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379. No problem with universal background checks. nt

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I no longer give two f*cks about your 2nd Amendment rights. [View all] kpete Dec 2015 OP

Claiming owning a gun is about "freedom" is like claiming owning an SUV is about "freedom". Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #1

Yet nothing was done on 2009. Why? Big time lost opportunity. yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #104

Once again, thanks for your concern. Kingofalldems Dec 2015 #148

It's like the study where congress believes their districts are more conservative than they are. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #163

These people feel the same way about cheap gas. It's their god given right. bettyellen Dec 2015 #135

Lately they believe it's their god given right to kill if they're scared. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #167

Well, it is in Florida these days. I thought it was in South Africa too, but apparently a panel of bettyellen Dec 2015 #172

I have never in my life been an advocate for mass confiscation but................... leftofcool Dec 2015 #2

I turned the corner about a year ago. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #8

And I'd argue you still shouldn't be. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #16

mass confiscation is the only real solution mwrguy Dec 2015 #17

+1000 951-Riverside Dec 2015 #58

It worked so well with drugs and alcohol...nt Mojorabbit Dec 2015 #255

and your solution is...??? CTyankee Dec 2015 #275

Let the CDC study gun violence. Break the Republican block on this. Mojorabbit Dec 2015 #287

thank you. I think that is common sense. Also facts, which as we all know, are stubborn things... CTyankee Dec 2015 #291

Here's a novel idea... jack_krass Dec 2015 #392

I don't think we really do. I think the availability of guns is the problem...if the gun is there CTyankee Dec 2015 #393

Nope, look at switzerland jack_krass Dec 2015 #403

look at their population and their gun laws...I've been thru this discussion on DU before. CTyankee Dec 2015 #404

And what do you do when 500 to 1000 of them christx30 Dec 2015 #273

Wait them out, get them a few at a time. mwrguy Dec 2015 #277

You really believe that? GGJohn Dec 2015 #306

So gun owners really aren't law abiding? mwrguy Dec 2015 #322

Would you, if you were a woman, (don't know your gender) GGJohn Dec 2015 #323

Who has been touting "law abiding abortion owners"? mwrguy Dec 2015 #325

I asked you a question, GGJohn Dec 2015 #327

The fact is that gun owning citizens outnumber the law enforcement community. passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #330

"If we offered a buy back program like Australia" EX500rider Dec 2015 #405

Aussies did not give up all their guns. passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #406

So we can be assured that you'll volunteer to be on the confiscation teams? GGJohn Dec 2015 #304

Do you put out house fires? mwrguy Dec 2015 #321

So I'll take that as a no, GGJohn Dec 2015 #409

Are you projecting? passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #407

Projecting what? GGJohn Dec 2015 #408

the way you think people will react to having their guns taken away? passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #410

They're doing just the opposite Left2Tackle Dec 2015 #342

Sure! Legitimize the gun nut argument d_legendary1 Dec 2015 #268

This is what it will take, sadly. randys1 Dec 2015 #3

I don't really understand why the 2nd amendment is so important to hunters. Rex Dec 2015 #4

What if you decide they can't keep them after all? hack89 Dec 2015 #5

If somehow people lose their hunting rifles in all this (which I don't think will happen) AllyCat Dec 2015 #10

The 2A protects an individual right to keep and bear arms. hack89 Dec 2015 #11

Now that lots of people are dying because the right to keep and bear arms AllyCat Dec 2015 #14

Actually Old Codger Dec 2015 #67

+100 narnian60 Dec 2015 #377

Where in the 2A does it say individual rights? Rex Dec 2015 #15

"The right of the people " hack89 Dec 2015 #26

The people that form well regulated militia...where does it say individual rights? Rex Dec 2015 #28

Ok hack89 Dec 2015 #36

Doesn't matter if you don't like it. Rex Dec 2015 #38

The law agrees with me hack89 Dec 2015 #41

Sure sure your sadz says otherwise. Rex Dec 2015 #44

Heller is the law of the land hack89 Dec 2015 #45

I am just telling you what the 2A says, no need to get mad. Rex Dec 2015 #47

And the Supreme Court says you are wrong. hack89 Dec 2015 #53

Well that is the literal wording of the 2A. Rex Dec 2015 #57

So what. That is totally irrelevant when it comes to passing laws hack89 Dec 2015 #64

Crowing? See I knew it you have a big sadz at the literal meaning of the 2A. Rex Dec 2015 #69

