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My 8th grade daughter had her exboyfil May 2012 #1
That sounds like the same thing that teachers have always done. Honeycombe8 May 2012 #2
No, standardized test results didn't use to be used in calculating grades. They started as HiPointDem May 2012 #25
Your beef seems to be with the raw vs. curve method of grading...not the kind of test. nt Honeycombe8 May 2012 #26
In the post you're responding to, my beef is that standardized tests DIDN'T USE TO BE USED HiPointDem May 2012 #27
The irony is that Bill Gates himself could never even graduate from college. JDPriestly May 2012 #3
Presumably because he can figure out what works and what doesn't. Igel May 2012 #5
your comment that Gates was "unable" to finish college was more than a little disingenuous maggiesfarmer May 2012 #6
Whether you aren's smart enough or disciplined enough to finish college, or whether you don't have JDPriestly May 2012 #29
He didn't finish because his company got off the ground. It demanded all his time and Honeycombe8 May 2012 #75
He has plenty of time to complete his education now. He could set a good example for others. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #84
Silly suggestion. It's a far better example to use his money for charitable causes, which is what Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #104
Silly? Bettering oneself by education is never a silly venture no matter the age or net worth. Selatius Jun 2012 #145
Yes, it's silly to suggest that a successful philanthropist would be a better example to give that Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #148
If he didn't like what he found at Harvard, then he doesn't know what good JDPriestly Jun 2012 #156
No, some of us realized college is a scam, and left. boppers Jun 2012 #85
The purpose of an education is to provide you with knowledge you might JDPriestly Jun 2012 #157
Maybe that was the purposes of *your* education. boppers Jun 2012 #158
the 12 pound ball wins because it's mass provides more momentum against air resistance. maggiesfarmer Jun 2012 #161
LOL, "Unable to complete college"?? Like he was struggling?? He quit to start Microsoft! N-T Logical May 2012 #14
He wasn't unable, he didn't have to. He was born into the ruling class. Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #58
Not sure how. Igel May 2012 #4
So you're using extra tests DIAGNOSTICALLY rather than just for HIGH-STAKES ProgressiveEconomist May 2012 #19
So, with all of this new testing, when are teachers supposed to teach? MadHound May 2012 #7
When teachers don't know what they need to teach, what are they going to teach? boppers Jun 2012 #86
Nobody is saying stop all testing, MadHound Jun 2012 #111
What part of the "standard" is bothersome to you? boppers Jun 2012 #125
The fact that you can't fit a standard test to every child's learning style MadHound Jun 2012 #126
"a standard test" says it quite well. boppers Jun 2012 #131
Actually, having diverse assessment instruments is a good thing, MadHound Jun 2012 #149
You have missed the part where I agree with you. boppers Jun 2012 #160
I like the the work the Gates foundation is doing maggiesfarmer May 2012 #8
Your sig line says all I need to say. knitter4democracy May 2012 #9
I'm open minded and willing to listen maggiesfarmer May 2012 #17
I couldn't find that often-cited study on ERIC. knitter4democracy May 2012 #30
no question socioeconomic issues correlate to student success maggiesfarmer May 2012 #35
For crying out loud, you still aren't listening. knitter4democracy May 2012 #39
where did I say there were many ineffective teachers? maggiesfarmer May 2012 #53
Different states have different teaching requirements. knitter4democracy May 2012 #73
And you say you support the role of the teacher MadHound May 2012 #10
please supply the decades of academic studies that suggest the teacher is not a primary correlating maggiesfarmer May 2012 #18
Sorry, I wasn't making myself clear, MadHound May 2012 #23
Parents' income is the main factor correlating to student success, and always has been. HiPointDem May 2012 #24
I respectfully take issue with a few of your statements maggiesfarmer May 2012 #34
Excuse me, but first give me the research showing that tests of student achievement measure HiPointDem May 2012 #37
the study hasn't been done because there's enourmous resistance to gathering the data! maggiesfarmer May 2012 #38
So, there's no data but there's this great study? knitter4democracy May 2012 #40
the question is whether or not the tests scores can be correlated to teacher effectiveness? maggiesfarmer May 2012 #49
Standardized tests are designed to measure what kids know. proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #50
