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Tsiyu

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64. We in the US appear not to have received the memo
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:04 PM
Dec 2015

There is a malignant, metastasizing, desolating WAR going on in the Middle East.

Syrians and other refugees aren't fleeing to Germany for Oktoberfest. They're doing the same thing you or I or anyone smart would do when war has come to their homes: grab their little ones by the hands and flee from bombed out homes and streets and gunfire and Daesh demons kidnapping and raping their daughters, wives and mothers - and recruiting their sons.

We are far removed in our relative safety, but elsewhere there are bombings and bloodcurdling screams.

We've left a lot of military hardware behind.in the Middle East and it's in bad hands. We've left even more sorrow behind.

Those Ba'athists of Saddam's are now Daesh, thanks to our invasion of Iraq and absolute mangling of its new government. People in the Middle East who have lost everything due to the constant tribal/Russian/US/ blah blah blah invasions are now Daesh, partially thanks to us. There is much simmering resentment, not for our freedoms, but for our blatant destruction of their towns and people. Right or wrong, Christian or Muslim or Atheist, conservative or liberal, no matter which side of the fence you're on, you have to face the facts and see that goddamned reality is goddamned reality.

Human grudges are strange things. I live in the South, where Yankees are still hated to this day. People don't like to lose or experience degradation from invaders. People in the Middle East who get the wars brought to their doorsteps want people in the US to understand what that's like. That's what this sort of terrorism represents: YOU WILL FEEL MY PAIN.

There have been some pretty severe losses recently on both sides. Daesh members may be panicking and feel the need to step up attacks. We're killing Daesh members, and these are actual humans that other people, as difficult as it may be to hear, love and care about very much.

All of it is wrong. All of the religious sorts--who are deluded into thinking their god is so petty and weak, He or She or IT needs them to kill innocent people to make the world better--are frantic, manic zealots who are blinded by their devotion to a cause that makes them special, set apart, destined for reward.

Humans love that carrot on a stick thing, that feeling of being on a crusade, a holy mission only they can accomplish. They love imagining their God hizzownself patting them on the head and telling them how good they are. They like feeling superior, and they take that to indicate they ARE superior.

Then they get guns and go kill for their sky daddy.

What does their child matter? Just like the Christian parents who spent hours in a church with other members pummeling their son to death, zealotry blinds its victims from experiencing love.

All they know is hatred for anything that isn't them, or their Allah, Yawai, God, what the fuck ever....


My random $.02 so I could put off washing dishes and raking leaves.

