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longship

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103. And I disagree with you.

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:26 PM

Dec 2015

I think that it is in the country's interest to protect our children from both disease and ignoramus parents. I would be in favor of a law like Australia has -- no vaccines, no benefits. And California -- no vaccines, no public school for your kids.

And yes, the HPV vaccine at the recommended age would be part of it. It prevents cancer!

That is a responsible health care measure. If you don't like it? Well, no school for your kids.

BTW, I remember grade school before the Salk vaccine. I remember the kids walking with crutches and braces. I remember the kids who would just suddenly disappear from classes. I also remember when the vaccine came out and every single family queued up to get the polio jab. And I remember the booster dose, this time the oral vaccine, it was pink on a little sugar cube. Nobody opted out because everybody was scared witless.

And BTW, cervical cancer is fucking scary and the HPV vaccine prevents it.

Get your vaccines people!

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The world must accept that the HPV vaccine is safe [View all] HuckleB Dec 2015 OP

hpv should be a voluntary vaccine restorefreedom Dec 2015 #1

"we are overvaccinating in this country." trotsky Dec 2015 #2

here ya go restorefreedom Dec 2015 #3

And the number of antigens given is dramatically down. HuckleB Dec 2015 #4

And diseases and sickness are down since 1983... Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2015 #5

Vaccines are good! The CDC recommendations are good. longship Dec 2015 #7

i am not anti vax restorefreedom Dec 2015 #16

Well, the HPV vaccine prevents cancer. longship Dec 2015 #18

am not against hpv vax restorefreedom Dec 2015 #23

It fucking prevents cervical cancer! longship Dec 2015 #26

And it's interesting that the poster is "not anti-vaccine" but... HuckleB Dec 2015 #31

And her argument against the HPV vaccine is utter bollocks. longship Dec 2015 #33

so we should require vacs for diseases not spread through casual contact? restorefreedom Dec 2015 #38

You can repeat your propaganda points over and over again. HuckleB Dec 2015 #41

tomato, tomaaaato restorefreedom Dec 2015 #55

It's an issue for every family, and, thus, the whole community. HuckleB Dec 2015 #56

What are you going to do? longship Dec 2015 #67

ok, one more time restorefreedom Dec 2015 #74

And I disagree with you. longship Dec 2015 #103

i don't disagree with some of what you have said restorefreedom Dec 2015 #147

In my opinion, no vaccines, no school. longship Dec 2015 #145

for publicly communicable diseases, i agree with you. restorefreedom Dec 2015 #158

Hint: both HPV and HepB are communicable. longship Dec 2015 #161

sure they are communicable restorefreedom Dec 2015 #163

Vaccines are easy and simple. They fucking work. longship Dec 2015 #165

not against vaccines restorefreedom Dec 2015 #166

Just those which protect against cervical cancer and liver failure. longship Dec 2015 #168

i am not against the vaccines for either restorefreedom Dec 2015 #175

Just don't try to get your kids into public schools without their vaccinations. longship Dec 2015 #190

i know a lot more about cancer than you realize restorefreedom Dec 2015 #192

" thst doesn't mean i support a mandated vaccine... for a disease not casually spread. " zigby Dec 2015 #198

Managing teenagers and sex? gollygee Dec 2015 #184

then it is a family issue restorefreedom Dec 2015 #188

It's a public health issue gollygee Dec 2015 #191

much easier for the public to protect against restorefreedom Dec 2015 #193

It doesn't matter gollygee Dec 2015 #195

Rape. That happens. The vax coincidentally prevents penile cancer from hpv. elehhhhna Dec 2015 #196

and people are free to get the vaccine if they want to protect themselves in case of crime restorefreedom Dec 2015 #200

Yep. As I said above: HepB is 100x MORE transmissible than HIV. Laffy Kat Dec 2015 #289

Because choice and freedumb? nt longship Dec 2015 #292

You do realize there's a difference....... WillowTree Dec 2015 #199

My standards? I go by the CDC standards. longship Dec 2015 #201

This is exactly the kind of nonsense that drives some people toward the right. WillowTree Dec 2015 #205

+1. nt MADem Dec 2015 #209

Center for Disease Control. longship Dec 2015 #242

As a matter of fact, my kids were vaccinated. WillowTree Dec 2015 #250

Good, then I will allow you to visit with my family. longship Dec 2015 #252

If someone doesn't want their kids vaccinated, that's fine. HuckleB Dec 2015 #293

