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Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
71. At the time
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:47 PM
Dec 2015

That the amendments were written the "militia" consisted of any able bodied male over a certain age, the requirement to be included was that you had to own a gun.
The phrase well regulated referred to training not to control by the government. You cannot have the word "people" mean something different in one amendment than ti does in another.

Claiming owning a gun is about "freedom" is like claiming owning an SUV is about "freedom". Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #1
Yet nothing was done on 2009. Why? Big time lost opportunity. yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #104
Once again, thanks for your concern. Kingofalldems Dec 2015 #148
It's like the study where congress believes their districts are more conservative than they are. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #163
These people feel the same way about cheap gas. It's their god given right. bettyellen Dec 2015 #135
Lately they believe it's their god given right to kill if they're scared. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #167
Well, it is in Florida these days. I thought it was in South Africa too, but apparently a panel of bettyellen Dec 2015 #172
I have never in my life been an advocate for mass confiscation but................... leftofcool Dec 2015 #2
I turned the corner about a year ago. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #8
And I'd argue you still shouldn't be. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #16
mass confiscation is the only real solution mwrguy Dec 2015 #17
+1000 951-Riverside Dec 2015 #58
It worked so well with drugs and alcohol...nt Mojorabbit Dec 2015 #255
and your solution is...??? CTyankee Dec 2015 #275
Let the CDC study gun violence. Break the Republican block on this. Mojorabbit Dec 2015 #287
thank you. I think that is common sense. Also facts, which as we all know, are stubborn things... CTyankee Dec 2015 #291
Here's a novel idea... jack_krass Dec 2015 #392
I don't think we really do. I think the availability of guns is the problem...if the gun is there CTyankee Dec 2015 #393
Nope, look at switzerland jack_krass Dec 2015 #403
look at their population and their gun laws...I've been thru this discussion on DU before. CTyankee Dec 2015 #404
And what do you do when 500 to 1000 of them christx30 Dec 2015 #273
Wait them out, get them a few at a time. mwrguy Dec 2015 #277
You really believe that? GGJohn Dec 2015 #306
So gun owners really aren't law abiding? mwrguy Dec 2015 #322
Would you, if you were a woman, (don't know your gender) GGJohn Dec 2015 #323
Who has been touting "law abiding abortion owners"? mwrguy Dec 2015 #325
I asked you a question, GGJohn Dec 2015 #327
The fact is that gun owning citizens outnumber the law enforcement community. passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #330
"If we offered a buy back program like Australia" EX500rider Dec 2015 #405
Aussies did not give up all their guns. passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #406
So we can be assured that you'll volunteer to be on the confiscation teams? GGJohn Dec 2015 #304
Do you put out house fires? mwrguy Dec 2015 #321
So I'll take that as a no, GGJohn Dec 2015 #409
Are you projecting? passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #407
Projecting what? GGJohn Dec 2015 #408
the way you think people will react to having their guns taken away? passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #410
They're doing just the opposite Left2Tackle Dec 2015 #342
Sure! Legitimize the gun nut argument d_legendary1 Dec 2015 #268
This is what it will take, sadly. randys1 Dec 2015 #3
I don't really understand why the 2nd amendment is so important to hunters. Rex Dec 2015 #4
What if you decide they can't keep them after all? hack89 Dec 2015 #5
If somehow people lose their hunting rifles in all this (which I don't think will happen) AllyCat Dec 2015 #10
