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MADem

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262. More to the point, the damn thing is now included in the ACA, which the poster doesn't mention.

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:10 PM

Dec 2015

He just wants to ORDER parents to get that vaccine for their kids Right F---ing NOW, on a timeline that suits him, for reasons that are unclear to everyone.

Children do not all develop at the same rate. A twelve year old can look like he or she is eighteen, and can also pass for a third grader. It just depends on the kid. Some kids want to jump right into the "Where are those boys/girls?" dating/romance/hook-up mentality, and others don't develop that kind of confidence or interest until they are half way through high school or even in college. Having the state say "You can't enter grade X unless you have this vaccine" is nonsensical--particularly when the thing needs a booster after eight to ten years, and who pays for that?

Parents, children and doctors are the ones who need to figure out what the appropriate timeline is for their child--not Big Brother on DU. It's not the job of the state, unless the state is going to start teaching Interactive Sex Education (with "hands on" Lab Sessions) in grade eight, or something.

It's just stupid for states to force this issue, and stupider for anyone to ENDORSE the state trying to bully people into following "their timeline" for what's "best" re: this matter. I can't see this one passing Supreme Court muster--people do have a right to do what they want with their bodies, when they want, without the state interfering. This isn't something where "failing to vaccinate" is going to take down the sixth grade and put everyone in the hospital or at home in quarantine--and that is where "mandatory" comes in. Measles....yep. Mumps...sure. Bubonic Plague...absolutely! HPV. Nope. Parents with pediatricians, you make the call. Not the state's business.

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The world must accept that the HPV vaccine is safe [View all] HuckleB Dec 2015 OP

hpv should be a voluntary vaccine restorefreedom Dec 2015 #1

"we are overvaccinating in this country." trotsky Dec 2015 #2

here ya go restorefreedom Dec 2015 #3

And the number of antigens given is dramatically down. HuckleB Dec 2015 #4

And diseases and sickness are down since 1983... Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2015 #5

Vaccines are good! The CDC recommendations are good. longship Dec 2015 #7

i am not anti vax restorefreedom Dec 2015 #16

Well, the HPV vaccine prevents cancer. longship Dec 2015 #18

am not against hpv vax restorefreedom Dec 2015 #23

It fucking prevents cervical cancer! longship Dec 2015 #26

And it's interesting that the poster is "not anti-vaccine" but... HuckleB Dec 2015 #31

And her argument against the HPV vaccine is utter bollocks. longship Dec 2015 #33

so we should require vacs for diseases not spread through casual contact? restorefreedom Dec 2015 #38

You can repeat your propaganda points over and over again. HuckleB Dec 2015 #41

tomato, tomaaaato restorefreedom Dec 2015 #55

It's an issue for every family, and, thus, the whole community. HuckleB Dec 2015 #56

What are you going to do? longship Dec 2015 #67

ok, one more time restorefreedom Dec 2015 #74

And I disagree with you. longship Dec 2015 #103

i don't disagree with some of what you have said restorefreedom Dec 2015 #147

In my opinion, no vaccines, no school. longship Dec 2015 #145

for publicly communicable diseases, i agree with you. restorefreedom Dec 2015 #158

Hint: both HPV and HepB are communicable. longship Dec 2015 #161

sure they are communicable restorefreedom Dec 2015 #163

Vaccines are easy and simple. They fucking work. longship Dec 2015 #165

not against vaccines restorefreedom Dec 2015 #166

Just those which protect against cervical cancer and liver failure. longship Dec 2015 #168

i am not against the vaccines for either restorefreedom Dec 2015 #175

Just don't try to get your kids into public schools without their vaccinations. longship Dec 2015 #190

i know a lot more about cancer than you realize restorefreedom Dec 2015 #192

" thst doesn't mean i support a mandated vaccine... for a disease not casually spread. " zigby Dec 2015 #198

Managing teenagers and sex? gollygee Dec 2015 #184

then it is a family issue restorefreedom Dec 2015 #188

It's a public health issue gollygee Dec 2015 #191

much easier for the public to protect against restorefreedom Dec 2015 #193

It doesn't matter gollygee Dec 2015 #195

Rape. That happens. The vax coincidentally prevents penile cancer from hpv. elehhhhna Dec 2015 #196

and people are free to get the vaccine if they want to protect themselves in case of crime restorefreedom Dec 2015 #200

Yep. As I said above: HepB is 100x MORE transmissible than HIV. Laffy Kat Dec 2015 #289