The disease that we're talking about here is not spread through casual contact. WillowTree Dec 2015 #305

And all of those thing happen quite casually and frequently. HuckleB Dec 2015 #308

But again....... WillowTree Dec 2015 #314

This is the risk. The unvaccinated are not just a danger to themselves. HuckleB Dec 2015 #317

Hpv is spread through "casual contact". Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #310

hpv is NOT spread through non intimate contact restorefreedom Dec 2015 #311

ah so your problem is that it is generally sexually transmitted. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #312

it has nothing to do with it being sexually transmitted restorefreedom Dec 2015 #321

It seems it does. You appear to have a problem with vaccinations against sexually transmitted Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #322

there is nothing to be "honest" about restorefreedom Dec 2015 #323

Humans are often casually intimate. HuckleB Dec 2015 #316

Same here SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2015 #71

agree. i think they are taking advantage of a situation restorefreedom Dec 2015 #81

So diseases that are communicable by common human behavior don't count? HuckleB Dec 2015 #136

Sure they count SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2015 #154

If there was an anti-AIDS vaccine, would you argue against that one too? Archae Dec 2015 #76

i would argue that it should be available and safe restorefreedom Dec 2015 #82

I would encourage everyone I know to get it SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2015 #83

Would you be in favor of the state marching into your home, holding you down and forcing MADem Dec 2015 #264

Make your SON get it. He's the carrier. MADem Dec 2015 #101

Two-thirds is pretty damned good, my friend. longship Dec 2015 #112

Wonderful--pay your five hundred dollars and take the shot, then. Encourage others to do it, too. MADem Dec 2015 #116

i must agree. if it was about public good and not profit, it wouldnt bring a profit. nt. restorefreedom Dec 2015 #181

Thanks for the clear anti-vaccine attack. HuckleB Dec 2015 #204

Thanks for your enthusiastic support of Obscene Profits for Big Pharma!! MADem Dec 2015 #208

In other words, you have nothing to offer to the conversation. HuckleB Dec 2015 #212

In other words, you're just trying to make me go away with snarky comments that MADem Dec 2015 #214

This message was self-deleted by its author MADem Dec 2015 #214

This message was self-deleted by its author MADem Dec 2015 #216

DU stuttered; pardon the multiple posts. nt MADem Dec 2015 #217

All you have offered are non-science based snarky comments. HuckleB Dec 2015 #218

Gee, you wasted no time in mocking me over a DU glitch, but here you are, MADem Dec 2015 #223

Why are you even posting on this thread? HuckleB Dec 2015 #226

Why did you start this non-scientific thread? MADem Dec 2015 #230

Thanks for the baseless rant. HuckleB Dec 2015 #231

There you go again! MADem Dec 2015 #233

It's funny how militant some people are about this. smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #246

More to the point, the damn thing is now included in the ACA, which the poster doesn't mention. MADem Dec 2015 #262

Four times, and you didn't notice until now. HuckleB Dec 2015 #219

Shows what you know--it happened all at once. MADem Dec 2015 #220

It's magic! HuckleB Dec 2015 #222

No, it's a DU glitch that the admins have acknowledged. MADem Dec 2015 #228

HPV vaccines are safe, effective, and save lives. HuckleB Dec 2015 #232

Yes, they are, and they should be given to children when parents, in consultation with their doctors MADem Dec 2015 #235

You aren't even responding to the content of my post, anymore. HuckleB Dec 2015 #237

No I am not--that's another untruth you are shopping. Not sure why you want to MADem Dec 2015 #240

You have no idea what you're talking about. HuckleB Dec 2015 #253

You have no idea what you're talking about. MADem Dec 2015 #256

You haven't posted anything worth discussion. HuckleB Dec 2015 #257

Yes, I have. If it was so "not worth discussion" why do you keep crying at me because MADem Dec 2015 #258

No one ever said it wasn't "complicated." HuckleB Dec 2015 #260

Here--let's UNCOMPLICATE it....let's take you, and the state, out of the equation. MADem Dec 2015 #266

Thanks for clarifying that you clearly don't understand any of this. HuckleB Dec 2015 #271

WOW! You just want to make it up as you go along. (YOUR words...) MADem Dec 2015 #279

