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Jesus Malverde

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11. Wishful thinking.

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 10:50 PM

Dec 2015

The Army psychiatrist accused in the 2009 shooting rampage at Fort Hood targeted fellow soldiers in a meticulously planned attack that included stockpiling bullets and researching Taliban leaders calling for jihad, a military prosecutor said Tuesday during the opening day of the long-awaited trial.

Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan spent time at a shooting range and purchased a pistol and extender kit to hold more ammunition before carrying out his plan to "kill as many soldiers as he could" while avoiding civilians, Col. Steve Henricks told jurors. The shooting, which killed 13 people and injured more than 30 others on the sprawling Texas military base, remains the deadliest mass shooting ever on a U.S. military installation.

Henricks alleged that Hasan didn't want to deploy after getting his orders about three weeks before the shootings, and that "he came to believe he had a jihad duty to murder to his fellow soldiers." The American-born Muslim later told a doctor at the base that, "'They've got another thing coming if they think they are going to deploy me,'" Henricks said.

"He then yelled 'Allahu akbar!' and opened fire on unarmed, unsuspecting and defenseless soldiers," Henricks told the jury, noting that one of the soldiers who was killed had run after Hasan armed with only a chair

The government has said that Hasan had sent more than a dozen emails starting in December 2008 to Anwar al-Awlaki, a radical U.S.-born Islamic cleric killed by a drone strike in Yemen in 2011.

http://news.yahoo.com/maj-hasan-evidence-show-am-shooter-150526861.html

Obvious is obvious. I understand the DOD's reluctance to admit this was a successful terrorist attack.

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This event appears to be workplace violence, not terrorism [View all] philosslayer Dec 2015 OP

So hassan wasn't a terrorist? Jesus Malverde Dec 2015 #1

According to the DoD it was a case of workplace violence, not terrorism philosslayer Dec 2015 #5

Wishful thinking. Jesus Malverde Dec 2015 #11

Hassan? Work place violence? GGJohn Dec 2015 #13

I repeat, the Federal Government categorizes the Ft Hood shooting as workplace violence philosslayer Dec 2015 #21

I don't give a fuck what the Feds say, it was outright terrorism GGJohn Dec 2015 #26

I think the Feds know a bit more about what happened than you do. philosslayer Dec 2015 #34

And have the Feds called this a workplace violence incident yet? GGJohn Dec 2015 #44

*sigh* Reading comprehension anyone? philosslayer Dec 2015 #46

Thank you for saying that things could change as more facts are unearthed. GGJohn Dec 2015 #53

Unlike some in this room... philosslayer Dec 2015 #58

Point taken. GGJohn Dec 2015 #62

A parallel melman Dec 2015 #71

I suggested nothing philosslayer Dec 2015 #73

Gullible much? Nt Logical Dec 2015 #78

I think the feds know how to put a guy in prison without making extra work for themselves. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2015 #87

Excellent Point The Roux Comes First Dec 2015 #92

You are 100% correct on this! Nt Logical Dec 2015 #79

Actually, I believe that with the passage of the 2014 National Defense Authorization Act....... WillowTree Dec 2015 #99

You sound like this is the first you've heard of this Yupster Dec 2015 #49

The government was wrong. hrmjustin Dec 2015 #18

We have always been at war with Eastasia 6chars Dec 2015 #27

DoD ass-covering is not to be taken seriously Codeine Dec 2015 #36

Bingo The Roux Comes First Dec 2015 #91

You really beleive that?? Kilgore Dec 2015 #57

Hasan was in contact with Anwar Awlaki Fast Walker 52 Dec 2015 #112

Not sure. Remains to be seen. hrmjustin Dec 2015 #2

And Hassan was a terrorist. hrmjustin Dec 2015 #3

Not by the government's broken definition Recursion Dec 2015 #14

This message was self-deleted by its author Cayenne Dec 2015 #43

It was reclassified as terrorism leftynyc Dec 2015 #121

this event does not mean anything yet... chillfactor Dec 2015 #4

I can buy the workplace explanation for one shooter, but three? stranger81 Dec 2015 #6

It might be just two--- trumad Dec 2015 #8

I also just saw that the LAT is naming one of the suspects. stranger81 Dec 2015 #17

Shouldn't people be shouting about Islamic terrorism? Codeine Dec 2015 #40

IMO the other 1 or 2 could just have been LiberalElite Dec 2015 #31

Your verbiage leaves out two of the three shooters. They killed these people, not he, they. Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #7

the ATF agent just on KNBC seemed convinced that it was thoroughly planned tishaLA Dec 2015 #9

Hasan was a terrorist as well. Codeine Dec 2015 #10

+1000. eom. GGJohn Dec 2015 #15

Yep. Most terrorists ALSO have their personal demons. Shooting up a building of strangers is bettyellen Dec 2015 #16

Bingo itsrobert Dec 2015 #22

Sarcasm? DashOneBravo Dec 2015 #12

No sarcasm philosslayer Dec 2015 #25

The Ft Hood victims DashOneBravo Dec 2015 #63

OP thinks reduction ad absurdam is clever argumentation, so he alcibiades_mystery Dec 2015 #30