that's the nice thing about statistics, we can identify and account for outliers maggiesfarmer May 2012 #51
But this data should not be used to measure teacher effectiveness proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #52
This. This is why. knitter4democracy May 2012 #71
I'm reminded of a conversation I had with a student just last week. proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #74
I was talking with a teen mom a couple of weeks back about that. knitter4democracy May 2012 #76
What makes me the angriest proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #83
Oh Jesus...this scares me... a la izquierda Jun 2012 #105
If only we had things like computers to normalize huge data sets... boppers Jun 2012 #87
Still too many variables. knitter4democracy Jun 2012 #106
First error: Paper. boppers Jun 2012 #122
There's nothing there showing that students' test scores are valid measures of teacher effectiveness HiPointDem May 2012 #56
no, the data correlates teacher performance to test scores. to get there does require maggiesfarmer May 2012 #60
The "data" doesn't correlate anything. The data *is* students' test score, and the pols HiPointDem May 2012 #62
we've gone through name calling and now profanity. discussion was nice when it stayed civil maggiesfarmer May 2012 #68
yeah, "shit science" is such a major breach of civility. a million pardons for my offense. HiPointDem May 2012 #77
Number one is a massive assumption. knitter4democracy May 2012 #72
Oh baloney. And no, the income gap *isn't* an outcome of education. You actually believe that HiPointDem May 2012 #55
I think I said it multiple time in this thread that I believe improving public education is a maggiesfarmer May 2012 #61
As more people got more education the income gap widened. More education doesn't do sucks HiPointDem May 2012 #63
"More education doesn't do sucks to close the income gap" maggiesfarmer May 2012 #65
in what field will these graduates use these marketable job skills? where are the jobs? HiPointDem May 2012 #66
actually, I agree with part of what you're saying. I don't think we have any reason to believe there maggiesfarmer May 2012 #67
Excuse me, peasants with a 5th-grade education do "electronics assembly" & "agriculture". HiPointDem May 2012 #78
This entire education "reform" movement is based on a false premise. kwassa May 2012 #80
/end thread (on Kwassa's post) ibegurpard Jun 2012 #96
Hear, hear! nt woo me with science Jun 2012 #97
+1 HiPointDem Jun 2012 #109
Given the wide difference in employment between high school and college graduates, mythology Jun 2012 #108
half of new grads are unemployed or underemployed. the UE rate just went up again. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #110
Introducing the Gates Foundation intern. Starry Messenger May 2012 #11
Nice insult with no facts. Why don't you put some work into countering what they said? Logical May 2012 #15
Geeze dude, it was a joke. Starry Messenger May 2012 #16
Gates gave away half his money & he's still the world's richest man on alternate years? Tell HiPointDem May 2012 #20
There is only one major change they want quaker bill May 2012 #31
that's new information to me. maggiesfarmer May 2012 #33
nice try quaker bill May 2012 #54
+1 proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #43
Gates makes money with his "charitable" foundation. Marr May 2012 #36
Bill Gates himself said said that the "class size doesn't matter" theory breaks down Nevernose May 2012 #47
If his foundation work is as good as his software. sendero May 2012 #64
So if I am rich, I can do brain surgery??? What expertise does he have in education? He dropped out adigal Jun 2012 #113
no, but I would be happy to let him fund research in brain surgery at a credible teaching hospital maggiesfarmer Jun 2012 #115
No, that is not the correct analogy. He is spouting off about things like adigal Jun 2012 #116
Gates isn't simply funding research. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #117
Bingo!! Thank you! n/t adigal Jun 2012 #154
This is the "charity" that Zuckerberg has pledged most of his money to... Romulox May 2012 #12
Warren Buffett Dokkie Jun 2012 #112
You know I"m a little confused about all this mzteris May 2012 #13
Higher stakes for schools, I think. Robb May 2012 #42
We really do need to cut back on testing proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #44
I used to take a test or two every day when I went to school. boppers Jun 2012 #88
There's a huge difference between standardized tests and periodic content review tests proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #102
Well, is the the problem *testing*, or not? boppers Jun 2012 #120
Standardized testing is the problem proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #129