LOL! HuckleB Dec 2015 #285

Retiring NVICP Special Master Denise Vowell modulated her convoluted legal decisions over 6 years. proverbialwisdom Dec 2015 #304

Oh, goodie. Anti-vaccine nonsense from DU's hardcore anti-vaccine crowd. HuckleB Dec 2015 #307

Every part of your post is false. That's on every level, incidentally. (nt) proverbialwisdom Dec 2015 #319

Every part of your constant anti-vaccine propaganda is false, on every level. HuckleB Dec 2015 #320

This message was self-deleted by its author gollygee Dec 2015 #268

I can't read that graphic... SidDithers Dec 2015 #10

i think i found it on bing images but here is an article with the info in text form restorefreedom Dec 2015 #13

It's from an anti-vax site. HuckleB Dec 2015 #17

Even better, from your link... SidDithers Dec 2015 #39

I missed that! HuckleB Dec 2015 #40

I wouldn't use the word 'better' of whale.to LeftishBrit Dec 2015 #318

the college of philadelphia physicians is antivax? restorefreedom Dec 2015 #44

How is it that you keep repeating this debunked "point" of yours? HuckleB Dec 2015 #48

we don't know for sure whether this is a long term problem restorefreedom Dec 2015 #53

Yes, we do. HuckleB Dec 2015 #54

hang on to thst if you like restorefreedom Dec 2015 #68

Ah, another logical fallacy offered up. HuckleB Dec 2015 #255

You say you're not anti vax yet post anti vax replies over and over. Huh. uppityperson Dec 2015 #69

i am anti MANDATED vac restorefreedom Dec 2015 #77

We over vax, there us no need for many vxs, etc. Anti vax. uppityperson Dec 2015 #84

there is no confusion at all restorefreedom Dec 2015 #89

All vaccines do have educational material. Did you really not know that? uppityperson Dec 2015 #96

no one should be mandated restorefreedom Dec 2015 #98

Anti-vaxxers at DU should be treated the same a chemtrailers...nt SidDithers Dec 2015 #88

Indeed, Flat-earther-birther-truther-chemtrailers... n/t xocet Dec 2015 #300

We're vaccinating MORE, but how does that Codeine Dec 2015 #11

more of course, is in the eye of the beholder restorefreedom Dec 2015 #14

Nope. HuckleB Dec 2015 #29

as i said in a post below, restorefreedom Dec 2015 #32

Oh, goodness. You did not use the anti-vaccine propaganda about "smart vax." HuckleB Dec 2015 #35

so we are now in the business of mandating restorefreedom Dec 2015 #58

You really don't have any way to justify your stance. HuckleB Dec 2015 #59

Stupid vax is ignoring the CDC recommendations. longship Dec 2015 #37

since it will not be spread through normal school interaction, restorefreedom Dec 2015 #60

The governments greatest role is that of protection. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #90

i realize some kids have crappy parents restorefreedom Dec 2015 #97

"Not easily spread." HuckleB Dec 2015 #100

not spread through normal public contact. restorefreedom Dec 2015 #104

It's quite normal. HuckleB Dec 2015 #108

individual protection by law or regulation. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #109

That doesn't answer the question. trotsky Dec 2015 #12

how about a toxicity study? restorefreedom Dec 2015 #15

So you admit your first chart did nothing to address the question? trotsky Dec 2015 #21

i did not admit the first chart was inconsequential, restorefreedom Dec 2015 #30

It is not I who is tap dancing, sorry. trotsky Dec 2015 #245

we do not have the long term data yet. its too soon restorefreedom Dec 2015 #272

"we do not have the long term data yet. its too soon" trotsky Dec 2015 #277

i said for now it is in the eye of the beholder restorefreedom Dec 2015 #278

No, you made a specific claim that we are "overvaccinating" in this country. trotsky Dec 2015 #280

it is my conclusion, with limited data, that we are overvaccinating restorefreedom Dec 2015 #282

The evidence base is overwhelming in opposition to your opinion. HuckleB Dec 2015 #288

75% of people have HPV gollygee Dec 2015 #62

because if i am not going to get it by someone sneezing on me in a classroom, restorefreedom Dec 2015 #70