The 2A protects an individual right to keep and bear arms. hack89 Dec 2015 #11
Now that lots of people are dying because the right to keep and bear arms AllyCat Dec 2015 #14
Actually Old Codger Dec 2015 #67
+100 narnian60 Dec 2015 #377
Where in the 2A does it say individual rights? Rex Dec 2015 #15
"The right of the people " hack89 Dec 2015 #26
The people that form well regulated militia...where does it say individual rights? Rex Dec 2015 #28
Ok hack89 Dec 2015 #36
Doesn't matter if you don't like it. Rex Dec 2015 #38
The law agrees with me hack89 Dec 2015 #41
Sure sure your sadz says otherwise. Rex Dec 2015 #44
Heller is the law of the land hack89 Dec 2015 #45
I am just telling you what the 2A says, no need to get mad. Rex Dec 2015 #47
And the Supreme Court says you are wrong. hack89 Dec 2015 #53
Well that is the literal wording of the 2A. Rex Dec 2015 #57
So what. That is totally irrelevant when it comes to passing laws hack89 Dec 2015 #64
Crowing? See I knew it you have a big sadz at the literal meaning of the 2A. Rex Dec 2015 #69
The Bill of Rights protects individual right. End of story. hack89 Dec 2015 #77
Why would you be snarky because the 2A agrees with me literally? Rex Dec 2015 #82
ok. nt hack89 Dec 2015 #86
. Rex Dec 2015 #89
Scalia wrote it. It was dissented by every reasonable person on the court. Squinch Dec 2015 #137
Scalia is the moron that threw a federal election. Rex Dec 2015 #161
Exactly, but it is really the Heller decision that all these morons are hiding behind Squinch Dec 2015 #173
Very much so, has not a thing to do with the 2A actual meaning. Rex Dec 2015 #184
That's fine hack89 Dec 2015 #182
And the people must have a right to redress. Rex Dec 2015 #186
What does that even mean? nt hack89 Dec 2015 #191
No, actually it doesn't. Just as Emancipation didn't have to be implemented Squinch Dec 2015 #212
Emancipation took a Constitutional amendment hack89 Dec 2015 #219
I'm sure you think you have a point. Squinch Dec 2015 #220
Heller is the law of the land and cannot be ignored. hack89 Dec 2015 #224
So you have said. Dredd Scott was the law of the land too. So? Squinch Dec 2015 #227
Heller overturned precedent nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #51
What precedent? hack89 Dec 2015 #74
You should read a lot more into the case law nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #112
Your link makes no mention of cases prior to Heller hack89 Dec 2015 #118
As I said, I recommend a law library nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #136
Waste of time nadin. Rex Dec 2015 #165
I got to give it to Scalia, he does write well though nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #171
Oh yes! Nothing against his penmanship. Rex Dec 2015 #177
But he writes clearly, nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #187
Wow at one time it was 8th grade. Rex Dec 2015 #217
I write RSD at a higher level nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #218
That is rare, you don't insult their intelligence like the M$M-Hearst. Rex Dec 2015 #221
Well, right now we seeing the MSM engage in quite a bit of speculation nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #225
Well it is okay for reporters to speculate, yet on DU that is baaaad. Rex Dec 2015 #230
I am not speculating anywhere nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #237
I meant Hollywood pundits. CNN\Foxnews the alphabet outlets. Rex Dec 2015 #239
I know nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #249
Ratings...the original formula still works better than cold hard facts. Rex Dec 2015 #251
And we know WHO to blame, a local Miami affiliate nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #261
Can't back up your claim? Ok. nt hack89 Dec 2015 #175
I can, but even if i gave it to you in the actual nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #183
Bullshit hack89 Dec 2015 #185
There are but it really would not matter to you, so here is a nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #196