The Bill of Rights protects individual right. End of story. hack89 Dec 2015 #77

Why would you be snarky because the 2A agrees with me literally? Rex Dec 2015 #82

ok. nt hack89 Dec 2015 #86

. Rex Dec 2015 #89

Scalia wrote it. It was dissented by every reasonable person on the court. Squinch Dec 2015 #137

Scalia is the moron that threw a federal election. Rex Dec 2015 #161

Exactly, but it is really the Heller decision that all these morons are hiding behind Squinch Dec 2015 #173

Very much so, has not a thing to do with the 2A actual meaning. Rex Dec 2015 #184

That's fine hack89 Dec 2015 #182

And the people must have a right to redress. Rex Dec 2015 #186

What does that even mean? nt hack89 Dec 2015 #191

No, actually it doesn't. Just as Emancipation didn't have to be implemented Squinch Dec 2015 #212

Emancipation took a Constitutional amendment hack89 Dec 2015 #219

I'm sure you think you have a point. Squinch Dec 2015 #220

Heller is the law of the land and cannot be ignored. hack89 Dec 2015 #224

So you have said. Dredd Scott was the law of the land too. So? Squinch Dec 2015 #227

Heller overturned precedent nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #51

What precedent? hack89 Dec 2015 #74

You should read a lot more into the case law nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #112

Your link makes no mention of cases prior to Heller hack89 Dec 2015 #118

As I said, I recommend a law library nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #136

Waste of time nadin. Rex Dec 2015 #165

I got to give it to Scalia, he does write well though nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #171

Oh yes! Nothing against his penmanship. Rex Dec 2015 #177

But he writes clearly, nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #187

Wow at one time it was 8th grade. Rex Dec 2015 #217

I write RSD at a higher level nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #218

That is rare, you don't insult their intelligence like the M$M-Hearst. Rex Dec 2015 #221

Well, right now we seeing the MSM engage in quite a bit of speculation nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #225

Well it is okay for reporters to speculate, yet on DU that is baaaad. Rex Dec 2015 #230

I am not speculating anywhere nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #237

I meant Hollywood pundits. CNN\Foxnews the alphabet outlets. Rex Dec 2015 #239

I know nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #249

Ratings...the original formula still works better than cold hard facts. Rex Dec 2015 #251

And we know WHO to blame, a local Miami affiliate nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #261

Can't back up your claim? Ok. nt hack89 Dec 2015 #175

I can, but even if i gave it to you in the actual nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #183

Bullshit hack89 Dec 2015 #185

There are but it really would not matter to you, so here is a nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #196

You talking about the Jim Crow rulings used to disarm blacks hack89 Dec 2015 #200

Becuase now I know you do not know of the 1930s case nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #203

Miller? nt hack89 Dec 2015 #207

Which is very relevant nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #209

A case where Miller and his lawyer's did not appear in court? hack89 Dec 2015 #215

We shall revisit all this nadinbrzezinski Dec 2015 #222

Well. LokiandMala Dec 2015 #344

Nadin, I often disagree with you, but you are absolutely right about this. Squinch Dec 2015 #176

Didn't you just tell me you don't hide behind the 2A? Squinch Dec 2015 #210

So is Citizens United. thucythucy Dec 2015 #303

What laws could you pass without Heller that you can't pass now? hack89 Dec 2015 #305

Wasn't Heller cited when the courts threw out hand gun restrictions thucythucy Dec 2015 #308

Heller says you can't ban handguns kept in one's house hack89 Dec 2015 #309

Well that's a pretty enormous loophole right there. thucythucy Dec 2015 #310

No. hack89 Dec 2015 #311

But no answer to my other questions? nt. thucythucy Dec 2015 #312

Ok. hack89 Dec 2015 #313

That sounds good to me. thucythucy Dec 2015 #314

One of the reasons a lot of people don't care for the no fly list is when it was revealed that Waldorf Dec 2015 #318

I remember that. thucythucy Dec 2015 #355

Also it says "well regulated" Hekate Dec 2015 #95

Shhhhh...don't tell them about the Guard or Reserves. Rex Dec 2015 #98

That's absolutely incorrect. TeddyR Dec 2015 #124

#129 Rex Dec 2015 #156

So your "evidence" is the opinion of a guy from 250 years ago - a guy who refused to Squinch Dec 2015 #198

NO. The refered to militias were used to keep the slaves in line. chknltl Dec 2015 #284