It shouldn't be any different than any other vaccination gollygee Dec 2015 #78

up to 18 its a parental decision restorefreedom Dec 2015 #87

The government can mandate seat belts gollygee Dec 2015 #171

not a fan of the seat belt thing either. nt restorefreedom Dec 2015 #176

That tells us all we need to know. HuckleB Dec 2015 #203

For Christ's sake... Dorian Gray Dec 2015 #243

some days i don't feel like putting the belt on restorefreedom Dec 2015 #267

so choice is ok for some things restorefreedom Dec 2015 #276

Agreed. n/t trotsky Dec 2015 #281

That says a lot. n/t xocet Dec 2015 #290

really? restorefreedom Dec 2015 #295

It says that you have libertarian tendencies. Who knows if your username is an ironic joke? xocet Dec 2015 #297

so libertarians can't support science or climate change? restorefreedom Dec 2015 #298

No, it is not assumed that you are any of those things... xocet Dec 2015 #301

for now i will define it this way restorefreedom Dec 2015 #302

That definition has not a single thing to do with your self-purported support of science. Try again. xocet Dec 2015 #303

What's your foolproof method for ensuring your child doesn't have sex? (nt) jeff47 Dec 2015 #80

there is none restorefreedom Dec 2015 #86

Is your kid human? Then they are at significant risk. jeff47 Dec 2015 #91

i never said it was evil restorefreedom Dec 2015 #94

You didn't have to. The implication was clear. jeff47 Dec 2015 #113

children are unfortunately always at risk of having crappy parents restorefreedom Dec 2015 #153

They should all be required, even when you think girls don't do that kind of thing. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2015 #167

disagree, and its not just the girls restorefreedom Dec 2015 #178

The recommendation is currently for both boys and girls to get them. n/t gollygee Dec 2015 #180

at least that is something. nt restorefreedom Dec 2015 #183

You don't use having a cancer-free kid as a reward for "good parenting" gollygee Dec 2015 #172

good parenting would include an open and honest relationship restorefreedom Dec 2015 #177

The vaccine is a several month series of shots gollygee Dec 2015 #179

i don't disagree with most of what you said. restorefreedom Dec 2015 #185

You are arguing against your position.. Thor_MN Dec 2015 #324

i do see that side of it restorefreedom Dec 2015 #325

Well, teenagers are definitely primed for failing to do anything. Thor_MN Dec 2015 #326

Would you get a vaccine against HIV if it was offered? Laffy Kat Dec 2015 #287

given my current risk profile, restorefreedom Dec 2015 #294

the reason for mandatory vaccines restorefreedom Dec 2015 #6

Hep B and HPV kill. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2015 #8

i have no problem with the vaccines being available restorefreedom Dec 2015 #20

Jon Rappoport is a goddamned anti-vaxxer. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2015 #127

That's not the first outright anti-vaccine things that poster has offered. HuckleB Dec 2015 #150

I'm not an anti-vaxxer, Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2015 #248

I know. HuckleB Dec 2015 #254

I know, Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2015 #265

Got it. HuckleB Dec 2015 #269

batshit craziness aside, do you deny that there is a money trail? nt restorefreedom Dec 2015 #156

Yes, I do. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2015 #247

yes, of course the big pharms as well as the pols they own restorefreedom Dec 2015 #275

. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2015 #286

if you say so.....wait, let me grab my hat... restorefreedom Dec 2015 #296

There is an anti-vaccine trope trail. HuckleB Dec 2015 #291

The focus is on decreasing the number of cases of cancer. HuckleB Dec 2015 #9

and i am all for it as an option restorefreedom Dec 2015 #22

You can prefer all you want. HuckleB Dec 2015 #24

it is not an ethical requirement restorefreedom Dec 2015 #34

It is not ethical to withhold those vaccines, and leave people unprotected at that point in life. HuckleB Dec 2015 #36

that is up to each parent to make that choice for their kid restorefreedom Dec 2015 #46

If your kid is going to school with everyone else, no, it's not just up to the parent. HuckleB Dec 2015 #51

if the kid is not having sex with everyone in school, there is no risk restorefreedom Dec 2015 #63

And how, exactly, do you ensure you kid doesn't have sex with anyone? jeff47 Dec 2015 #73

there is no foolproof method of course restorefreedom Dec 2015 #92

You don't have much of a chance, really, but... HuckleB Dec 2015 #105

And to protect children. Rather like car seat requirements. Are you against those too. uppityperson Dec 2015 #72

not a fan of mandated seat belt laws either restorefreedom Dec 2015 #102

Wow. uppityperson Dec 2015 #106

So Dorian Gray Dec 2015 #244

i have a strong libertarian streak restorefreedom Dec 2015 #270

It doesn't protect against all viruses that lead to cervical cancer pnwmom Dec 2015 #19