Because choice and freedumb? nt longship Dec 2015 #292

You do realize there's a difference....... WillowTree Dec 2015 #199

My standards? I go by the CDC standards. longship Dec 2015 #201

This is exactly the kind of nonsense that drives some people toward the right. WillowTree Dec 2015 #205

+1. nt MADem Dec 2015 #209

Center for Disease Control. longship Dec 2015 #242

As a matter of fact, my kids were vaccinated. WillowTree Dec 2015 #250

Good, then I will allow you to visit with my family. longship Dec 2015 #252

If someone doesn't want their kids vaccinated, that's fine. HuckleB Dec 2015 #293

The disease that we're talking about here is not spread through casual contact. WillowTree Dec 2015 #305

And all of those thing happen quite casually and frequently. HuckleB Dec 2015 #308

But again....... WillowTree Dec 2015 #314

This is the risk. The unvaccinated are not just a danger to themselves. HuckleB Dec 2015 #317

Hpv is spread through "casual contact". Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #310

hpv is NOT spread through non intimate contact restorefreedom Dec 2015 #311

ah so your problem is that it is generally sexually transmitted. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #312

it has nothing to do with it being sexually transmitted restorefreedom Dec 2015 #321

It seems it does. You appear to have a problem with vaccinations against sexually transmitted Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #322

there is nothing to be "honest" about restorefreedom Dec 2015 #323

Humans are often casually intimate. HuckleB Dec 2015 #316

Same here SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2015 #71

agree. i think they are taking advantage of a situation restorefreedom Dec 2015 #81

So diseases that are communicable by common human behavior don't count? HuckleB Dec 2015 #136

Sure they count SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2015 #154

If there was an anti-AIDS vaccine, would you argue against that one too? Archae Dec 2015 #76

i would argue that it should be available and safe restorefreedom Dec 2015 #82

I would encourage everyone I know to get it SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2015 #83

Would you be in favor of the state marching into your home, holding you down and forcing MADem Dec 2015 #264

Make your SON get it. He's the carrier. MADem Dec 2015 #101

Two-thirds is pretty damned good, my friend. longship Dec 2015 #112

Wonderful--pay your five hundred dollars and take the shot, then. Encourage others to do it, too. MADem Dec 2015 #116

i must agree. if it was about public good and not profit, it wouldnt bring a profit. nt. restorefreedom Dec 2015 #181

Thanks for the clear anti-vaccine attack. HuckleB Dec 2015 #204

Thanks for your enthusiastic support of Obscene Profits for Big Pharma!! MADem Dec 2015 #208

In other words, you have nothing to offer to the conversation. HuckleB Dec 2015 #212

In other words, you're just trying to make me go away with snarky comments that MADem Dec 2015 #214

This message was self-deleted by its author MADem Dec 2015 #214

This message was self-deleted by its author MADem Dec 2015 #216

DU stuttered; pardon the multiple posts. nt MADem Dec 2015 #217

All you have offered are non-science based snarky comments. HuckleB Dec 2015 #218

Gee, you wasted no time in mocking me over a DU glitch, but here you are, MADem Dec 2015 #223

Why are you even posting on this thread? HuckleB Dec 2015 #226

Why did you start this non-scientific thread? MADem Dec 2015 #230

Thanks for the baseless rant. HuckleB Dec 2015 #231

There you go again! MADem Dec 2015 #233

It's funny how militant some people are about this. smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #246

More to the point, the damn thing is now included in the ACA, which the poster doesn't mention. MADem Dec 2015 #262

Four times, and you didn't notice until now. HuckleB Dec 2015 #219

Shows what you know--it happened all at once. MADem Dec 2015 #220

It's magic! HuckleB Dec 2015 #222

No, it's a DU glitch that the admins have acknowledged. MADem Dec 2015 #228

HPV vaccines are safe, effective, and save lives. HuckleB Dec 2015 #232

Yes, they are, and they should be given to children when parents, in consultation with their doctors MADem Dec 2015 #235

You aren't even responding to the content of my post, anymore. HuckleB Dec 2015 #237

No I am not--that's another untruth you are shopping. Not sure why you want to MADem Dec 2015 #240

You have no idea what you're talking about. HuckleB Dec 2015 #253

You have no idea what you're talking about. MADem Dec 2015 #256

You haven't posted anything worth discussion. HuckleB Dec 2015 #257

Yes, I have. If it was so "not worth discussion" why do you keep crying at me because MADem Dec 2015 #258

