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Straw Man

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37. That's not a point.
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 08:01 PM
Dec 2015

It's a question -- actually, a series of questions.

What's the penalty for making a straw purchase (that is, one where the buyer who is eligible to purchase and own a firearm does so just to hand it over to a person who is not eligible to own that firearm)? Is it a small fine? A big fine? Is jail time involved?

It's a felony, punishable by up to 10 years in prison and fines of up to $250,000.

http://smartgunlaws.org/straw-purchases-policy-summary/

As far as actual prosecution and sentencing, I would imagine that it varies. In a high-profile case a few years ago in New York, the straw buyer got eight years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Webster,_New_York_shooting

Is the straw buyer on the hook for any crimes committed by the ineligible end user?

No, unless it can be proven that they were part of a conspiracy to commit these crimes.

Is there a database to track what happens to a gun after it passes out of the original buyer's hands?

It varies from state to state. In California, there is.

Although I have a sneaking suspicion I know the answers (and why things are the way they are), I'm happy to cure my ignorance and be 100% wrong.

Does that conform to your "sneaking suspicion"?

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Where did they get their bombs and guns? JonathanRackham Dec 2015 #1
Illegally, obviously. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #6
Not so leftynyc Dec 2015 #9
It appears the two guns were bought legally by someone else darkangel218 Dec 2015 #10
How fucked up is it leftynyc Dec 2015 #12
And from the "black market". darkangel218 Dec 2015 #13
Yeah. Straw Man Dec 2015 #15
The guns were bought legally leftynyc Dec 2015 #16
And handed over illegally. Straw Man Dec 2015 #18
The NRA is against every single leftynyc Dec 2015 #23
It is not helpful to make such statements Mojorabbit Dec 2015 #30
The people didn't ignore the laws -- they circumvented them. Proving the need pnwmom Dec 2015 #35
Missed the point by a mile. Straw Man Dec 2015 #31
How about this point? gratuitous Dec 2015 #33
That's not a point. Straw Man Dec 2015 #37
Thanks for your response gratuitous Dec 2015 #40
You're welcome. Straw Man Dec 2015 #41
That would have been illegal here in Oregon. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #27
It was illegal in California too. Straw Man Dec 2015 #32
What are the consequences for violating this law? Crunchy Frog Dec 2015 #34
Wrong question. beevul Dec 2015 #36
See above post. Straw Man Dec 2015 #38
I was thinking that leftynyc Dec 2015 #39
Loopholes. Straw Man Dec 2015 #43
But we don't know leftynyc Dec 2015 #44
No, we don't. Straw Man Dec 2015 #45
Already know laws were broken leftynyc Dec 2015 #46
You're not making any sense. Straw Man Dec 2015 #49
You're not understanding me leftynyc Dec 2015 #50
I think it's you who doesn't understand. Straw Man Dec 2015 #51
California has UBC laws that prohibit that Lee-Lee Dec 2015 #25
The handguns were bought legally, the rifles are illegal under CA law Lurks Often Dec 2015 #24
Who are Syed Rezwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik? Baclava Dec 2015 #2
they must have been really mad about that workplace argument 6chars Dec 2015 #4
It was premeditated. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #7
Or maybe purposefully started giving him an excuse to leave? polly7 Dec 2015 #8
That is probably what happened. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #11
The rigged car thing - where have I heard that before? 6chars Dec 2015 #14
"The Dead Pool" -- Dirty Harry. Straw Man Dec 2015 #17
Yes, that was it. 6chars Dec 2015 #19
Call of Duty?? Blue_Tires Dec 2015 #47
yes, that was it 6chars Dec 2015 #48
But they had arranged for the mother to watch the baby in the morning, Yo_Mama Dec 2015 #22
wonder where they got the idea and the know-how to rig these things... RayLib Dec 2015 #20
high school auto shop class? 6chars Dec 2015 #21
Remote control car out? What is that? Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #3
Thanks. I posted from my cell. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #5
Just a disgruntled employee... TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2015 #26
Because employees who are happy at their jobs target their coworkers at parties ck4829 Dec 2015 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #28
Wow, they were going to do something even worse. Glad they were stopped finally. Rex Dec 2015 #42
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