Believe it or not, it was about more than one thing. Rex Dec 2015 #286

Perhaps but it's reason accdg. to it's authors chknltl Dec 2015 #293

The Founders were worried about the British coming back Rex Dec 2015 #295

State and National Guards didn't exist when the 2nd Amendment was ratified. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #223

So what? librarylu Dec 2015 #54

I don't own guns for self defense - I live in a safe town hack89 Dec 2015 #60

How difficult would it be..... librarylu Dec 2015 #385

Don't see the need. hack89 Dec 2015 #387

Something that Scalia, Machine Gun Sammy Alito,... Herman4747 Dec 2015 #259

You do understand that Heller allows strict gun control? hack89 Dec 2015 #272

At the time Old Codger Dec 2015 #71

Exactly! The word 'people' and 'individual' are not the same word at all! Rex Dec 2015 #75

Don't thank me Old Codger Dec 2015 #122

Nope. Re-read the 2A. Rex Dec 2015 #162

OK well Old Codger Dec 2015 #267

Wrong. Not my fault 4 people out of so many in this thread 'don't get it'. Rex Dec 2015 #279

OK Old Codger Dec 2015 #297

The militia is formed OF the people in times of need. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #147

#129 Rex Dec 2015 #155

Post 129 is factually wrong on a number of points. For instance, we have a national guard and a AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #199

I said that was the original intent, thanks for agreeing with me. Rex Dec 2015 #234

No, you are wrong. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #246

Yeah well your opinion is not my problem. Rex Dec 2015 #280

You are wildly uninformed on this topic. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #307

Rex picked up the wrong lure. He go bye-bye. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #238

Yeah, I get the feeling I'm talking to a wall, but hope springs eternal. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #248

See #129 Rex Dec 2015 #278

It doesn't say the people that form a well regulated militia. n/t whopis01 Dec 2015 #257

Don't shoot the messenger... Left2Tackle Dec 2015 #343

As long as those people are "well-regulated" Gore1FL Dec 2015 #79

The 2A does not stop strict gun control hack89 Dec 2015 #88

I recognize that Gore1FL Dec 2015 #120

You are actually the third person I have seen using almost the same wording to make the Squinch Dec 2015 #170

The 2A does not stop strict gun control hack89 Dec 2015 #189

And time for gun nuts to stop hiding behind it. Squinch Dec 2015 #201

I don't hide behind it. hack89 Dec 2015 #202

Well bully for you. Squinch Dec 2015 #204

The 2A does not stop strict gun control hack89 Dec 2015 #228

So then you should probably stop hiding behind it. Squinch Dec 2015 #229

ok. nt hack89 Dec 2015 #231

Great! Squinch Dec 2015 #235

it took the civil war lancer78 Dec 2015 #347

I understand that those who are defending the idea that their hobby is worth a weekly Squinch Dec 2015 #351

since I am banned by law lancer78 Dec 2015 #365

No, it doesn't. "the People" is the entire population, not individuals. "The People" have a... ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2015 #206

So all the rights in the Bill of Rights that use that wording hack89 Dec 2015 #211

The right is given to "the People" as a whole. It is manifest in our National Guard. Some day, ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2015 #214

No. Just no. beevul Dec 2015 #232

LOL. GGJohn Dec 2015 #316

Pardon the expression, world wide wally Dec 2015 #348

I don't care what you think hack89 Dec 2015 #350

I Find It Interesting That Our 'Well-Regulated Militia' Hasn't Been Able To Stop These Mass.... global1 Dec 2015 #21

That is part of what says they are not well-regulated. AllyCat Dec 2015 #22

Agree, seems all these 'militia' groups are full of paranoid stormfront types that hate Obama Rex Dec 2015 #25

No one says hunters shouldn't keep rifles Tab Dec 2015 #12

Are you sure you are using all the correct terminology there Tab? AllyCat Dec 2015 #18

victims of gun violence do not lose moral authority by using wrong language sanatanadharma Dec 2015 #35

Excellent point about the magazine! AllyCat Dec 2015 #276

Militas, not individuals. If they want to form a rifle club there is no law against it. Rex Dec 2015 #13

And manage our property (slaves) AllyCat Dec 2015 #20

And 'push' Native Americans into smaller and smaller camps...er...reservations. Rex Dec 2015 #23

Sorry - I must have missed it. When exactly did we solve the problem of tyranny and jonno99 Dec 2015 #48