No one ever said it wasn't "complicated." HuckleB Dec 2015 #260

Here--let's UNCOMPLICATE it....let's take you, and the state, out of the equation. MADem Dec 2015 #266

Thanks for clarifying that you clearly don't understand any of this. HuckleB Dec 2015 #271

WOW! You just want to make it up as you go along. (YOUR words...) MADem Dec 2015 #279

LOL! HuckleB Dec 2015 #285

Retiring NVICP Special Master Denise Vowell modulated her convoluted legal decisions over 6 years. proverbialwisdom Dec 2015 #304

Oh, goodie. Anti-vaccine nonsense from DU's hardcore anti-vaccine crowd. HuckleB Dec 2015 #307

Every part of your post is false. That's on every level, incidentally. (nt) proverbialwisdom Dec 2015 #319

Every part of your constant anti-vaccine propaganda is false, on every level. HuckleB Dec 2015 #320

This message was self-deleted by its author gollygee Dec 2015 #268

I can't read that graphic... SidDithers Dec 2015 #10

i think i found it on bing images but here is an article with the info in text form restorefreedom Dec 2015 #13

It's from an anti-vax site. HuckleB Dec 2015 #17

Even better, from your link... SidDithers Dec 2015 #39

I missed that! HuckleB Dec 2015 #40

I wouldn't use the word 'better' of whale.to LeftishBrit Dec 2015 #318

the college of philadelphia physicians is antivax? restorefreedom Dec 2015 #44

How is it that you keep repeating this debunked "point" of yours? HuckleB Dec 2015 #48

we don't know for sure whether this is a long term problem restorefreedom Dec 2015 #53

Yes, we do. HuckleB Dec 2015 #54

hang on to thst if you like restorefreedom Dec 2015 #68

Ah, another logical fallacy offered up. HuckleB Dec 2015 #255

You say you're not anti vax yet post anti vax replies over and over. Huh. uppityperson Dec 2015 #69

i am anti MANDATED vac restorefreedom Dec 2015 #77

We over vax, there us no need for many vxs, etc. Anti vax. uppityperson Dec 2015 #84

there is no confusion at all restorefreedom Dec 2015 #89

All vaccines do have educational material. Did you really not know that? uppityperson Dec 2015 #96

no one should be mandated restorefreedom Dec 2015 #98

Anti-vaxxers at DU should be treated the same a chemtrailers...nt SidDithers Dec 2015 #88

Indeed, Flat-earther-birther-truther-chemtrailers... n/t xocet Dec 2015 #300

We're vaccinating MORE, but how does that Codeine Dec 2015 #11

more of course, is in the eye of the beholder restorefreedom Dec 2015 #14

Nope. HuckleB Dec 2015 #29

as i said in a post below, restorefreedom Dec 2015 #32

Oh, goodness. You did not use the anti-vaccine propaganda about "smart vax." HuckleB Dec 2015 #35

so we are now in the business of mandating restorefreedom Dec 2015 #58

You really don't have any way to justify your stance. HuckleB Dec 2015 #59

Stupid vax is ignoring the CDC recommendations. longship Dec 2015 #37

since it will not be spread through normal school interaction, restorefreedom Dec 2015 #60

The governments greatest role is that of protection. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #90

i realize some kids have crappy parents restorefreedom Dec 2015 #97

"Not easily spread." HuckleB Dec 2015 #100

not spread through normal public contact. restorefreedom Dec 2015 #104

It's quite normal. HuckleB Dec 2015 #108

individual protection by law or regulation. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #109

That doesn't answer the question. trotsky Dec 2015 #12

how about a toxicity study? restorefreedom Dec 2015 #15

So you admit your first chart did nothing to address the question? trotsky Dec 2015 #21

i did not admit the first chart was inconsequential, restorefreedom Dec 2015 #30

It is not I who is tap dancing, sorry. trotsky Dec 2015 #245

we do not have the long term data yet. its too soon restorefreedom Dec 2015 #272

"we do not have the long term data yet. its too soon" trotsky Dec 2015 #277

i said for now it is in the eye of the beholder restorefreedom Dec 2015 #278

No, you made a specific claim that we are "overvaccinating" in this country. trotsky Dec 2015 #280

it is my conclusion, with limited data, that we are overvaccinating restorefreedom Dec 2015 #282

The evidence base is overwhelming in opposition to your opinion. HuckleB Dec 2015 #288

75% of people have HPV gollygee Dec 2015 #62

because if i am not going to get it by someone sneezing on me in a classroom, restorefreedom Dec 2015 #70