You talking about the Jim Crow rulings used to disarm blacks hack89 Dec 2015 #200
Becuase now I know you do not know of the 1930s case nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #203
Miller? nt hack89 Dec 2015 #207
Which is very relevant nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #209
A case where Miller and his lawyer's did not appear in court? hack89 Dec 2015 #215
We shall revisit all this nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #222
Well. LokiandMala Dec 2015 #344
Nadin, I often disagree with you, but you are absolutely right about this. Squinch Dec 2015 #176
Didn't you just tell me you don't hide behind the 2A? Squinch Dec 2015 #210
So is Citizens United. thucythucy Dec 2015 #303
What laws could you pass without Heller that you can't pass now? hack89 Dec 2015 #305
Wasn't Heller cited when the courts threw out hand gun restrictions thucythucy Dec 2015 #308
Heller says you can't ban handguns kept in one's house hack89 Dec 2015 #309
Well that's a pretty enormous loophole right there. thucythucy Dec 2015 #310
No. hack89 Dec 2015 #311
But no answer to my other questions? nt. thucythucy Dec 2015 #312
Ok. hack89 Dec 2015 #313
That sounds good to me. thucythucy Dec 2015 #314
One of the reasons a lot of people don't care for the no fly list is when it was revealed that Waldorf Dec 2015 #318
I remember that. thucythucy Dec 2015 #355
Also it says "well regulated" Hekate Dec 2015 #95
Shhhhh...don't tell them about the Guard or Reserves. Rex Dec 2015 #98
That's absolutely incorrect. TeddyR Dec 2015 #124
#129 Rex Dec 2015 #156
So your "evidence" is the opinion of a guy from 250 years ago - a guy who refused to Squinch Dec 2015 #198
NO. The refered to militias were used to keep the slaves in line. chknltl Dec 2015 #284
Believe it or not, it was about more than one thing. Rex Dec 2015 #286
Perhaps but it's reason accdg. to it's authors chknltl Dec 2015 #293
The Founders were worried about the British coming back Rex Dec 2015 #295
State and National Guards didn't exist when the 2nd Amendment was ratified. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #223
So what? librarylu Dec 2015 #54
I don't own guns for self defense - I live in a safe town hack89 Dec 2015 #60
How difficult would it be..... librarylu Dec 2015 #385
Don't see the need. hack89 Dec 2015 #387
Something that Scalia, Machine Gun Sammy Alito,... Herman4747 Dec 2015 #259
You do understand that Heller allows strict gun control? hack89 Dec 2015 #272
At the time Old Codger Dec 2015 #71
Exactly! The word 'people' and 'individual' are not the same word at all! Rex Dec 2015 #75
Don't thank me Old Codger Dec 2015 #122
Nope. Re-read the 2A. Rex Dec 2015 #162
OK well Old Codger Dec 2015 #267
Wrong. Not my fault 4 people out of so many in this thread 'don't get it'. Rex Dec 2015 #279
OK Old Codger Dec 2015 #297
The militia is formed OF the people in times of need. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #147
#129 Rex Dec 2015 #155
Post 129 is factually wrong on a number of points. For instance, we have a national guard and a AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #199
I said that was the original intent, thanks for agreeing with me. Rex Dec 2015 #234
No, you are wrong. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #246
Yeah well your opinion is not my problem. Rex Dec 2015 #280
You are wildly uninformed on this topic. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #307
Rex picked up the wrong lure. He go bye-bye. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #238
Yeah, I get the feeling I'm talking to a wall, but hope springs eternal. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #248
See #129 Rex Dec 2015 #278
It doesn't say the people that form a well regulated militia. n/t whopis01 Dec 2015 #257
Don't shoot the messenger... Left2Tackle Dec 2015 #343
As long as those people are "well-regulated" Gore1FL Dec 2015 #79
The 2A does not stop strict gun control hack89 Dec 2015 #88
I recognize that Gore1FL Dec 2015 #120
You are actually the third person I have seen using almost the same wording to make the Squinch Dec 2015 #170