And how long ago was that and why is the wording of the 2A relevant to that time period? Rex Dec 2015 #52

You're missing the point - it is BECAUSE of tyranny and lawlessness (they feared NOT being free) - jonno99 Dec 2015 #93

Irony is dead. You purposely miss the point and the wording of the 2A. Rex Dec 2015 #96

I didn't "miss the point" - I simply disagreed with you. Did you purposely miss my point? jonno99 Dec 2015 #100

The 1A promises me that. Did you know that? Rex Dec 2015 #103

No, the 1A is not a lie. But don't you find it curious that an amendment concerning ONLY the jonno99 Dec 2015 #110

Yes and that is why we have a National Guard. Rex Dec 2015 #129

I agree that the founders were good with wording. I would argue too that they were good with jonno99 Dec 2015 #139

As Long as the Interpretation is Reasonable... Herman4747 Dec 2015 #368

Sure - but by "living" what you mean is amendable. Nobody argues that. And whatever the personal jonno99 Dec 2015 #376

Wow TeddyR Dec 2015 #154

Scalia is a moron that threw a federal election. Rex Dec 2015 #159

As I pointed out in response to 129 TeddyR Dec 2015 #193

So you didn't understand that meaning at all? I figured as much. Rex Dec 2015 #242

So you agree that your initial premise TeddyR Dec 2015 #331

I think you had better recheck your "recorded history" whopis01 Dec 2015 #258

Details! AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #260

No kidding, I wouldn't expect you to understand history at all. Rex Dec 2015 #282

So much nonsense. beevul Dec 2015 #271

Wrong, that is not what I said keep your words in your own mouth. Rex Dec 2015 #281

I never quoted you. beevul Dec 2015 #285

The 2nd Amendment applies to members of a well-regulated militia, no more, no less. Nitram Dec 2015 #27

Not according to the Supreme Court, the Democratic party platform hack89 Dec 2015 #32

Hack, you are 100% correct. Nitram Dec 2015 #119

Yet groups like the NRA have fooled everyone into believing it is 'individual rights'. Rex Dec 2015 #33

It was only relatively recently the NRA started pushing for a re-interpreation of the amendment. Nitram Dec 2015 #125

Sorry, not even close... More or less.... Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #226

In no other part of the Constitution is it as necessary to limit a right... Nitram Dec 2015 #356

I've read plenty of history, thanks. Your's is a distinctly minority view... Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #386

I'm not sure being in the minority means I'm wrong. These things are re-evaluated and... Nitram Dec 2015 #388

Actually, few cases dealing with the Second ever reached SCOTUS... Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #389

The fact that few cases reached SCOTUS suggests there probably... Nitram Dec 2015 #390

But then you have the 18th Amendment: "No state shall deny..." Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #397

Thanks, Eleanor for the informative and thoughtful discussion. Nitram Dec 2015 #398

I thank you as well. Take care. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #399

What exactly do you propose? Orrex Dec 2015 #61

I support most gun control proposals hack89 Dec 2015 #83

I see absolutely nothing wrong with universal gun registration Orrex Dec 2015 #97

It won't save lives. hack89 Dec 2015 #115

Why bother with laws at all, if criminals will ignore them? Orrex Dec 2015 #142

A national antisuicide campaign is what is called for hack89 Dec 2015 #178

A universal registration would reduce the flow of illegal guns Orrex Dec 2015 #245

The Sandy Hook weapon was registered hack89 Dec 2015 #247

I didn't propose it as a complete solution by itself, did I? Orrex Dec 2015 #250

There are a lot of laws we can pass hack89 Dec 2015 #252

There is simply no convincing argument against registration Orrex Dec 2015 #294

I stand with the ACLU on this issue. nt hack89 Dec 2015 #296

They are mistaken on this issue. Orrex Dec 2015 #332

ok nt hack89 Dec 2015 #333

Gun registration probably would save lives. Nitram Dec 2015 #357

No problem with universal background checks. nt hack89 Dec 2015 #379

What's your problem with registration. Nitram Dec 2015 #380

Privacy. hack89 Dec 2015 #381

So you refuse to get a driver's license? nt Nitram Dec 2015 #383

Want to compare guns to cars? Ok hack89 Dec 2015 #391

I'd go aong with that. Nitram Dec 2015 #394

No problem with training and testing. hack89 Dec 2015 #395

Not everyone has a gun safe. Nitram Dec 2015 #396

My insurance company didn't even ask about guns. hack89 Dec 2015 #402

Should you be allowed to have a nuclear bomb? Marr Dec 2015 #130

Allowed to have a nuclear bomb? That would be crazy. Orrex Dec 2015 #336

Bravo! marym625 Dec 2015 #6

"FUCK YOU, ASSHOLE REPUBLICANS" Um... about that. It isn't just Republicans. Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #7

