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sarisataka

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96. Those I respect as well

Tue May 29, 2012, 06:20 PM

May 2012

along with any who are willing to sacrifice potential wealth and comfort to better the world.
Another poster used a word which applies to these people as well as soldier- noble. The world would be a much better place with more noble people.
I do agree with the point you are leading to... it becomes ridiculous to try and judge who suffered more. She we say the holocaust survivor suffered more than the Bataan death March survivor more than one who lived under Pol Pot more than the mother who just lost her firstborn to SIDS... They all suffer and no one can say who suffered the most.

I would say American lives are valued more. Military plans take into account civilian casualties, if for no other reason than their survivors are more will to fight us, but it is true that an important operation will not stop even if it is 100% certain civilians will be injured or killed. Effort will be made to try to minimize those casualties.

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If you won't say "hero" what will you say? [View all] Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 OP

Rinse and repeat. GeorgeGist May 2012 #1

Did someone train you to say that? Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #3

One doesn't have to be trained to recognize right-wing nonsense. nt TBF May 2012 #7

Except it isn't RW nonsense. Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #10

Well I guess I part ways with our President on this topic - TBF May 2012 #18

that's not a fact, it's an opinion. cali May 2012 #49

Uggh Fascism 101 worship the military CBGLuthier May 2012 #2

So you send men and women to suffer the worst of what humanity can produce Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #4

Kind of a catch-22, isn't it? sadbear May 2012 #5

excellent Bacchus4.0 May 2012 #6

error: Kali May 2012 #9

I read that the SEALs who took down Bin Laden are paid less than Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #11

Navy SEAL pay is comparable to the average teacher salary. Brickbat May 2012 #20

Sorry, as much as I admire teachers, SEALs endure more than they're paid for. Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #28

Comparing the two has little use. Brickbat May 2012 #40

I made the point because I was told Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #78

"So you send men and women to suffer the worst of what humanity can produce" white_wolf May 2012 #26

Now THAT'S some popagandist nonsense. Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #29

There isn't a conspiracy. white_wolf May 2012 #30

Since Obame is CinC, let's translate what you just said. Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #36

Yes, Obama represents the rich. white_wolf May 2012 #37

I don't think there is a monolithic group called "the rich" deutsey May 2012 #46

You're right. "The rich" is far too simplistic. white_wolf May 2012 #50

Agreed n/t deutsey May 2012 #53

Why are you trying to hide behind Obama here? Marr May 2012 #75

Because it's laughable on its face Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #76

"Nobody tells him where and when US troops go to fight" No they don't, though I believe Congress is Puregonzo1188 May 2012 #81

No one is saying he has a special red Bat Phone connection to Marr May 2012 #86

I'm not looking at any action in South America in the past century. Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #88

You think our motivations in the middle east are *less* economic than Marr May 2012 #92

Essentially you are because you imply that electing Obama transformed the dynamics of the MIC TheKentuckian May 2012 #93

Or maybe people engage in looney conspiracy theories about evil cabals and world domination Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #95

Or caught up in a system much larger than himself, perhaps? deutsey May 2012 #99

Those "wars". sendero May 2012 #110

Those many wars since WWII have done more than just drain the treasury. baldguy May 2012 #111

Post removed Post removed May 2012 #39

Oh insults. Yeah, that's real mature. white_wolf May 2012 #41

Sent off for what? Arugula Latte May 2012 #45

No. YOU send men and women to suffer the worst of what humanity can produce. Zorra May 2012 #54

You pay taxes? sarge43 May 2012 #63

No. If you want it, you own it. Zorra May 2012 #102

Did you vote for Obama? Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #64

Yeah. Because I figured he'd cause less death and destruction than the only other alternative. nt Zorra May 2012 #103

This is where you are missing everyone's points. It's not a necessary evil since neither the Iraq Puregonzo1188 May 2012 #80

Wow! What NU said! nt Skip Intro May 2012 #113

"I view them as a necessary evil not an inviolate good." Taverner May 2012 #77

I have to agree with you - lynne May 2012 #8

What do we call anyone who gets up every day and does his/her job? Brickbat May 2012 #12

I understand that. Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #21

If doing someone's job is all it takes to get called a hero, we need to seriously examine the word. Brickbat May 2012 #52

Excellent #s 12 & 52. I was going to say, One-who -performs- normal-civic- duties. n/t UTUSN May 2012 #69

couldn't have said it better myself . . . and i tried! eom ellenfl May 2012 #31

"To admire singular people for what they have done, however, is only human." Bluerthanblue May 2012 #43