The 2A does not stop strict gun control hack89 Dec 2015 #189
And time for gun nuts to stop hiding behind it. Squinch Dec 2015 #201
I don't hide behind it. hack89 Dec 2015 #202
Well bully for you. Squinch Dec 2015 #204
The 2A does not stop strict gun control hack89 Dec 2015 #228
So then you should probably stop hiding behind it. Squinch Dec 2015 #229
ok. nt hack89 Dec 2015 #231
Great! Squinch Dec 2015 #235
it took the civil war lancer78 Dec 2015 #347
I understand that those who are defending the idea that their hobby is worth a weekly Squinch Dec 2015 #351
since I am banned by law lancer78 Dec 2015 #365
No, it doesn't. "the People" is the entire population, not individuals. "The People" have a... ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2015 #206
So all the rights in the Bill of Rights that use that wording hack89 Dec 2015 #211
The right is given to "the People" as a whole. It is manifest in our National Guard. Some day, ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2015 #214
No. Just no. beevul Dec 2015 #232
LOL. GGJohn Dec 2015 #316
Pardon the expression, world wide wally Dec 2015 #348
I don't care what you think hack89 Dec 2015 #350
I Find It Interesting That Our 'Well-Regulated Militia' Hasn't Been Able To Stop These Mass.... global1 Dec 2015 #21
That is part of what says they are not well-regulated. AllyCat Dec 2015 #22
Agree, seems all these 'militia' groups are full of paranoid stormfront types that hate Obama Rex Dec 2015 #25
No one says hunters shouldn't keep rifles Tab Dec 2015 #12
Are you sure you are using all the correct terminology there Tab? AllyCat Dec 2015 #18
victims of gun violence do not lose moral authority by using wrong language sanatanadharma Dec 2015 #35
Excellent point about the magazine! AllyCat Dec 2015 #276
Militas, not individuals. If they want to form a rifle club there is no law against it. Rex Dec 2015 #13
And manage our property (slaves) AllyCat Dec 2015 #20
And 'push' Native Americans into smaller and smaller camps...er...reservations. Rex Dec 2015 #23
Sorry - I must have missed it. When exactly did we solve the problem of tyranny and jonno99 Dec 2015 #48
And how long ago was that and why is the wording of the 2A relevant to that time period? Rex Dec 2015 #52
You're missing the point - it is BECAUSE of tyranny and lawlessness (they feared NOT being free) - jonno99 Dec 2015 #93
Irony is dead. You purposely miss the point and the wording of the 2A. Rex Dec 2015 #96
I didn't "miss the point" - I simply disagreed with you. Did you purposely miss my point? jonno99 Dec 2015 #100
The 1A promises me that. Did you know that? Rex Dec 2015 #103
No, the 1A is not a lie. But don't you find it curious that an amendment concerning ONLY the jonno99 Dec 2015 #110
Yes and that is why we have a National Guard. Rex Dec 2015 #129
I agree that the founders were good with wording. I would argue too that they were good with jonno99 Dec 2015 #139
As Long as the Interpretation is Reasonable... Herman4747 Dec 2015 #368
Sure - but by "living" what you mean is amendable. Nobody argues that. And whatever the personal jonno99 Dec 2015 #376
Wow TeddyR Dec 2015 #154
Scalia is a moron that threw a federal election. Rex Dec 2015 #159
As I pointed out in response to 129 TeddyR Dec 2015 #193
So you didn't understand that meaning at all? I figured as much. Rex Dec 2015 #242
So you agree that your initial premise TeddyR Dec 2015 #331
I think you had better recheck your "recorded history" whopis01 Dec 2015 #258
Details! AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #260
No kidding, I wouldn't expect you to understand history at all. Rex Dec 2015 #282
So much nonsense. beevul Dec 2015 #271
Wrong, that is not what I said keep your words in your own mouth. Rex Dec 2015 #281
I never quoted you. beevul Dec 2015 #285
The 2nd Amendment applies to members of a well-regulated militia, no more, no less. Nitram Dec 2015 #27
Not according to the Supreme Court, the Democratic party platform hack89 Dec 2015 #32
Hack, you are 100% correct. Nitram Dec 2015 #119