Why do they ALWAYS exclude the first phrase of the 2nd Amendment? RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #9

Because it's an inconvenient truth. Nitram Dec 2015 #29

And the Democratic party hack89 Dec 2015 #39

For 2016? I don't see anything about guns in the party's platform. Nitram Dec 2015 #133

I haven't seen the 2016 platform TeddyR Dec 2015 #143

That was 2013. There isn't a platform yet for 2016 because the nominee has to participate. Nitram Dec 2015 #146

I suspect the party platform will be very similar TeddyR Dec 2015 #157

hack89 said read the Democratic Party's platform, not Hillary's. Ikonoklast Dec 2015 #192

Icon, the party doesn't have a platform yet. Nitram Dec 2015 #358

As did the last platform. Ikonoklast Dec 2015 #366

Because then they would have to admit they've been wrong all this time. Rex Dec 2015 #37

The Second Amendment doesn't mean what you think it means TeddyR Dec 2015 #126

See reply #129 Rex Dec 2015 #131

All it will take to start interpreting the 2nd Amendment correctly again... Nitram Dec 2015 #134

Until 1968 it wasn't thought to be otherwise. Ikonoklast Dec 2015 #195

Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in. mwrguy Dec 2015 #19

Rec. And I don't even give ONE fuck, much less two. n/t SpankMe Dec 2015 #24

To quote Morpheus: "Then I am grateful that it is not up to you." nt jonno99 Dec 2015 #160

The OP can have his opinion in a vacuum. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #208

Where in the 2ndn Amendment is the "the right to kill people" described? aikoaiko Dec 2015 #30

K&R. nt DLevine Dec 2015 #31

People hold onto the 2A like it is the Holy Grail for all freedumbs. Rex Dec 2015 #34

Great Meme on gun violence Gothmog Dec 2015 #40

i dont own a gun. never want to retrowire Dec 2015 #42

I agree. The "right" to own gunz is about as immoral as the "right" to own slaves was. Hoyt Dec 2015 #43

It is the right to own guns to form a well regulated militia, shall not be infringed upon. Rex Dec 2015 #46

The 2nd Amendment was a concession to the Slave States. Fuddnik Dec 2015 #62

It was also about the worry of homegrown tyranny or the British coming back to kick our butts. Rex Dec 2015 #68

Oh really? Then why did the non-slave states like Vermont include their own version of the 2nd? X_Digger Dec 2015 #340

Without a strong central government, such clauses enabled the colonies... Pacifist Patriot Dec 2015 #360

But if the federal 2nd was only a 'gimme' to slave states, why enact the same in their own states? X_Digger Dec 2015 #412

I agree completely. Gunners can't read and use some idiotic grammatical construction Hoyt Dec 2015 #66

I've seen gun nuts start foaming at the mouth over the literal meaning of the 2A. Rex Dec 2015 #70

Well, you're saying two directly opposite things. If owning a gun is immoral then it can't be jonno99 Dec 2015 #151

Typical Gungeoneer speak. Hoyt Dec 2015 #153

i agree with you but i would add patsimp Dec 2015 #49

Gee, all that gun control sure helped Paris, didn't it? ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #50

Wow, someone has a big sadz! Rex Dec 2015 #55

No, little kitty ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #106

Did they kick you off of DI? Rex Dec 2015 #109

I wasn't kicked off of DI ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #205

What do you mean by "little kitty". Just need that before I decide whether or not to alert. nt ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2015 #240

The spelling of "sadz" ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #254

What an idiotic argument. Marr Dec 2015 #138

Even with the terrorist attack killing over 100 people, France has a far, far lower... Nitram Dec 2015 #359

The majority of gun deaths are suicides ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #378

Even if you take suicides out of the equation, the US is still way ahead on gun deaths... Nitram Dec 2015 #382

2nd Amendment was created by guys who were fine with blacks counting as 3/5ths of a person TeamPooka Dec 2015 #56

It also was created to keep the government is check by forming citizen militias. Rex Dec 2015 #59

that's right. They hate the truth about guns and local militias. nt TeamPooka Dec 2015 #65