It shouldn't be any different than any other vaccination gollygee Dec 2015 #78

up to 18 its a parental decision restorefreedom Dec 2015 #87

The government can mandate seat belts gollygee Dec 2015 #171

not a fan of the seat belt thing either. nt restorefreedom Dec 2015 #176

That tells us all we need to know. HuckleB Dec 2015 #203

For Christ's sake... Dorian Gray Dec 2015 #243

some days i don't feel like putting the belt on restorefreedom Dec 2015 #267

so choice is ok for some things restorefreedom Dec 2015 #276

Agreed. n/t trotsky Dec 2015 #281

That says a lot. n/t xocet Dec 2015 #290

really? restorefreedom Dec 2015 #295

It says that you have libertarian tendencies. Who knows if your username is an ironic joke? xocet Dec 2015 #297

so libertarians can't support science or climate change? restorefreedom Dec 2015 #298

No, it is not assumed that you are any of those things... xocet Dec 2015 #301

for now i will define it this way restorefreedom Dec 2015 #302

That definition has not a single thing to do with your self-purported support of science. Try again. xocet Dec 2015 #303

What's your foolproof method for ensuring your child doesn't have sex? (nt) jeff47 Dec 2015 #80

there is none restorefreedom Dec 2015 #86

Is your kid human? Then they are at significant risk. jeff47 Dec 2015 #91

i never said it was evil restorefreedom Dec 2015 #94

You didn't have to. The implication was clear. jeff47 Dec 2015 #113

children are unfortunately always at risk of having crappy parents restorefreedom Dec 2015 #153

They should all be required, even when you think girls don't do that kind of thing. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2015 #167

disagree, and its not just the girls restorefreedom Dec 2015 #178

The recommendation is currently for both boys and girls to get them. n/t gollygee Dec 2015 #180

at least that is something. nt restorefreedom Dec 2015 #183

You don't use having a cancer-free kid as a reward for "good parenting" gollygee Dec 2015 #172

good parenting would include an open and honest relationship restorefreedom Dec 2015 #177

The vaccine is a several month series of shots gollygee Dec 2015 #179

i don't disagree with most of what you said. restorefreedom Dec 2015 #185

You are arguing against your position.. Thor_MN Dec 2015 #324

i do see that side of it restorefreedom Dec 2015 #325

Well, teenagers are definitely primed for failing to do anything. Thor_MN Dec 2015 #326

Would you get a vaccine against HIV if it was offered? Laffy Kat Dec 2015 #287

given my current risk profile, restorefreedom Dec 2015 #294

the reason for mandatory vaccines restorefreedom Dec 2015 #6

Hep B and HPV kill. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2015 #8

i have no problem with the vaccines being available restorefreedom Dec 2015 #20

Jon Rappoport is a goddamned anti-vaxxer. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2015 #127

That's not the first outright anti-vaccine things that poster has offered. HuckleB Dec 2015 #150

I'm not an anti-vaxxer, Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2015 #248

I know. HuckleB Dec 2015 #254

I know, Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2015 #265

Got it. HuckleB Dec 2015 #269

batshit craziness aside, do you deny that there is a money trail? nt restorefreedom Dec 2015 #156

Yes, I do. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2015 #247

yes, of course the big pharms as well as the pols they own restorefreedom Dec 2015 #275

. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2015 #286

if you say so.....wait, let me grab my hat... restorefreedom Dec 2015 #296

There is an anti-vaccine trope trail. HuckleB Dec 2015 #291

The focus is on decreasing the number of cases of cancer. HuckleB Dec 2015 #9

and i am all for it as an option restorefreedom Dec 2015 #22

You can prefer all you want. HuckleB Dec 2015 #24

it is not an ethical requirement restorefreedom Dec 2015 #34

It is not ethical to withhold those vaccines, and leave people unprotected at that point in life. HuckleB Dec 2015 #36

that is up to each parent to make that choice for their kid restorefreedom Dec 2015 #46

If your kid is going to school with everyone else, no, it's not just up to the parent. HuckleB Dec 2015 #51

if the kid is not having sex with everyone in school, there is no risk restorefreedom Dec 2015 #63