Yet groups like the NRA have fooled everyone into believing it is 'individual rights'. Rex Dec 2015 #33
It was only relatively recently the NRA started pushing for a re-interpreation of the amendment. Nitram Dec 2015 #125
Sorry, not even close... More or less.... Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #226
In no other part of the Constitution is it as necessary to limit a right... Nitram Dec 2015 #356
I've read plenty of history, thanks. Your's is a distinctly minority view... Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #386
I'm not sure being in the minority means I'm wrong. These things are re-evaluated and... Nitram Dec 2015 #388
Actually, few cases dealing with the Second ever reached SCOTUS... Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #389
The fact that few cases reached SCOTUS suggests there probably... Nitram Dec 2015 #390
But then you have the 18th Amendment: "No state shall deny..." Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #397
Thanks, Eleanor for the informative and thoughtful discussion. Nitram Dec 2015 #398
I thank you as well. Take care. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #399
What exactly do you propose? Orrex Dec 2015 #61
I support most gun control proposals hack89 Dec 2015 #83
I see absolutely nothing wrong with universal gun registration Orrex Dec 2015 #97
It won't save lives. hack89 Dec 2015 #115
Why bother with laws at all, if criminals will ignore them? Orrex Dec 2015 #142
A national antisuicide campaign is what is called for hack89 Dec 2015 #178
A universal registration would reduce the flow of illegal guns Orrex Dec 2015 #245
The Sandy Hook weapon was registered hack89 Dec 2015 #247
I didn't propose it as a complete solution by itself, did I? Orrex Dec 2015 #250
There are a lot of laws we can pass hack89 Dec 2015 #252
There is simply no convincing argument against registration Orrex Dec 2015 #294
I stand with the ACLU on this issue. nt hack89 Dec 2015 #296
They are mistaken on this issue. Orrex Dec 2015 #332
ok nt hack89 Dec 2015 #333
Gun registration probably would save lives. Nitram Dec 2015 #357
No problem with universal background checks. nt hack89 Dec 2015 #379
What's your problem with registration. Nitram Dec 2015 #380
Privacy. hack89 Dec 2015 #381
So you refuse to get a driver's license? nt Nitram Dec 2015 #383
Want to compare guns to cars? Ok hack89 Dec 2015 #391
I'd go aong with that. Nitram Dec 2015 #394
No problem with training and testing. hack89 Dec 2015 #395
Not everyone has a gun safe. Nitram Dec 2015 #396
My insurance company didn't even ask about guns. hack89 Dec 2015 #402
Should you be allowed to have a nuclear bomb? Marr Dec 2015 #130
Allowed to have a nuclear bomb? That would be crazy. Orrex Dec 2015 #336
Bravo! marym625 Dec 2015 #6
"FUCK YOU, ASSHOLE REPUBLICANS" Um... about that. It isn't just Republicans. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #7
Why do they ALWAYS exclude the first phrase of the 2nd Amendment? RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #9
Because it's an inconvenient truth. Nitram Dec 2015 #29
And the Democratic party hack89 Dec 2015 #39
For 2016? I don't see anything about guns in the party's platform. Nitram Dec 2015 #133
I haven't seen the 2016 platform TeddyR Dec 2015 #143
That was 2013. There isn't a platform yet for 2016 because the nominee has to participate. Nitram Dec 2015 #146
I suspect the party platform will be very similar TeddyR Dec 2015 #157
hack89 said read the Democratic Party's platform, not Hillary's. Ikonoklast Dec 2015 #192
Icon, the party doesn't have a platform yet. Nitram Dec 2015 #358
As did the last platform. Ikonoklast Dec 2015 #366
Because then they would have to admit they've been wrong all this time. Rex Dec 2015 #37
The Second Amendment doesn't mean what you think it means TeddyR Dec 2015 #126
See reply #129 Rex Dec 2015 #131
All it will take to start interpreting the 2nd Amendment correctly again... Nitram Dec 2015 #134
Until 1968 it wasn't thought to be otherwise. Ikonoklast Dec 2015 #195
Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in. mwrguy Dec 2015 #19
