. n/t betterdemsonly Dec 2015 #41

Yes 951-Riverside Dec 2015 #4

The evidence is not on the side of those who charge this is a conspiracy theory. betterdemsonly Dec 2015 #5

"They are just partisan hacks." 951-Riverside Dec 2015 #6

The military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us about. n/t betterdemsonly Dec 2015 #7

Sorry! I totally misread your post 951-Riverside Dec 2015 #18

Your PBS transcript is about the Free Syrian Army muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #33

Just curious which party do you think John McCain belongs to? 951-Riverside Dec 2015 #39

"Is it really? " Yes. it is. To pretend otherwise would be to lie. muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #47

Again, which party do you think John McCain belongs to? 951-Riverside Dec 2015 #49

You're trying to deflect from your anti-Democratic posts muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #51

It very strange that you continue to refuse to say which party McCain belongs to... 951-Riverside Dec 2015 #53

You're trying to deflect from your anti-Democratic posts muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #54

Being against the party leadership isn't antidemocratic betterdemsonly Dec 2015 #63

Because it is well documented that much of the free Syria Army defected to Isis. betterdemsonly Dec 2015 #42

no, but I think some of the people who we supply with weapons certainly are... Javaman Dec 2015 #8

Nope Marrah_G Dec 2015 #12

This wasn't unforseen betterdemsonly Dec 2015 #14

I suspect that Hillary is personally funding ISIS out of her personal server in Benghazi Orrex Dec 2015 #13

She doesn't need to she has the leaders of both parties in support of her neocon agenda. n/t betterdemsonly Dec 2015 #15

What's funny is that no one believes the silly subject line of my post, but... Orrex Dec 2015 #16

Well it isn't no-one but not many who are reading this thread are bothering to respond so I suspect betterdemsonly Dec 2015 #19

I am amazed that anyone can think like you and still believe themselves to be a Democrat muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #23

I think many of the prowar dems here were Bush voters, 10 years ago betterdemsonly Dec 2015 #43

You're the one accusing the Democratic leaders of supporting religious-based genocide muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #48

The leadership aren't royalty. They can be replaced by people who have courage. betterdemsonly Dec 2015 #50

You could accept 'far right', if you want, then muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #52

No I am old left wing democrat betterdemsonly Dec 2015 #55

No, you say the Democratic leaders are "in cahoots with the Islamic State" muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #56

I don't support trying to overthrow Assad. No betterdemsonly Dec 2015 #59

You're the one saying Obama supports mass murderers, and Sanders support Obama muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #61

He does support Al Nusra in Syria for reasons that are mysterious betterdemsonly Dec 2015 #62

No, he does not support Al Nusra - you've made that up muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #64

ISIS is funded by the CIA chalmers Dec 2015 #17

Well established? Marrah_G Dec 2015 #20

Well the post up thread with the pbs news item betterdemsonly Dec 2015 #21

ISIS Shows Off Its American-Made M16 Rifles chalmers Dec 2015 #27

Umm Isis obtained massive amounts of weapons from the Iraqi army Marrah_G Dec 2015 #32

ISIS overran a warehouse full of American weaponry/supplies in December 2013 in Syria. TwilightGardener Dec 2015 #38

To the 20% saying "yes", how much is President Obama in cahoots with ISIS? Throd Dec 2015 #25

This is how recruitment works. Convince people with little or no factual information randys1 Dec 2015 #28

That is a conspiracy theory in totality. betterdemsonly Dec 2015 #45

I don't believe they are powerless betterdemsonly Dec 2015 #44

Not directly Bradical79 Dec 2015 #30

We need to seriously reexamine our relationship with Saudi Arabia and other Gulf States. Throd Dec 2015 #35

We needed to seriously reexamine our parties relationship to wallstreet 8 years ago. betterdemsonly Dec 2015 #46

I have no idea, but I would be sadly unsurprised if it were the case. arcane1 Dec 2015 #31

+1 hifiguy Dec 2015 #37

Two clouds opn that horizon PATRICK Dec 2015 #57

The dem leadership let Bush and Cheney off becuse most of them supported giving them a blank check betterdemsonly Dec 2015 #60

Definitely in cahoots with ppl who are in cahoots with ISIS, the Saudis and Qataris and Turks Dems to Win Dec 2015 #58