It's not perfect. HuckleB Dec 2015 #25

It has ZERO effect on 30% of the viruses that cause cervical cancer. pnwmom Dec 2015 #42

Again, it's not perfect. Nor is your repeat of bad propaganda. HuckleB Dec 2015 #47

It isn't propaganda, it's a fact. The vaccine only works for 70% of the viruses. pnwmom Dec 2015 #110

"Only." WOW! That is just bizarre. HuckleB Dec 2015 #142

Two out of three ain't bad for gambling, but not for making health decisions. I agree w/you. nt MADem Dec 2015 #49

Ah, and your posts below are now explained further. HuckleB Dec 2015 #52

That makes no sense, how is reducing risk by about 70% a bad medical decision? n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #75

It isn't necessarily bad -- not as long as women realize that pnwmom Dec 2015 #114

What woman isn't going to get regular pap smears and examinations with the use of vaccines, that... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #125

This is why more research needs to be done. And why people at risk for a blood clot pnwmom Dec 2015 #130

If no causal link is established, what then? What will be your next objection? Because it sounds... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #140

It would be the first time we had ever MANDATED a vaccine pnwmom Dec 2015 #143

Would you say the same for an HIV vaccine? n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #144

I would be more likely to support it for the HIV vaccine., pnwmom Dec 2015 #146

But HIV is most often no longer fatal either, with the right cocktail of anti-virals you can live... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #149

You can keep trying, but there is no logic that will get through here. HuckleB Dec 2015 #151

How would you know? Logic isn't your specialty. pnwmom Dec 2015 #155

Says the anti-vax nutter. n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #157

When that mythical vaccine is developed, I would want to know what the safety data pnwmom Dec 2015 #152

How many years are acceptable to you for such a study, 5 years, 10 years, 20 years, 50 years, 100... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #160

It's not the years that matters. It's how studies are conducted and how many subjects are studied. pnwmom Dec 2015 #164

+10 nt restorefreedom Dec 2015 #186

Exactly. HuckleB Dec 2015 #137

So it works on 70%? Wow, that's not bad. gollygee Dec 2015 #85

It's not a "must." It doesn't obviate the need for pap smears. pnwmom Dec 2015 #115

Of course it doesn't. gollygee Dec 2015 #170

Yes, better to get 100% of cancers than to block 70%. jeff47 Dec 2015 #66

Better to get pap smears on the recommended schedule than to think pnwmom Dec 2015 #117

You know what's even better than that? Covering 70% and getting pap smears. jeff47 Dec 2015 #122

70% of women don't get cervical cancer!!!! In the vast majority of HPV exposures, the virus pnwmom Dec 2015 #129

Yeah...Using shorthand because this is a message board and not a scientific journal. jeff47 Dec 2015 #132

I never claimed the vaccine was "bad." Just that it shouldn't be mandated. pnwmom Dec 2015 #139

MERCK demands it!!! As does Rick Perry, heavily invested in that corporation.... MADem Dec 2015 #27

Do you have something to actually add to the conversation? HuckleB Dec 2015 #28

Do you have a problem READING? MADem Dec 2015 #43

And that is recommended. HuckleB Dec 2015 #45

"Actually snarky post" can be translated to read "commentary I do not like." MADem Dec 2015 #64

You certainly do like to reword reality into your own version. HuckleB Dec 2015 #93

Unnnnh....look who's talking! MADem Dec 2015 #182

You weren't adding anything that isn't already known. HuckleB Dec 2015 #261

Neither are you. See how this kind of thing works? MADem Dec 2015 #263

I see that you think you have something to say. HuckleB Dec 2015 #273

Are you talking to yourself? Because everything you say applies to YOUR contributions here, MADem Dec 2015 #274

+1. n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #173

+1000 smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #249

i'll take a pass on that texas bridge restorefreedom Dec 2015 #50

I am curious, why don't they vaccinate the boys? smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #111

They do. HuckleB Dec 2015 #121

They let the girls be the canaries in the coal mine. MADem Dec 2015 #210

My son was vaccinated. nt hack89 Dec 2015 #251

You realize that Merck makes much more money treating a single case of cancer jeff47 Dec 2015 #61