Have a great weekend DU

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I've been asking myself the same question all day. Photographer Dec 2015 #1
I want to know, he's getting 72 Virgins, What was she getting? ileus Dec 2015 #2
Maybe he ordered her to obey him. Cleita Dec 2015 #8
From everything I'm reading, SHE radicalized HIM. nt B2G Dec 2015 #49
They are making assumptions. There is no evidence right now as to whom radicalized whom. Cleita Dec 2015 #70
Any you are making assumptions based on your upbringing. B2G Dec 2015 #73
No. I am putting out a theory and I could be wrong that maybe she's not at fault. Cleita Dec 2015 #75
Sorry, in no way is she a "victim". Yavin4 Dec 2015 #91
You have your opinion. Until more information comes out, I have mine. eom Cleita Dec 2015 #98
reading your post makes me so sad.... renate Dec 2015 #87
Hah, true dilemma, but I suspect she was "turned" and for that reason flamingdem Dec 2015 #12
LOL I'm going to assume their version of heaven doesn't give equality Marrah_G Dec 2015 #18
Why do you assume that it was the husband that convinced the wife? Yavin4 Dec 2015 #48
This. nt B2G Dec 2015 #50
That nasty Eve again raising her fruit eating devilish head bring about the fall of a man. eom Cleita Dec 2015 #71
Women are immune from being evil? Yavin4 Dec 2015 #89
Read my post #75 on this thread. eom Cleita Dec 2015 #90
No what I asked is if Allah promised 72 Virgins to Him, what is she promised ileus Dec 2015 #72
It's a mistranslation. librarylu Dec 2015 #88
Do they know this??? ileus Dec 2015 #95
Called radicalization. Going out as martyrs seemed to be the most important thing in their Waldorf Dec 2015 #3
That's the crazy part. Chan790 Dec 2015 #4
they hated others more than they loved her. they would probably killed her JI7 Dec 2015 #5
That is what I don't get about radical muslims. It seems like it would be human smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #13
"...seem to love their hate more..." Ilsa Dec 2015 #27
they love and obey their mythical sky creatures more than real life snooper2 Dec 2015 #54
Same with most religious extremists - family, too often, falls to the wayside. blm Dec 2015 #56
Fixation. ScreamingMeemie Dec 2015 #6
They may have saved her life Politicalboi Dec 2015 #7
That's against nature BeyondGeography Dec 2015 #9
Easy. Someone at his place of employment pissed him off... cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #10
Workplace violence would explain a momentary TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2015 #37
It's NOT terrorism FrodosPet Dec 2015 #40
You're joking, right? TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2015 #41
Alas, yes I am FrodosPet Dec 2015 #42
Whew. TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2015 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author hifiguy Dec 2015 #104
There is no way this is your standard workplace violence theboss Dec 2015 #63
They had a specialist on who wrote a book on women who choose to do suicide bombs etc. Person 2713 Dec 2015 #11
So, assuming the child's grandmother will raise her CanonRay Dec 2015 #61
Depends on the guardians beliefs I suppose Person 2713 Dec 2015 #109
That is a textbook definition of hifiguy Dec 2015 #66
How about those parents with their church group who beat their child to death because Person 2713 Dec 2015 #107
Them too, no doubt about it. hifiguy Dec 2015 #108
No way to understand this. cwydro Dec 2015 #14
Fanatical religious dementia? When they come to believe thier imaginary cause is more underahedgerow Dec 2015 #15
Religion Marrah_G Dec 2015 #16
They loved their God more than they loved their daughter LittleBlue Dec 2015 #17
Radical Islam is a hell of a drug. linuxman Dec 2015 #19
It isn't just radical Islam--more like radical fundamentalism. Period. meow2u3 Dec 2015 #36
True, but it didn't seem like that piece of shit had much to live for ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2015 #110
Maybe they were forced to with some threat to their baby. Rex Dec 2015 #20
I have a rough theory. moondust Dec 2015 #21
I think some of that makes a lot of sense. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #28
Yeah Dorian Gray Dec 2015 #31
Because one of his coworkers was also a fundamentalist jerk jeff47 Dec 2015 #52
Not the brightest bulbs pnwest Dec 2015 #62
I agree with you, also. I think they did believe they'd get away with it. nt. polly7 Dec 2015 #29
Easy: In their warped mind they sacrificed themselves for the baby... 951-Riverside Dec 2015 #22
They thought they'd get away with it. struggle4progress Dec 2015 #23
+1 951-Riverside Dec 2015 #25
Nobody ever gets away with a mass shooting. milestogo Dec 2015 #24
Girls have less value than boys to people with that kind of warped viewpoint. MADem Dec 2015 #26
Quite possible treestar Dec 2015 #57
I was thinking about that too. nt 2naSalit Dec 2015 #68
Amen. treestar Dec 2015 #30
Untreated mental illness. ladyVet Dec 2015 #32
They love death more than life. no_hypocrisy Dec 2015 #33
This ^^^^^^^ treestar Dec 2015 #55
Last year an Islamic father participated in the stoning to death of his own daughter. Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #34
For good people to do evil things, that takes religion Fumesucker Dec 2015 #43
These are not "good people" (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #45
If they were raised from birth as you were do you think they would be different from you? Fumesucker Dec 2015 #46
I'm sure I wouldn't stone my own daughter to death, Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #59
One of my favorite quotes hifiguy Dec 2015 #67
Big difference treestar Dec 2015 #53
Versus an "adulteress" who might be more worthy of punishment? Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #58
I'm talking about from their mind, obviously treestar Dec 2015 #92
Point taken, Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #100
Holy shit- NO. Adultery should not be punishable by torture and death bettyellen Dec 2015 #74
I did not say that treestar Dec 2015 #93
You said "big difference" but not to them. Sorry but that sounded like your thoughts bettyellen Dec 2015 #96
that was obvious treestar Dec 2015 #97
It does seem like people are spoiling for a fight around here. Demit Dec 2015 #102
I think the child was part of their plan. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #35
baby shower enid602 Dec 2015 #38
Religious indoctrination is a potent poison Yorktown Dec 2015 #39
Sometimes quite literally. hifiguy Dec 2015 #105
Religion: the ultimate Kool Aid Yorktown Dec 2015 #117
No problem. I have been fascinated by Jonestown hifiguy Dec 2015 #118
Jonestown is a miniature replica of all religions Yorktown Dec 2015 #119
Blammo. hifiguy Dec 2015 #120
Remember culturally malaise Dec 2015 #47
Radicalized religion will do that to people. RandySF Dec 2015 #51
Having young children doesn't stop terrorists from committing their acts. LisaL Dec 2015 #60
We in the US appear not to have received the memo Tsiyu Dec 2015 #64
Religulous idiocy. hifiguy Dec 2015 #65
My theory: OldHippieChick Dec 2015 #69
A viable theory. TeeYiYi Dec 2015 #85
I don't think they planned on committing suicide. still_one Dec 2015 #76
Agreed Scootaloo Dec 2015 #79
They probably thought they would get away.... Historic NY Dec 2015 #81
In a way it was just luck. They were no where to be found for several hours after the slaughter still_one Dec 2015 #82
I wonder if that SUV had GPS Ex Lurker Dec 2015 #83
I'd imagine their cell phones did..... Historic NY Dec 2015 #84
Post partum psychosis? ecstatic Dec 2015 #77
once your logical skepticism is gone Skittles Dec 2015 #78
Drop the mic, Skittles. hifiguy Dec 2015 #106
I have heard Christians trashing the beliefs of others Skittles Dec 2015 #112
Of all human inventions, hifiguy Dec 2015 #113
...parting the Red Sea. ..nt TeeYiYi Dec 2015 #115
Absolutely... TeeYiYi Dec 2015 #114
the kids are pawns in a bigger plan. bettyellen Dec 2015 #80
That's the danger of adhering to factless, evidence-free belief systems Arugula Latte Dec 2015 #86
Religion. backscatter712 Dec 2015 #94
The simple fact is that Sam Harris was and is right. hifiguy Dec 2015 #111
Radical Islam is like the Hippie movement hollowdweller Dec 2015 #99
Gawd told them. nt valerief Dec 2015 #101
They were embarking on a killing spree, why would they give a fuck about the kid? PeteSelman Dec 2015 #103
They were saving that for another day. TeeYiYi Dec 2015 #116
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