Rec. And I don't even give ONE fuck, much less two. n/t SpankMe Dec 2015 #24
To quote Morpheus: "Then I am grateful that it is not up to you." nt jonno99 Dec 2015 #160
The OP can have his opinion in a vacuum. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #208
Where in the 2ndn Amendment is the "the right to kill people" described? aikoaiko Dec 2015 #30
K&R. nt DLevine Dec 2015 #31
People hold onto the 2A like it is the Holy Grail for all freedumbs. Rex Dec 2015 #34
Great Meme on gun violence Gothmog Dec 2015 #40
i dont own a gun. never want to retrowire Dec 2015 #42
I agree. The "right" to own gunz is about as immoral as the "right" to own slaves was. Hoyt Dec 2015 #43
It is the right to own guns to form a well regulated militia, shall not be infringed upon. Rex Dec 2015 #46
The 2nd Amendment was a concession to the Slave States. Fuddnik Dec 2015 #62
It was also about the worry of homegrown tyranny or the British coming back to kick our butts. Rex Dec 2015 #68
Oh really? Then why did the non-slave states like Vermont include their own version of the 2nd? X_Digger Dec 2015 #340
Without a strong central government, such clauses enabled the colonies... Pacifist Patriot Dec 2015 #360
But if the federal 2nd was only a 'gimme' to slave states, why enact the same in their own states? X_Digger Dec 2015 #412
I agree completely. Gunners can't read and use some idiotic grammatical construction Hoyt Dec 2015 #66
I've seen gun nuts start foaming at the mouth over the literal meaning of the 2A. Rex Dec 2015 #70
Well, you're saying two directly opposite things. If owning a gun is immoral then it can't be jonno99 Dec 2015 #151
Typical Gungeoneer speak. Hoyt Dec 2015 #153
i agree with you but i would add patsimp Dec 2015 #49
Gee, all that gun control sure helped Paris, didn't it? ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #50
Wow, someone has a big sadz! Rex Dec 2015 #55
No, little kitty ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #106
Did they kick you off of DI? Rex Dec 2015 #109
I wasn't kicked off of DI ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #205
What do you mean by "little kitty". Just need that before I decide whether or not to alert. nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2015 #240
The spelling of "sadz" ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #254
What an idiotic argument. Marr Dec 2015 #138
Even with the terrorist attack killing over 100 people, France has a far, far lower... Nitram Dec 2015 #359
The majority of gun deaths are suicides ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #378
Even if you take suicides out of the equation, the US is still way ahead on gun deaths... Nitram Dec 2015 #382
2nd Amendment was created by guys who were fine with blacks counting as 3/5ths of a person TeamPooka Dec 2015 #56
It also was created to keep the government is check by forming citizen militias. Rex Dec 2015 #59
that's right. They hate the truth about guns and local militias. nt TeamPooka Dec 2015 #65
I've seen spittle fly from the mouth of an enraged gun lover over the literal meaning. Rex Dec 2015 #73
"Says nothing about individual rights." EX500rider Dec 2015 #266
No, REx, exactly the opposite. Nitram Dec 2015 #361
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #111
Actually, the 3/5 of a person was a *progressive* and good thing. harrose Dec 2015 #213
Just beacuse it was "progressive" doesn't mean it was right. nt TeamPooka Dec 2015 #414
It was borne of a necessary compromise harrose Dec 2015 #417
Here we go; Rex Dec 2015 #63
Easy - we do NOT want yahoos forming militias! THE Militias were State jmg257 Dec 2015 #80
Too late, we have RWing crazies running around playing pretend soldier. Rex Dec 2015 #85
Totally agree! Yahoos who think they are 'the Militia' as identified in the constitution jmg257 Dec 2015 #90
Thank you! Rex Dec 2015 #94
our Founding Fathers didn't have this in mind ... napkinz Dec 2015 #99
Yeah I fail to see where they muster to. Rex Dec 2015 #169