You seriously want to play "chicken and egg" on this? MADem Dec 2015 #95

No, you wanted to play chicken and egg by only vaccinating the boys. jeff47 Dec 2015 #118

ONLY? MADem Dec 2015 #126

So now we should remove it from the US schedule because other countries haven't caught up? jeff47 Dec 2015 #131

HPV...let each person decide for themselves. peace13 Dec 2015 #57

Uh, no. Just no. Warpy Dec 2015 #65

If these anti-vax nutters were in charge of public health back in the middle of the last century... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #79

Like it or not, not everyone can take vaccines. peace13 Dec 2015 #107

We all know that. HuckleB Dec 2015 #119

And that's why everybody else needs to get them Warpy Dec 2015 #169

That's why it's so important for people who can get them to get them. gollygee Dec 2015 #194

In this case, yes. HPV is not spread through casual contact, pnwmom Dec 2015 #133

We made sure all three of our girls were vaccinated, grntuscarora Dec 2015 #99

Not true and I suggest you educate yourself. zappaman Dec 2015 #120

You're good. HuckleB Dec 2015 #123

Classic zappaman. n/t Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2015 #134

Why do you hate Michelle Obama?... SidDithers Dec 2015 #202

Young women's bodies spontaneously rid themselves of HPV and that's who's marketed to. KittyWampus Dec 2015 #124

Wow! HuckleB Dec 2015 #128

How, so much ignorance compacted into such a brief post. Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #141

I am genuinely surprised at the amount of anti-science woo hifiguy Dec 2015 #135

I am, but only slightly. HuckleB Dec 2015 #138

At least 60 percent of teens have sex by 18, and it's often quite casual. HuckleB Dec 2015 #148

i have not seen one person argue against making the vaccine available restorefreedom Dec 2015 #189

Interestingly... HuckleB Dec 2015 #236

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #159

Welcome to DU. I just sent you a pm, please check it out. Thanks. uppityperson Dec 2015 #162

My boys just got theirs. GreenPartyVoter Dec 2015 #174

It's a vaccine for some of the causes of some of the precursors for some cervical cancers Recursion Dec 2015 #187

Oh, stop bringing adult, nuanced points to a discussion that is determined to demonize some MADem Dec 2015 #211

Thanks for offering up the most careful anti-vaccine mantra available. HuckleB Dec 2015 #224

Hey, pious one, do you have any idea how much time, effort, and money I dedicate to vaccinations? Recursion Dec 2015 #225

Oh, goodness. This is a new attempt at pretense! HuckleB Dec 2015 #227

Ah Recursion Dec 2015 #229

That's cute. HPV vaccines still save lives! HuckleB Dec 2015 #234

I know. That's why I'm for mandating them, oh sanctimonious one (nt) Recursion Dec 2015 #239

My 11 year old daughter just got her 2nd of 3 shots for HPV this week. neverforget Dec 2015 #197

lol - 205 posts, 12 recs. Good going, Tom Sawyer!!! closeupready Dec 2015 #206

Actually, I had no idea that the DU anti-V crowd would be so vehement in this era. HuckleB Dec 2015 #207

Calling DUers "anti-vaxxers" because they don't agree with your MANDATORY MADem Dec 2015 #213

I'm sorry that you don't like that reality. HuckleB Dec 2015 #221

DU, we have a problem. Anti-vaccine members continue to dominate many threads. HuckleB Dec 2015 #238

When you fill your OP's with words like "the world must" -- then no wonder. pnwmom Dec 2015 #306

It's the title of the piece in the OP. And that's not an excuse for anti-vaccine nonsense. HuckleB Dec 2015 #309

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Antivax 101: Tactics and Tropes of the Antivaccine Movement HuckleB Dec 2015 #259

�I�m an expert on my own child� - What does that even mean? Liberal Veteran Dec 2015 #283

Exactly, and yet many people think they can just make it up as they go along... HuckleB Dec 2015 #284

Time To Play Bingo HuckleB Dec 2015 #299

'You cannot reason people out of a position that they did not reason themselves into.' Liberal Veteran Dec 2015 #313

You did a lot of work on that. I hope you posted it to your journal. HuckleB Dec 2015 #315

Those who question some vaccines are not always wrong and EMA is plagued by Carolina Dec 2015 #327

Updates. proverbialwisdom Aug 2016 #328