And how, exactly, do you ensure you kid doesn't have sex with anyone? jeff47 Dec 2015 #73

there is no foolproof method of course restorefreedom Dec 2015 #92

You don't have much of a chance, really, but... HuckleB Dec 2015 #105

And to protect children. Rather like car seat requirements. Are you against those too. uppityperson Dec 2015 #72

not a fan of mandated seat belt laws either restorefreedom Dec 2015 #102

Wow. uppityperson Dec 2015 #106

So Dorian Gray Dec 2015 #244

i have a strong libertarian streak restorefreedom Dec 2015 #270

It doesn't protect against all viruses that lead to cervical cancer pnwmom Dec 2015 #19

It's not perfect. HuckleB Dec 2015 #25

It has ZERO effect on 30% of the viruses that cause cervical cancer. pnwmom Dec 2015 #42

Again, it's not perfect. Nor is your repeat of bad propaganda. HuckleB Dec 2015 #47

It isn't propaganda, it's a fact. The vaccine only works for 70% of the viruses. pnwmom Dec 2015 #110

"Only." WOW! That is just bizarre. HuckleB Dec 2015 #142

Two out of three ain't bad for gambling, but not for making health decisions. I agree w/you. nt MADem Dec 2015 #49

Ah, and your posts below are now explained further. HuckleB Dec 2015 #52

That makes no sense, how is reducing risk by about 70% a bad medical decision? n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #75

It isn't necessarily bad -- not as long as women realize that pnwmom Dec 2015 #114

What woman isn't going to get regular pap smears and examinations with the use of vaccines, that... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #125

This is why more research needs to be done. And why people at risk for a blood clot pnwmom Dec 2015 #130

If no causal link is established, what then? What will be your next objection? Because it sounds... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #140

It would be the first time we had ever MANDATED a vaccine pnwmom Dec 2015 #143

Would you say the same for an HIV vaccine? n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #144

I would be more likely to support it for the HIV vaccine., pnwmom Dec 2015 #146

But HIV is most often no longer fatal either, with the right cocktail of anti-virals you can live... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #149

You can keep trying, but there is no logic that will get through here. HuckleB Dec 2015 #151

How would you know? Logic isn't your specialty. pnwmom Dec 2015 #155

Says the anti-vax nutter. n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #157

When that mythical vaccine is developed, I would want to know what the safety data pnwmom Dec 2015 #152

How many years are acceptable to you for such a study, 5 years, 10 years, 20 years, 50 years, 100... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #160

It's not the years that matters. It's how studies are conducted and how many subjects are studied. pnwmom Dec 2015 #164

+10 nt restorefreedom Dec 2015 #186

Exactly. HuckleB Dec 2015 #137

So it works on 70%? Wow, that's not bad. gollygee Dec 2015 #85

It's not a "must." It doesn't obviate the need for pap smears. pnwmom Dec 2015 #115

Of course it doesn't. gollygee Dec 2015 #170

Yes, better to get 100% of cancers than to block 70%. jeff47 Dec 2015 #66

Better to get pap smears on the recommended schedule than to think pnwmom Dec 2015 #117

You know what's even better than that? Covering 70% and getting pap smears. jeff47 Dec 2015 #122

70% of women don't get cervical cancer!!!! In the vast majority of HPV exposures, the virus pnwmom Dec 2015 #129

Yeah...Using shorthand because this is a message board and not a scientific journal. jeff47 Dec 2015 #132

I never claimed the vaccine was "bad." Just that it shouldn't be mandated. pnwmom Dec 2015 #139

MERCK demands it!!! As does Rick Perry, heavily invested in that corporation.... MADem Dec 2015 #27

Do you have something to actually add to the conversation? HuckleB Dec 2015 #28

Do you have a problem READING? MADem Dec 2015 #43

And that is recommended. HuckleB Dec 2015 #45

"Actually snarky post" can be translated to read "commentary I do not like." MADem Dec 2015 #64

You certainly do like to reword reality into your own version. HuckleB Dec 2015 #93

Unnnnh....look who's talking! MADem Dec 2015 #182

You weren't adding anything that isn't already known. HuckleB Dec 2015 #261

Neither are you. See how this kind of thing works? MADem Dec 2015 #263

I see that you think you have something to say. HuckleB Dec 2015 #273

Are you talking to yourself? Because everything you say applies to YOUR contributions here, MADem Dec 2015 #274

+1. n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #173

+1000 smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #249

i'll take a pass on that texas bridge restorefreedom Dec 2015 #50

I am curious, why don't they vaccinate the boys? smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #111

They do. HuckleB Dec 2015 #121

They let the girls be the canaries in the coal mine. MADem Dec 2015 #210

My son was vaccinated. nt hack89 Dec 2015 #251

You realize that Merck makes much more money treating a single case of cancer jeff47 Dec 2015 #61