Okay, can we discuss the differences? boppers Jun 2012 #133
And the results show that "rebooting" doesn't change anything. In fact, it makes things worse. HiPointDem May 2012 #57
I had yearly standardized testing in the 70's bhikkhu May 2012 #21
To all the people who say they had standardized testing as kids so what's the big deal: testing HiPointDem May 2012 #22
They also aren't the same tests. proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #46
Yes, the tests have gotten much, much, better. boppers Jun 2012 #89
Your Broad Academy talking points won't work with me. proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #103
What's "Broad Academy"? boppers Jun 2012 #121
It's a training academy for superintendents proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #127
Hm. boppers Jun 2012 #132
I am sorry we shamed the selfish pig into becoming charitable. aquart May 2012 #28
+1. Helps fill the void of Madflor's absence. Mc Mike May 2012 #32
And Common Core will be a disaster proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #41
"Not one teacher helped write these standards." Robb May 2012 #45
Let me tell you about that 'collaboration'. proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #48
Yes, they're lying. Through use of weasel phrases like "received initial feedback" & "collaboration" HiPointDem May 2012 #59
So, students are expected to learn at a rate we aren't yet teaching at? boppers Jun 2012 #90
They're expected to master content we currently don't teach proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #100
How does a teacher know it's not "developmentally appropriate" for a specific child? boppers Jun 2012 #118
A number of ways, MadHound Jun 2012 #124
I've only taught a few days. boppers Jun 2012 #128
And it shows, MadHound Jun 2012 #150
Yes, sheer hubris. boppers Jun 2012 #159
Teachers with backgrounds in child development understand what's developmentally appropriate proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #130
Why is that insane? boppers Jun 2012 #134
and where did you get this factoid from? kwassa Jun 2012 #138
Which part? boppers Jun 2012 #140
The second one. kwassa Jun 2012 #155
Honest question: Robb Jun 2012 #135
Flynn effect. boppers Jun 2012 #136
Education never stops changing kwassa Jun 2012 #139
How much will this all cost? MattBaggins May 2012 #69
Bingo proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #70
Half a billion for Pearson's current contract in Texas *alone*, apparently. pretty big money. HiPointDem May 2012 #82
How much per-student-per-year? boppers Jun 2012 #91
Better to ask how much it costs to develop, print, and ship a test. After that, it's pure profit. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #92
What kinds of morons still use print? boppers Jun 2012 #93
Pure profit. Probably in the neighborhood of a billion a year in the US. Provides a handful of HiPointDem Jun 2012 #94
*rage* boppers Jun 2012 #95
Why are you blaming teachers for what technology is used in schools. They don't have the power, HiPointDem Jun 2012 #107
Teachers are poor, helpless, drones with no power? boppers Jun 2012 #123
You are clueless. I have a friend who teaches in a low-income district in California. They don't HiPointDem Jun 2012 #141
Oh, so do you have computers, or not? boppers Jun 2012 #142
I'm not a teacher, I don't live in california, i'm unemployed and my computer is 5 years old. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #143
The worst testers are those involved with their subjects. boppers Jun 2012 #146
and if you don't know the students, you also bias the test, just in a different way. there is no HiPointDem Jun 2012 #147
Believe it or not, tests on paper are less expensive proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #101
It sounds more expensive to me, in the long run. boppers Jun 2012 #119
Isn't Jeb Bush part of the corporate testing scam, too? The only motive here is profit. DirkGently May 2012 #79
I think jeb spearheaded the increase in testing in florida. seems like there was something recent HiPointDem May 2012 #81
corporate takeover of the US fascisthunter Jun 2012 #98
DU Rec. woo me with science Jun 2012 #99
Gates has NO IDEA what he is doing in education any more than he is qualified to do brain surgery adigal Jun 2012 #114
Are you willing to teach a brain surgeon? boppers Jun 2012 #137
I would respond, but your straw man is too big adigal Jun 2012 #151
This makes no sense. WinkyDink Jun 2012 #153
Rmoney's buddies own the company - right? goclark Jun 2012 #144
Money, money, money, MO-NEY! WinkyDink Jun 2012 #152
The future of education is going to be digital, Gates is trying to monopolize that. joshcryer Jun 2012 #162
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