Agree 100% NU. THose who are willing to sacrifice should be shown appreciation. Swamp Lover May 2012 #13

If we stopped calling everyone who joins the military a hero, more people might stop & think before Arugula Latte May 2012 #47

You assume that those who serve are stupid, or have not considered their decision. Swamp Lover May 2012 #58

Excellent point sarisataka May 2012 #61

A decent education in history Rittermeister May 2012 #89

Why do you, or anyone question why someone says anything that doesn't effect you personally? dadchef May 2012 #105

Anyone with two brain cells to rub together Arugula Latte May 2012 #106

People can appreciate and acknowledge service without calling them heroes. Brickbat May 2012 #59

our brave and selfless men and women? eom ellenfl May 2012 #14

Long periods of extreme stress does tend to make us band together like nothing else, Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #15

This is a powerful thought. Brickbat May 2012 #16

Thank you, NU bigtree May 2012 #17

I am a pacifist. I don't believe in heroes that carry guns. Th1onein May 2012 #19

In our family, all but two served in the military Greybnk48 May 2012 #22

I won't say "hero"... Spider Jerusalem May 2012 #23

especially when the rah rah shit is put out as some kind of litmus test Kali May 2012 #24

Another excellent point: "Service alone does not make them heroes." Brickbat May 2012 #42

well said paulk May 2012 #51

You summed it up nicely. RedCappedBandit May 2012 #87

Why do you assume they are sent war to Arctic Dave May 2012 #25

How about we stop using the word to descibe people we don't know anything about? Orsino May 2012 #27

I know. I married one. And back when we were dating he was still enlisted. Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #34

Brave, honorable, admirable are all sufficiently proper terms.... Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #32

It's a lot easier to say hero than victim of the poverty draft doing their best to get by LeftyMom May 2012 #33

Chew on this: RC May 2012 #35

Soldier? Armed Services Member? cali May 2012 #38

Answer and a question sarisataka May 2012 #67

It's just stupid. Do people with chronic illnesses count? cali May 2012 #79

The matter is choice sarisataka May 2012 #84

OK. How about people who choose to be part of an NGO? Or teach in the inner city cali May 2012 #85

Those I respect as well sarisataka May 2012 #96

You haven't been to the Mexican border or any local police department lately, have you? Comrade Grumpy May 2012 #91

Not in a few years sarisataka May 2012 #100

probably better to say absolutely nothing hfojvt May 2012 #44

Soldier, sailor, airman, marine, coastguardman, depending. sarge43 May 2012 #48

+1 TroglodyteScholar May 2012 #57

Thanks sarge43 May 2012 #68

+1,000,000 Johnny Rico May 2012 #55

I've always found "soldier," "marine," "airman," and "sailor" to be adequate. TroglodyteScholar May 2012 #56

"Employees." nt daaron May 2012 #60

And any military member you call hero sarisataka May 2012 #62

Cannon fodder for the ambitions of politicians. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2012 #65

it's not as though "anything less" than hero is an insult or degrading or anything fishwax May 2012 #66

What's wrong with "GI" kentuck May 2012 #70

Some are "heroes" all are "brave".... soccer1 May 2012 #71

Noble... cynatnite May 2012 #72

Can we honor the veteran without glorifying the war? LiberalAndProud May 2012 #73

I find it amusing that many of the same people who complain about kids all getting trophies Marr May 2012 #74

A few are heroes. Most are just working stiffs doing their jobs. Bake May 2012 #82

I will when it is appropriate and that is based on what I know which is often not very much. jp11 May 2012 #83

Hero Angelshare1 May 2012 #90

Yet, I feel more like a fool than anything. Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #94

When I fear to speak, I remember this sarisataka May 2012 #98

Willing to risk all ... but again, the question is, for what? Arugula Latte May 2012 #108

Allow me sarisataka May 2012 #114

Pray tell, Arugula Latte May 2012 #116

there is nothing heroic about killing innocent people quinnox May 2012 #97

Someone defended that guy here? Wow I guess I missed that. cherokeeprogressive May 2012 #101

yup quinnox May 2012 #104

I wonder which American hero did this? Arugula Latte May 2012 #107

Somehow I think that soldiers, rather than being SomethingFishy May 2012 #109

I have no problem saying hero for our militiary men and women, fallen or not. Skip Intro May 2012 #112

survivors ManyShadesOf May 2012 #115