You seriously want to play "chicken and egg" on this? MADem Dec 2015 #95

No, you wanted to play chicken and egg by only vaccinating the boys. jeff47 Dec 2015 #118

ONLY? MADem Dec 2015 #126

So now we should remove it from the US schedule because other countries haven't caught up? jeff47 Dec 2015 #131

HPV...let each person decide for themselves. peace13 Dec 2015 #57

Uh, no. Just no. Warpy Dec 2015 #65

If these anti-vax nutters were in charge of public health back in the middle of the last century... Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #79

Like it or not, not everyone can take vaccines. peace13 Dec 2015 #107

We all know that. HuckleB Dec 2015 #119

And that's why everybody else needs to get them Warpy Dec 2015 #169

That's why it's so important for people who can get them to get them. gollygee Dec 2015 #194

In this case, yes. HPV is not spread through casual contact, pnwmom Dec 2015 #133

We made sure all three of our girls were vaccinated, grntuscarora Dec 2015 #99

Not true and I suggest you educate yourself. zappaman Dec 2015 #120

You're good. HuckleB Dec 2015 #123

Classic zappaman. n/t Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2015 #134

Why do you hate Michelle Obama?... SidDithers Dec 2015 #202

Young women's bodies spontaneously rid themselves of HPV and that's who's marketed to. KittyWampus Dec 2015 #124

Wow! HuckleB Dec 2015 #128

How, so much ignorance compacted into such a brief post. Humanist_Activist Dec 2015 #141

I am genuinely surprised at the amount of anti-science woo hifiguy Dec 2015 #135

I am, but only slightly. HuckleB Dec 2015 #138

At least 60 percent of teens have sex by 18, and it's often quite casual. HuckleB Dec 2015 #148

i have not seen one person argue against making the vaccine available restorefreedom Dec 2015 #189

Interestingly... HuckleB Dec 2015 #236

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #159

Welcome to DU. I just sent you a pm, please check it out. Thanks. uppityperson Dec 2015 #162

My boys just got theirs. GreenPartyVoter Dec 2015 #174

It's a vaccine for some of the causes of some of the precursors for some cervical cancers Recursion Dec 2015 #187

Oh, stop bringing adult, nuanced points to a discussion that is determined to demonize some MADem Dec 2015 #211

Thanks for offering up the most careful anti-vaccine mantra available. HuckleB Dec 2015 #224

Hey, pious one, do you have any idea how much time, effort, and money I dedicate to vaccinations? Recursion Dec 2015 #225

Oh, goodness. This is a new attempt at pretense! HuckleB Dec 2015 #227

Ah Recursion Dec 2015 #229

That's cute. HPV vaccines still save lives! HuckleB Dec 2015 #234

I know. That's why I'm for mandating them, oh sanctimonious one (nt) Recursion Dec 2015 #239

My 11 year old daughter just got her 2nd of 3 shots for HPV this week. neverforget Dec 2015 #197

lol - 205 posts, 12 recs. Good going, Tom Sawyer!!! closeupready Dec 2015 #206

Actually, I had no idea that the DU anti-V crowd would be so vehement in this era. HuckleB Dec 2015 #207

Calling DUers "anti-vaxxers" because they don't agree with your MANDATORY MADem Dec 2015 #213

I'm sorry that you don't like that reality. HuckleB Dec 2015 #221

DU, we have a problem. Anti-vaccine members continue to dominate many threads. HuckleB Dec 2015 #238

When you fill your OP's with words like "the world must" -- then no wonder. pnwmom Dec 2015 #306

It's the title of the piece in the OP. And that's not an excuse for anti-vaccine nonsense. HuckleB Dec 2015 #309

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Antivax 101: Tactics and Tropes of the Antivaccine Movement HuckleB Dec 2015 #259

�I�m an expert on my own child� - What does that even mean? Liberal Veteran Dec 2015 #283

Exactly, and yet many people think they can just make it up as they go along... HuckleB Dec 2015 #284

Time To Play Bingo HuckleB Dec 2015 #299

'You cannot reason people out of a position that they did not reason themselves into.' Liberal Veteran Dec 2015 #313

You did a lot of work on that. I hope you posted it to your journal. HuckleB Dec 2015 #315

Those who question some vaccines are not always wrong and EMA is plagued by Carolina Dec 2015 #327

Updates. proverbialwisdom Aug 2016 #328