I've seen spittle fly from the mouth of an enraged gun lover over the literal meaning. Rex Dec 2015 #73

"Says nothing about individual rights." EX500rider Dec 2015 #266

No, REx, exactly the opposite. Nitram Dec 2015 #361

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #111

Actually, the 3/5 of a person was a *progressive* and good thing. harrose Dec 2015 #213

Just beacuse it was "progressive" doesn't mean it was right. nt TeamPooka Dec 2015 #414

It was borne of a necessary compromise harrose Dec 2015 #417

Here we go; Rex Dec 2015 #63

Easy - we do NOT want yahoos forming militias! THE Militias were State jmg257 Dec 2015 #80

Too late, we have RWing crazies running around playing pretend soldier. Rex Dec 2015 #85

Totally agree! Yahoos who think they are 'the Militia' as identified in the constitution jmg257 Dec 2015 #90

Thank you! Rex Dec 2015 #94

our Founding Fathers didn't have this in mind ... napkinz Dec 2015 #99

Yeah I fail to see where they muster to. Rex Dec 2015 #169

The constitution actually gives the President ultimate control over state militias. Nitram Dec 2015 #149

Only when called into actual (federal) service. jmg257 Dec 2015 #166

Gun control is too democrats virginia mountainman Dec 2015 #72

I'm sure you'll get over it... ileus Dec 2015 #76

NEVER kpete Dec 2015 #81

You and me both. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2015 #87

The second amendment isn't the problem as much as not follwoing it is. Gore1FL Dec 2015 #78

For years I have been saying that travesty of an amendment has made it... Pacifist Patriot Dec 2015 #84

PacPat, the amendment was designed to limit the use of firearms. Nitram Dec 2015 #152

No, that is not what the amendment was designed for. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2015 #190

Militas were not used only to put down slave rebellions Nitram Dec 2015 #362

Point is, the clauses concerning the right to bear arms... Pacifist Patriot Dec 2015 #371

+100000000000 Initech Dec 2015 #91

I am not for banning guns Marrah_G Dec 2015 #92

States have a National Guard to defend against federal tyranny. Rex Dec 2015 #101

I am still not for banning guns Marrah_G Dec 2015 #105

I never once said we should ban all guns. Rex Dec 2015 #107

I agree Marrah_G Dec 2015 #108

States have a National Guard only until the Feds call them up JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2015 #174

Wrong Rex. the President is the Commander in Chief of the National Guard. NT Nitram Dec 2015 #363

The interesting thing about rights... Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #102

Interesting. I'm reminded of Franklin's rejoinder to a question posed outside the CC: jonno99 Dec 2015 #123

Amen to that jamzrockz Dec 2015 #150

Actually, they do. MH1 Dec 2015 #300

You're gonna need a lot more fuckless people. Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #320

I own guns OldRedneck Dec 2015 #113

I believe this will change when... abakan Dec 2015 #114

I'm of the opinion this will change when we are finally able to get rid of "mean people" - jonno99 Dec 2015 #145

The NRA are relatively weak compared to the GOA and the SAF, GGJohn Dec 2015 #317

I agree with Scalia SCantiGOP Dec 2015 #116

Sure - as long as those are the only weapons that exist anywhere. Otherwise, no thanks...nt jonno99 Dec 2015 #128

That was my point SCantiGOP Dec 2015 #140

Sounds like we're in agreement then... jonno99 Dec 2015 #141

You got it, jonno SCantiGOP Dec 2015 #168

"...doesn't take into account technology advances of the last 240 years." Like the Internet? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #216

1st amendment still holds up SCantiGOP Dec 2015 #253

All that is mentioned are 'speech' and 'press', nothing else friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #256

What is the internet if not speech? nt Nitram Dec 2015 #364

There was a 20 shot semi-automatic musket capable of killing a deer at the time. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #262

I assume the ban also applies (I hope) to nuclear weapons? SCantiGOP Dec 2015 #301

Explosives in general are tightly controlled in the US. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #302

Thanks for the info, AthiestCrusader SCantiGOP Dec 2015 #328

In another forum MynameisBlarney Dec 2015 #117

Good thing you didn't post those comments here ... JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2015 #179

LOL MynameisBlarney Dec 2015 #188

Love it! SammyWinstonJack Dec 2015 #352

Thanks! MynameisBlarney Dec 2015 #354

Actually you DO know what is wrong with the United States: slumcamper Dec 2015 #121