If you are near a television.... philosslayer Dec 2015 #64

Oh Lawd alcibiades_mystery Dec 2015 #69

I don't have a "strategy" philosslayer Dec 2015 #70

The old alcibiades_mystery Dec 2015 #74

Oh.. .and decaf philosslayer Dec 2015 #76

CNN, MSNBC, and CBS philosslayer Dec 2015 #81

no, Major Hasan was not workplace violence, it was Islamic fundamentlist terrorism. What do you still_one Dec 2015 #19

I still think, like many unhinged killers he was spurned on by some personal failure... bettyellen Dec 2015 #42

NBC just spelled the name FAROOK. I'd like to know where you're getting your information from. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #20

My apologies. I've changed the post. philosslayer Dec 2015 #29

Why is that so many people Texasgal Dec 2015 #23

Because it's that thing called proof. trumad Dec 2015 #28

We have more than enough proof that Texasgal Dec 2015 #35

Yep... trumad Dec 2015 #38

I said "appears to be" at first blush philosslayer Dec 2015 #45

Especially considering the way people like us Codeine Dec 2015 #33

I'm not calling it terrorism and I'm not ruling it out. RandySF Dec 2015 #37

I guess it could be both. It obviously wasn't random, but there may have TwilightGardener Dec 2015 #24

It could have been a combo- shoot up the place but do it like ISIS eom LiberalElite Dec 2015 #41

But three people showing up? RandySF Dec 2015 #32

Syed Farook, named earlier seems to be a former employee there..... bettyellen Dec 2015 #39

Exactly my point philosslayer Dec 2015 #47

I think when you target a group of strangers, it is terrorism. Most terrorists are failures at life. bettyellen Dec 2015 #51

If he was a former employee then why he there to begin with? 951-Riverside Dec 2015 #56

Same reason a General Dynamics laid-off employee left his workplace,but returned the next week... haele Dec 2015 #103

But he wasn't laid off or fired. His coworkers said they liked him. B2G Dec 2015 #109

Then that appears not to be the motive in this shooting. haele Dec 2015 #111

Don't be intellectually dishonest just because he is Muslim FLPanhandle Dec 2015 #48

Hope that knee doesn't cause a bruise as it jerks into your face philosslayer Dec 2015 #52

Logic. FLPanhandle Dec 2015 #54

So its "definitely" terrorism because of "logic" philosslayer Dec 2015 #55

Yep FLPanhandle Dec 2015 #60

I'm not sure, but it seems to me the guy who posted the OP felt he knew the motives... cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #59

Consult a dictionary philosslayer Dec 2015 #61

Well... you sure went to great lengths to defend "appears to be", while arguing Hassan wasn't cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #86

I wasn't "arguing Hassan wasn't a terrorist" philosslayer Dec 2015 #88

The federal government was full of shit SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2015 #93

The Federal Government can go fuck itself on that count as far as I'm concerned. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #94

Workplace violence doesn't usually include others in masks and tactical gear flamingdem Dec 2015 #50

Of course it isn't workplace violence FLPanhandle Dec 2015 #65

I'm watching MSNBC discuss that possibility as we speak philosslayer Dec 2015 #68

Oh, you mean like the obviously racist football ref? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2015 #97

And enlisting two other people? jberryhill Dec 2015 #66

They were also very angry about things at their respective workplaces. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #77

Kind of like Strangers on a Train meets Horrible Bosses? jberryhill Dec 2015 #80

Like that, with a little Throw Momma From the Train on the side. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #82

That was the other one on my mind jberryhill Dec 2015 #84

well, we do have an important question that will need to be answered. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #89

I'm glad you see the humor in all of this. philosslayer Dec 2015 #90

There is a fine line between humor and despair jberryhill Dec 2015 #95

I shouldn't need to explain this, but... DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #96

If you have the time philosslayer Dec 2015 #98

The "analysis" was bullshit, as always. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #116

Then please inform the President philosslayer Dec 2015 #117

Seems you've learned nothing. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #118

not just "someone". The President of the United States philosslayer Dec 2015 #119

That's an 'appeal to authority' friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #120

Where did the other two work? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #67

It would be the first case ever of a disgrunted co-worker getting other people to help shoot.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2015 #72

Shhh FLPanhandle Dec 2015 #75

Mark my words. This Saad Farooq will be the right-wing's wet dream ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2015 #85

if it were a lone shooter I would agree. multiple people involved tells me this is something more rollin74 Dec 2015 #83

The President just affirmed this possibility as well philosslayer Dec 2015 #100

He also affirmed the possbility that it was terrorism. B2G Dec 2015 #101

And he gets the award for the most awesomely prepared disgruntled employee yet. peace13 Dec 2015 #102

Question about long guns.... peace13 Dec 2015 #104

According to the reports he enjoyed target shooting. bklyncowgirl Dec 2015 #106

I wonder about his wife. peace13 Dec 2015 #107

Capitalism Creates Mass Murderers by Causing People to 'Malfunction' Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #105

Ummm 1939 Dec 2015 #113

While we argue this point at DU, over on the right, it's a slam dunk KamaAina Dec 2015 #108

That's the difference between us and them philosslayer Dec 2015 #110

Didn't take you long to declare Dear a "terrorist" 1939 Dec 2015 #114

There was nothing pointing to workplace violence KamaAina Dec 2015 #115