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Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
56. I'm all for fewer knuckleheads.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 04:39 PM
Dec 2015

I agree: CCW permits should be issued only to people willing to put in the time and effort to become competent (to a reasonable but meaningful standard) and to know the law. Anyone carrying should be expected to know when they can and cannot legally use force, and to hit what they aim at when the answer is "yes." All I had to do was be a warm body at a class. I was disappointed. The classroom part was good (it focused mostly on when it is and is not legal to use force in Oregon), but there was no examination to see if we learned those things. And there were a couple of real mouth-breathers in that class... And of course, no idea if I can handle a gun safely, to say nothing of shoot accurately...

I'm not sure if it's readily enforceable as a part of the law, but at the least, CCW permit holders should be strongly encouraged to practice at the range regularly. I can't state strongly enough how important that is in order to both ensure that you're not a danger to everyone, but also to be able to actually succeed if you have to defend yourself. It's said that people under extreme stress tend to do what they've been trained to do. If you don't practice, you've trained yourself to do nothing.

Okay, I'm rambling. But yeah...it infuriated me , too, that there are people who fail to take the grave responsibility of carrying a weapon as seriously as it demands. If they need the law to goad them into doing so, then fine. Change the law.

Turn them all in. mwrguy Dec 2015 #1
IF 'you' want to make a difference, jmg257 Dec 2015 #2
No more loopholes, no more exceptions. Enough already. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #6
'All of them' is certainly very cut and dry. jmg257 Dec 2015 #9
"...starting.....start...". nt Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #37
Yep - IF 'you' want to make a difference, gotta start somewhere. jmg257 Dec 2015 #40
See little 'difference' in proposals here. But have at it... Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #50
Understood. Referring to proposals, I think jmg257 Dec 2015 #54
And require insurance. daleanime Dec 2015 #3
Thank you! KamaAina Dec 2015 #7
That might get insurance companies interested in prevention of gun violence HereSince1628 Dec 2015 #14
Correct: no carrier in the world will cover criminal acts. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #27
Terrorists don't buy insurance NobodyHere Dec 2015 #16
Insurance is readily available...and very cheap. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #18
but not required. daleanime Dec 2015 #22
The only objection I might have with requiring it... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #23
If you created that large of a market.... daleanime Dec 2015 #31
The NRA would undercut them hack89 Dec 2015 #48
Um...my post explicitly stated I think they'd have serious competitors. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #57
But why? TeddyR Dec 2015 #55
Why require insurance for an dangerous object? daleanime Dec 2015 #61
As of last night, I came around to move a bit on the control issue in favor or... Shandris Dec 2015 #4
Total. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #5
in addition... Takket Dec 2015 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Dec 2015 #10
Total confiscation Matrosov Dec 2015 #11
Before the inevitable 'Are you going to volunteer to help with the confiscation?' Matrosov Dec 2015 #13
You won't get that question from me. However... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #15
I'll admit Matrosov Dec 2015 #32
Excellent reply. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #60
"...online forum... no significant consequences..." Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #39
Australia style LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #12
Register them all just like motor vehicles CanonRay Dec 2015 #17
What does 'partial confiscation' mean? nt B2G Dec 2015 #19
The confiscation of those guns that don't meet the new standards el_bryanto Dec 2015 #21
There are very, very few TeddyR Dec 2015 #58
You understand I was asked for a definition, right? el_bryanto Dec 2015 #59
I have an acquaintance who is very much a gun enthusiast. Maedhros Dec 2015 #20
I'm a competitive shooter. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #25
With respect to concealed carry, my primary objection is to the marketing of it. Maedhros Dec 2015 #29
I'm all for fewer knuckleheads. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #56
I hear what you're saying. Maedhros Dec 2015 #62
"More." Orsino Dec 2015 #24
There is no reason for assault weapons or have large ammunition clips still_one Dec 2015 #26
You can keep your dick or your gun, but not both. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #28
Everyone gets an RPG, but gets to fire it only one time. Level the playing field. Rex Dec 2015 #30
Confiscation in exchange for cash flamingdem Dec 2015 #33
No one who just spent $500 on a gun will turn it in for cash. 20,000 million guns sold this year! nt Logical Dec 2015 #34
I am not well informed about gun buying, you're making a very good point flamingdem Dec 2015 #35
I don't mind gun buyback programs. Gets them off the street. So funny how many gun nuts and right... Logical Dec 2015 #38
Heh. "Gets them off the street." I have a better way... Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #41
Rip off their arms. hunter Dec 2015 #36
"Gun love" and intolerance. Such a cheesy way to cut yourself off. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #42
No, you can't bring your guns to my house. hunter Dec 2015 #43
Good. I won't threaten you At All if you come to my house... Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #49
I prefer the 2nd option but Bradical79 Dec 2015 #44
Question for the confiscators: what will you do when people resist? LittleBlue Dec 2015 #45
Just wait until a bunch of cops kill a couple black people Calista241 Dec 2015 #46
Prohibit the manufacture and importation of semi-automatics for sale to civilians Kaleva Dec 2015 #47
License guns and owners oldandhappy Dec 2015 #51
Too late to do anything now. This country is saturated with guns. B Calm Dec 2015 #52
More strict laws. hrmjustin Dec 2015 #53
How about this: after every mass shooting, close every gun store in a 300 mi radius for a month. baldguy Dec 2015 #63
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