It would be nice if it were that easy - unfortuantely it's not...nt jonno99 Dec 2015 #127

Right on....Jim Jeffries says it best... americannightmare Dec 2015 #132

Both amendments assume responsible "self-governance". With that failing, all bets are off. jonno99 Dec 2015 #144

Especially if we have to sleep with one eye open due to gunners trying to grab control. Hoyt Dec 2015 #158

Unfortunately, I have to agree... americannightmare Dec 2015 #345

This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #164

I'm in…. santafe52 Dec 2015 #180

Preach on! The cult of the American gun is as outdated and irrelevant as Sharia law. Raster Dec 2015 #181

I ran out of fucks to give when the children in Sandy Hook were gunned down. n/t me b zola Dec 2015 #194

2A makes america suck. KG Dec 2015 #197

Kpete, you and your source can work for repeal of the Second. If you give a "fuck." Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #233

80% of the people gave a fuck and Congress coward in the corner. Rex Dec 2015 #236

Rex. The country is purchasing firearms in record numbers... Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #241

I have nothing against fire arm owners, I am talking about misunderstanding the 2A. Rex Dec 2015 #243

The misunderstanding is on your part. The Individual RKBA is the Standard Model.. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #263

No matter how many times you tell people that your interpretation of the 2A is the correct one, Francis Booth Dec 2015 #289

Thanks for showing up to express how sadz you are about me being right. Rex Dec 2015 #292

But you're not right, just obstinate and tedious. Francis Booth Dec 2015 #326

"How few of us..." wrong again. Francis Booth Dec 2015 #329

Those percentages go up & down like tea kettle water... Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #269

I am kicking and rec cing this since you are clearly talking about republicans Rex Dec 2015 #244

Fo Sho! d_legendary1 Dec 2015 #270

I wonder why a few here get so mad when the OP harps on republicans? Rex Dec 2015 #283

I think its more about the gun nuts than it is about the Cons d_legendary1 Dec 2015 #334

More guns here we come! Can we reach half a billion before 2050? Rex Dec 2015 #335

Well we are the world's #1 gun manufacturer d_legendary1 Dec 2015 #338

And the worlds largest military weapons supplier. Rex Dec 2015 #339

True, but I believe foreign manufacturers lead in non-military firearms. Nitram Dec 2015 #367

I don't know who this 'Colorado is the Shiznit' is BKH70041 Dec 2015 #264

"The right to kill"???? cleanhippie Dec 2015 #265

It doesn't matter nothing will change... humbled_opinion Dec 2015 #274

A literal interpretation is closer to what America had in it's early years... De Leonist Dec 2015 #288

EXACTLY x 1,000,000,000,000 flying-skeleton Dec 2015 #290

Since our Conservo 'friends' always harp on 'original intent'- let them have all the black powder JCMach1 Dec 2015 #298

big kick nt restorefreedom Dec 2015 #299

maybe if they used the COMPLETE amendment. WELL REGULATED! pansypoo53219 Dec 2015 #315

I think that's only fair dumbcat Dec 2015 #319

for clarity, it's extinguish not distinguish. passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #324

Perhaps you could give one fuck, then. HassleCat Dec 2015 #337

Not according to our local gun murder apologists SwankyXomb Dec 2015 #372

Same here. Yesterday I suggested someone could put their "right" and their guns where CBGLuthier Dec 2015 #341

So, American's get gunned down by armed terrorists Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2015 #346

Pitch perfect post. Bravo!! pablo_marmol Dec 2015 #349

I didn't ASSume they were white. Boudica the Lyoness Dec 2015 #369

Reread my post. I didn't accuse you of assuming they were white! pablo_marmol Dec 2015 #400

one of the killed was a police officer, a lot of good his gun did him saturnsring Dec 2015 #370

What? You mean something wasn't 100% effective? Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #373

it's a long long way from 100% saturnsring Dec 2015 #375

thank you, Boudicca! librechik Dec 2015 #374

Well said. beevul Dec 2015 #384

Let's all be perfectly honest about this for once... world wide wally Dec 2015 #353

I've been done w/freaks & their gunz years ago happynewyear Dec 2015 #401

me, too. It's the same thing over and over and over. CTyankee Dec 2015 #415

Oh, but you respected them before? beevul Dec 2015 #411

Idiot Go Vols Dec 2015 #413

What's that meme called again? romanic Dec 2015 #416