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Agnosticsherbet

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77. The problem comes where statutes state feeling threatened.

Reply to TipTok (Reply #56)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:34 PM

Dec 2015

Stand your ground is nothing more that the right to kill out of fear.

They are abysmally bad law.

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If an open carry or concealed carry person is shot on sight [View all] Photographer Dec 2015 OP

Only cops are allowed to shoot you and kill you for that excuse. randys1 Dec 2015 #1

Unless you're George Zimmerman... Photographer Dec 2015 #3

Heh...I was about to say: Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #4

Interesting question. If every open carry asshole was shot because valerief Dec 2015 #2

I bet the 'stand-your-ground ideologues elias49 Dec 2015 #7

Remember that black woman in Florida(?) who tried to use valerief Dec 2015 #17

Oh, I remember! Infuriating! nt elias49 Dec 2015 #22

The CNN story doesn't mention some facts of the case. She went out into the garage to get Waldorf Dec 2015 #29

why don't you tell ALL of the facts Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #72

Years later everything is still fine... TipTok Dec 2015 #47

gun owners know how to rationalize olddots Dec 2015 #5

You are operating in the hypothetical OakCliffDem Dec 2015 #6

You're right that it's hypothetical. I don't own a gun. Photographer Dec 2015 #8

I own a shotgun, a bolt action rifle and a revolver n/t OakCliffDem Dec 2015 #12

Good. You can do the test you propose then. Photographer Dec 2015 #16

You are the one who asked the question n/t OakCliffDem Dec 2015 #18

And you are the one who proposed testing the original question... Photographer Dec 2015 #21

please don't give those people any ideas Skittles Dec 2015 #24

LOL! Photographer Dec 2015 #25

Just trying to help out a fellow Progressive OakCliffDem Dec 2015 #26

Is your avatar Clive Bundy? Photographer Dec 2015 #27

My avatar is Lyndon Baines Johnson OakCliffDem Dec 2015 #32

I knew who he was Photographer Dec 2015 #33

I'd maintain the pretense that my insincerity and absurdity is "just trying to help out" too. LanternWaste Dec 2015 #80

How is one good guy going to know if the other good guy is actually a good guy. madinmaryland Dec 2015 #9

Yeah I'm not sure you can just go around shooting people for your comfort. ileus Dec 2015 #10

No one expects the Inquisition Photographer Dec 2015 #13

Tiny penises? VMA131Marine Dec 2015 #14

A reason in their minds. Hoyt Dec 2015 #15

What's that real reason? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2015 #39

Take myself and family for instance. ileus Dec 2015 #41

You're going to die without carrying a gun? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2015 #44

Hopefully I'll never need it. ileus Dec 2015 #51

Ah, so your 'real reason' is fear of something that's never happened to you. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2015 #54

No my real reason is I love life, and my family...didn't I say that already? ileus Dec 2015 #58

You said you love your life and your family's lives. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2015 #59

Oh yes...the old it's better to die than defend yourself defense. ileus Dec 2015 #60

There's no 'unless you have to' clause on 'Thou shalt not kill.' nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2015 #61

Oh a Bible scholar... ileus Dec 2015 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author ileus Dec 2015 #66

see 65.... ileus Dec 2015 #67

Statistically speaking, you and your family are far more likely to be harmed by your gun mythology Dec 2015 #74

I question the math TeddyR Dec 2015 #76

Has your home ever burned down to the foundation? TipTok Dec 2015 #79

"DW?" Does that stand for Death Wish? Photographer Dec 2015 #46

I always say Darling wife. ileus Dec 2015 #49

If you knew my ex... Photographer Dec 2015 #52

so many shots more likely treestar Dec 2015 #11

good question G_j Dec 2015 #19

If the open carry or concealed carry was brandishing their firearm in a threatening Waldorf Dec 2015 #20

That could depend on... Photographer Dec 2015 #23

OK well Old Codger Dec 2015 #37

Someone walks into a grocery store holding a .45 AlinPA Dec 2015 #45

If the person carrying the .45 has it in their holster or concealed and have not threatened Waldorf Dec 2015 #48

What if is not holstered or slung over the shoulder? AlinPA Dec 2015 #50

That would be brandishing and considered a threat. Totally different scenario. Waldorf Dec 2015 #55

In a stand your ground state it would depend on the court. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #28

Coats move, people bend over, a Glock is not all that easy to hide in the Summer. Photographer Dec 2015 #34

If you shoot a guy who had a holstered weapon.. TipTok Dec 2015 #56

The problem comes where statutes state feeling threatened. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #77

There is a reasonableness standard... TipTok Dec 2015 #78

The threat must be "reasonable" in the eyes of the law. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #30

The Basic concept Old Codger Dec 2015 #31

If you shot them, you would be carrying too. B2G Dec 2015 #35

Part of the obvious irony of carrying in a civilized society. Photographer Dec 2015 #36

Police gunned down a guy near here in Dayton for carrying a gun he'd picked up off the shelf at Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2015 #38

Shit like that is happening way too often. n/t Photographer Dec 2015 #40

If someone is carrying concealed TeddyR Dec 2015 #42

I don't know how many times I've spotted "hidden" Photographer Dec 2015 #43

Not trying to be difficult TeddyR Dec 2015 #57

Leave the establishment, then let them know why you left. n/t woodsprite Dec 2015 #53

I have an idea... why don't you move to an open carry state and shoot the first person you see cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #62

Hate to say it but if the camera there was a gun with ill intentions... Photographer Dec 2015 #63

Why do you fantasize about it then? YOU'RE the person talking about shooting someone. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #64

Lame. Photographer Dec 2015 #68

Not nearly as lame as starting threads where you fantasize about shooting people. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #69

Considering YOU are the only one to make this inference Photographer Dec 2015 #70

That's what I'd say too. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #71

I can't imagine what it would be like to live with the paranoia that would smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #81

Yeah but most people don't fantasize about shooting them on sight. That's just as insane. n/t cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #82

You do understand that 'I was afraid' is not a valid excuse, regardless of morons on TV, right? X_Digger Dec 2015 #73

This has never actually happened. Kang Colby Dec 2015 #75