The constitution actually gives the President ultimate control over state militias. Nitram Dec 2015 #149
Only when called into actual (federal) service. jmg257 Dec 2015 #166
Gun control is too democrats virginia mountainman Dec 2015 #72
I'm sure you'll get over it... ileus Dec 2015 #76
NEVER kpete Dec 2015 #81
You and me both. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2015 #87
The second amendment isn't the problem as much as not follwoing it is. Gore1FL Dec 2015 #78
For years I have been saying that travesty of an amendment has made it... Pacifist Patriot Dec 2015 #84
PacPat, the amendment was designed to limit the use of firearms. Nitram Dec 2015 #152
No, that is not what the amendment was designed for. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2015 #190
Militas were not used only to put down slave rebellions Nitram Dec 2015 #362
Point is, the clauses concerning the right to bear arms... Pacifist Patriot Dec 2015 #371
+100000000000 Initech Dec 2015 #91
I am not for banning guns Marrah_G Dec 2015 #92
States have a National Guard to defend against federal tyranny. Rex Dec 2015 #101
I am still not for banning guns Marrah_G Dec 2015 #105
I never once said we should ban all guns. Rex Dec 2015 #107
I agree Marrah_G Dec 2015 #108
States have a National Guard only until the Feds call them up JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2015 #174
Wrong Rex. the President is the Commander in Chief of the National Guard. NT Nitram Dec 2015 #363
The interesting thing about rights... Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #102
Interesting. I'm reminded of Franklin's rejoinder to a question posed outside the CC: jonno99 Dec 2015 #123
Amen to that jamzrockz Dec 2015 #150
Actually, they do. MH1 Dec 2015 #300
You're gonna need a lot more fuckless people. Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #320
I own guns OldRedneck Dec 2015 #113
I believe this will change when... abakan Dec 2015 #114
I'm of the opinion this will change when we are finally able to get rid of "mean people" - jonno99 Dec 2015 #145
The NRA are relatively weak compared to the GOA and the SAF, GGJohn Dec 2015 #317
I agree with Scalia SCantiGOP Dec 2015 #116
Sure - as long as those are the only weapons that exist anywhere. Otherwise, no thanks...nt jonno99 Dec 2015 #128
That was my point SCantiGOP Dec 2015 #140
Sounds like we're in agreement then... jonno99 Dec 2015 #141
You got it, jonno SCantiGOP Dec 2015 #168
"...doesn't take into account technology advances of the last 240 years." Like the Internet? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #216
1st amendment still holds up SCantiGOP Dec 2015 #253
All that is mentioned are 'speech' and 'press', nothing else friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #256
What is the internet if not speech? nt Nitram Dec 2015 #364
There was a 20 shot semi-automatic musket capable of killing a deer at the time. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #262
I assume the ban also applies (I hope) to nuclear weapons? SCantiGOP Dec 2015 #301
Explosives in general are tightly controlled in the US. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #302
Thanks for the info, AthiestCrusader SCantiGOP Dec 2015 #328
In another forum MynameisBlarney Dec 2015 #117
Good thing you didn't post those comments here ... JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2015 #179
LOL MynameisBlarney Dec 2015 #188
Love it! SammyWinstonJack Dec 2015 #352
Thanks! MynameisBlarney Dec 2015 #354
Actually you DO know what is wrong with the United States: slumcamper Dec 2015 #121
It would be nice if it were that easy - unfortuantely it's not...nt jonno99 Dec 2015 #127
Right on....Jim Jeffries says it best... americannightmare Dec 2015 #132
Both amendments assume responsible "self-governance". With that failing, all bets are off. jonno99 Dec 2015 #144
Especially if we have to sleep with one eye open due to gunners trying to grab control. Hoyt Dec 2015 #158
Unfortunately, I have to agree... americannightmare Dec 2015 #345
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #164
