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MrScorpio

(73,765 posts)
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 07:11 AM Dec 2015

Listening to the GOPers, they're all talking as if Farook's radicalization is like some alien curse [View all]

Last edited Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:30 AM - Edit history (1)

Some infection that has to be eradicated with a healthy dose of semantics and foreign intervention.

And the guns. Oh, the guns, those precious innocents were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. For shame... But let's leave them out of the discussion, shall we?

The problem with that narrative is that we have the constant implementation of one particular equation; radicalization plus tons of easily obtainable firearms equals mass shootings. So, does one kind of armed radical, who's hellbent on killing lots of people, really matter versus another kind? The end result is pretty much the same, right?

One armed radical, with very little regard for other people's rights and humanity pretty much acts the same as another. Ignoring these incidents as being part of the fabric of our great society and using a particular kind rhetoric against certain people that will never be used for others is nothing more than furthering one's own political agenda. An agenda, such as engendering support for bombing brown people into smithereens in some far off dirt pile, this is nothing more than disingenuous Neocon cheer leading.

And let's not forget that the NRA's checks have cleared for those who are completely unwilling to do anything about the deluge of firearms in this country. The guns themselves are both sacrosanct and innocent. As a matter of fact, some of them are saying that everyone should been armed, that there would have been so many gunshot victims had they been strapped themselves.

You know, I've never been in a gun fight before, but I would hazard a guess that a roomful of armed civilians, all shooting at each other might have created more chaos and dead bodies than the alternative. That teachers shooting over the heads of their pupils might great more carnage. That using the 2nd Amendment as a ready excuse to carry around firearms for any old reason whatsoever would create more and more scenarios where anyone can get shot for any reason under the sun.

Armed radicals shoot people, that's what they do. They really don't need any justification other than their own radicalization to do that, so cherry-picking one kind of armed, murderous, radical thug from another only demonstrates how far one will go to be intellectually dishonest.

Face the facts, this country has a sick society, where people can get radicalized at the drop of a hat and also we're a society that's infested with firearms. Mix the two and we have a recipe for carnage.

I have a theory why this country is so willing to drench itself in bloodshed. I'll have to do a little more thinking about it before I write it.

Otherwise, have a safe Friday everyone.