I'm in…. santafe52 Dec 2015 #180
Preach on! The cult of the American gun is as outdated and irrelevant as Sharia law. Raster Dec 2015 #181
I ran out of fucks to give when the children in Sandy Hook were gunned down. n/t me b zola Dec 2015 #194
2A makes america suck. KG Dec 2015 #197
Kpete, you and your source can work for repeal of the Second. If you give a "fuck." Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #233
80% of the people gave a fuck and Congress coward in the corner. Rex Dec 2015 #236
Rex. The country is purchasing firearms in record numbers... Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #241
I have nothing against fire arm owners, I am talking about misunderstanding the 2A. Rex Dec 2015 #243
The misunderstanding is on your part. The Individual RKBA is the Standard Model.. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #263
No matter how many times you tell people that your interpretation of the 2A is the correct one, Francis Booth Dec 2015 #289
Thanks for showing up to express how sadz you are about me being right. Rex Dec 2015 #292
But you're not right, just obstinate and tedious. Francis Booth Dec 2015 #326
"How few of us..." wrong again. Francis Booth Dec 2015 #329
Those percentages go up & down like tea kettle water... Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #269
I am kicking and rec cing this since you are clearly talking about republicans Rex Dec 2015 #244
Fo Sho! d_legendary1 Dec 2015 #270
I wonder why a few here get so mad when the OP harps on republicans? Rex Dec 2015 #283
I think its more about the gun nuts than it is about the Cons d_legendary1 Dec 2015 #334
More guns here we come! Can we reach half a billion before 2050? Rex Dec 2015 #335
Well we are the world's #1 gun manufacturer d_legendary1 Dec 2015 #338
And the worlds largest military weapons supplier. Rex Dec 2015 #339
True, but I believe foreign manufacturers lead in non-military firearms. Nitram Dec 2015 #367
I don't know who this 'Colorado is the Shiznit' is BKH70041 Dec 2015 #264
"The right to kill"???? cleanhippie Dec 2015 #265
It doesn't matter nothing will change... humbled_opinion Dec 2015 #274
A literal interpretation is closer to what America had in it's early years... De Leonist Dec 2015 #288
EXACTLY x 1,000,000,000,000 flying-skeleton Dec 2015 #290
Since our Conservo 'friends' always harp on 'original intent'- let them have all the black powder JCMach1 Dec 2015 #298
big kick nt restorefreedom Dec 2015 #299
maybe if they used the COMPLETE amendment. WELL REGULATED! pansypoo53219 Dec 2015 #315
I think that's only fair dumbcat Dec 2015 #319
for clarity, it's extinguish not distinguish. passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #324
Perhaps you could give one fuck, then. HassleCat Dec 2015 #337
Not according to our local gun murder apologists SwankyXomb Dec 2015 #372
Same here. Yesterday I suggested someone could put their "right" and their guns where CBGLuthier Dec 2015 #341
So, American's get gunned down by armed terrorists Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2015 #346
Pitch perfect post. Bravo!! pablo_marmol Dec 2015 #349
I didn't ASSume they were white. Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2015 #369
Reread my post. I didn't accuse you of assuming they were white! pablo_marmol Dec 2015 #400
one of the killed was a police officer, a lot of good his gun did him saturnsring Dec 2015 #370
What? You mean something wasn't 100% effective? Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #373
it's a long long way from 100% saturnsring Dec 2015 #375
thank you, Boudicca! librechik Dec 2015 #374
Well said. beevul Dec 2015 #384
Let's all be perfectly honest about this for once... world wide wally Dec 2015 #353
I've been done w/freaks & their gunz years ago happynewyear Dec 2015 #401
me, too. It's the same thing over and over and over. CTyankee Dec 2015 #415
Oh, but you respected them before? beevul Dec 2015 #411
Idiot Go Vols Dec 2015 #413
What's that meme called again? romanic Dec 2015 #416
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