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They want to say radicalization is bad, and they have no problem attacking where radicals live, but ck4829 Dec 2015 #1
There is an old saying "Might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb" Maeve Dec 2015 #34
Not what that phrase means, though muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #40
That's a limited version of how it's been used in the US Maeve Dec 2015 #55
+1 treestar Dec 2015 #57
Bingo! nt MrScorpio Dec 2015 #79
It's quite a toxic recipe- Snarkoleptic Dec 2015 #2
this country has a sick society?? Blame the victim.. Yorktown Dec 2015 #3
WTF?! hobbit709 Dec 2015 #5
We're a country that has been at war all but 15 years of our existence. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2015 #6
Are you talking of the US or Europe? colonialist exploitative foreign policy? Yorktown Dec 2015 #10
You can begin with the U.S.'s deposition of Mossadegh in Iran in 1953, bullwinkle428 Dec 2015 #14
Not very convincing. Risk of Communism raised by Churchill. Yorktown Dec 2015 #15
Churchill said ArtiChoke Dec 2015 #43
Is potato your favorite color? Yorktown Dec 2015 #46
Um... ArtiChoke Dec 2015 #67
No, I just quoted wiki on the topic Yorktown Dec 2015 #69
No argument here, but it's too late to unring that bell. Oneironaut Dec 2015 #62
. tk2kewl Dec 2015 #8
.. Yorktown Dec 2015 #11
I have no idea what you're talking about MrScorpio Dec 2015 #12
I am talking about one sentence of yours: " this country has a sick society" Yorktown Dec 2015 #16
San Bernadino wasn't an isolated incident MrScorpio Dec 2015 #20
Except that radical Islam is the same in Paris, Nigeria or San Bernardino Yorktown Dec 2015 #21
Did you bother reading the entire OP? MrScorpio Dec 2015 #22
Well, I also disagree with the rest of the post, but that's another point Yorktown Dec 2015 #24
The guy was born and raised in America, he is an American. Why do you avoid the facts? Rex Dec 2015 #27
Conditioning. "Terrorists" are set up in a way that they are supposed to be foreign, other ck4829 Dec 2015 #29
Well, in a discourse, if there is an odd element sticking out, that causes reactions Yorktown Dec 2015 #30
that one conveniently has all the NRA talking points Skittles Dec 2015 #80
We're not living in any of those other countries MrScorpio Dec 2015 #28
I suppose you never stayed overseas much Yorktown Dec 2015 #31
I lived two years in Korea and four years in Europe... MrScorpio Dec 2015 #33
Democracies. Yorktown Dec 2015 #36
The point being that this country is all we Americans have... MrScorpio Dec 2015 #38
I must disagree here too, I'm afraid Yorktown Dec 2015 #41
Frankly, I don't know how could begin to address such a level of naïveté. MrScorpio Dec 2015 #45
I prefer FDR, Keynes, JFK, Clinton and Obama. Yorktown Dec 2015 #47
I'm wondering, dude, how old are you? MrScorpio Dec 2015 #48
A difference of opinion isn't a sign of immaturity Yorktown Dec 2015 #49
Embarrassed? MrScorpio Dec 2015 #52
Well, we agree on one thing: never stop asking questions Yorktown Dec 2015 #54
I have one last thing for you to consider... MrScorpio Dec 2015 #58
I disagree with many of your statements here #58 Yorktown Dec 2015 #63
You're right and everyone else is wrong... Yeah, I get that. MrScorpio Dec 2015 #66
No, no, no, the US is sick and I am wrong Yorktown Dec 2015 #68
You're really defensive about this, aren't you? MrScorpio Dec 2015 #71
I already mentioned the US is far from perfect Yorktown Dec 2015 #72
I also mentioned before that sick is a relative term here, only in regards to ourselves. MrScorpio Dec 2015 #74
Well, if you use words as they suit you, fine. Yorktown Dec 2015 #75
Healthier society than European and Asian democracies? morningfog Dec 2015 #78
So would we be a "sick society" if we were talking about Columbine, Littleton, Atlanta bombings, A Simple Game Dec 2015 #35
Are letter bombs, anthrax letters a frequent occurence in the US? Yorktown Dec 2015 #37
People dying from riots and car fires are a possibility not the intent. But when A Simple Game Dec 2015 #70
I answered in #72 Yorktown Dec 2015 #73
Their societies may be sick too treestar Dec 2015 #64
So the guy that tried to blow up the PP building, you just going to avoid Rex Dec 2015 #26
Try to ask questions when you do not know someone and their opinions. Yorktown Dec 2015 #32
You should too, your replies to the OP make you now sound completely hypocritical. Rex Dec 2015 #39
I challenge you to back that word hypocritical Yorktown Dec 2015 #42
Why do you forget the radicalized Christians in this country? Where do they come from? KittyWampus Dec 2015 #44
I can prove to you I bash equally all religions in one link Yorktown Dec 2015 #50
Not all shooters are Muslims treestar Dec 2015 #59
Poverty. The genesis of radicalism, extremism and crime. LanternWaste Dec 2015 #60
The thing I'm notibing this morning, on Morning Joke, is the desperation to blame Obama. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2015 #4
^^^this^^^ Freddie Dec 2015 #7
I can dig it. nt MrScorpio Dec 2015 #9
Blaming Obama is for this is pure demagoguery Yorktown Dec 2015 #13
They found 12 pipe bombs. He was planning something far worse, but he fucked up. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #18
Cheering at the notion that "all Muslims should be registered" is radicalization. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #17
Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #23
Sweet jesus. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #25
I'm wondering who Obama could have bombed to prevent this world wide wally Dec 2015 #19
I never hear the right talk radicalization when it's a white Christian killing spree. Tommy2Tone Dec 2015 #51
Their silence speaks volumes. nt MrScorpio Dec 2015 #53
Very good treestar Dec 2015 #56
That's a 180 in attitude from what you posted on Sunday LittleBlue Dec 2015 #61
In a specific sense, you're right. MrScorpio Dec 2015 #65
Exactly melman Dec 2015 #81
Would Dr. Tiller be dead if not for a radicalized Christian with a gun? valerief Dec 2015 #76
Damn Skippy! nt MrScorpio Dec 2015 #77
ONE group of radicals has the caliphate angle going for them. Waiting For Everyman Dec 2015 #82
Great post melman Dec 2015 #83
Well, for one thing, the chances of Daesh establishing itself in this country… MrScorpio Dec 2015 #84
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