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branford

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21. Semi-Automatic weapons are already in "common use" in America,

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 07:49 PM

Dec 2015

and fully-automatic firearms are very tightly regulated under the NFA, as was generally recognized in the Heller and McDonald Supreme Court decisions. A legislative ban on all "autoloading firearms" would therefore now be clearly unconstitutional. In any event, such legislation would have absolutely no chance of passage in Congress or most states.

If you support such a ban, you will need to repeal the Second Amendment (and its state analogs in the vast majority of state constitutions), and actually convince a clear majority of citizens and our elected representatives of the wisdom of your proposal. Considering a Democratic Senate couldn't even pass UBC's, despite claims of over 90% popular support, I don't believe your opponents have much to fear. However, talks of any form of gun bans do tend to send gun sales skyrocketing and increase donations to organizations like the NRA, who I'm sure would love for your proposals to get more attention.

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Time To Ban Autoloading Firearms In America [View all] angka Dec 2015 OP

Your headline would be even better if you removed the word "Autoloading." LonePirate Dec 2015 #1

that's a non-starter maxsolomon Dec 2015 #22

Everything is a non-starter for gun nuts and the NRA. Fuck them I say and ban every gun. LonePirate Dec 2015 #31

even in japan you can purchase a firearm maxsolomon Dec 2015 #67

If guns cost $100,000 on the black market how many mass shooting do you think we would have? krawhitham Dec 2015 #94

I agree. No one needs that much fire power. Our forefathers had no clue what could Frustratedlady Dec 2015 #2

They had repeating firearms when the BoR was written. MGMT Dec 2015 #37

You apparently didn't read your own link AnnetteJacobs Dec 2015 #47

Not sure what your point is. MGMT Dec 2015 #53

No, they didn't (an air rifle is not, by definition, a "firearm") Spider Jerusalem Dec 2015 #66

See: The puckle gun. IOW: Yes, they did. beevul Dec 2015 #73

None of these things were practical for widespread adoption with the manufacturing technology... Spider Jerusalem Dec 2015 #83

Point me to the person who said they were. beevul Dec 2015 #87

No, it could never be enforced tularetom Dec 2015 #3

I really believe if we did away with semi-autos, gun sales would drop 50 to 75%. Hoyt Dec 2015 #4

Unless the law has been changed recently a semi-auto can't be used for hunting doc03 Dec 2015 #56

"If the states can limit magazine capacity and the type of action for hunting why can't they do Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #60

Los Angeles has enacted a total ban on over 10 round mags, even those GGJohn Dec 2015 #62

The high cap magazine thing has me stumped. Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #65

The New York 7 round magazine limit was overturned. branford Dec 2015 #68

+100 n /t Photographer Dec 2015 #5

How do you propose rounding up the ~ 130 million semi-automatic weapons MohRokTah Dec 2015 #6

Here comes the "come and take 'em" threats 951-Riverside Dec 2015 #8

I don't own any guns. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #12

Nobody's coming to take anything. EL34x4 Dec 2015 #14

ban further sales of these weapons would be a start maxsolomon Dec 2015 #23

And there are currently enough of them to arm every single adult in the country MohRokTah Dec 2015 #24

yes, i know maxsolomon Dec 2015 #32

Ban the manufacture in the U.S. and the importation of semi-automatics Kaleva Dec 2015 #25

How do you convince 218 Congressmen and 60 Senators to go along with that? MohRokTah Dec 2015 #30

Back when the AWB was passed, a majority of Americans didn't support marriage equality Kaleva Dec 2015 #40

I own no guns. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #43

So you are a libertarian? Kaleva Dec 2015 #44

No. MohRokTah Dec 2015 #45

Your viewpoint, at least on this particular issue, would fit the description of one, IMO. Kaleva Dec 2015 #50

Would you support the same requirements placed on other civil liberties? virginia mountainman Dec 2015 #57

Ok, I'll bite, Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #58

One I wrote up myself Kaleva Dec 2015 #96

I would oppose those restrictions. eom MohRokTah Dec 2015 #75

No... ileus Dec 2015 #7

"Today I am calling for a ban on the sale of autoloading firearms in the United States." EL34x4 Dec 2015 #9

Make it part of the Democratic Party "Contract With America" 1939 Dec 2015 #46

I think it's a great idea! EL34x4 Dec 2015 #51

Yes, 1994 anyone? NT 1939 Dec 2015 #59

I suspect many people here were in diapers back then. EL34x4 Dec 2015 #70

The political capital would be better spent elsewhere. Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #10

No, I don't support such a ban. GGJohn Dec 2015 #11

Bird hunters MosheFeingold Dec 2015 #13

+1 Shrek Dec 2015 #17

Good bird hunters and duck hunters use the side-by-side shotgun 1939 Dec 2015 #48

"slob hunter"? As opposed to a "snob hunter"? JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2015 #92

+1 n/t MosheFeingold Dec 2015 #97

Common use SpookyDem Dec 2015 #15

Nope, don't support your suggestion at all. Waldorf Dec 2015 #16

It is a place to start n/t etherealtruth Dec 2015 #18

Lol. linuxman Dec 2015 #19

In a contrarian mood MosheFeingold Dec 2015 #20

Semi-Automatic weapons are already in "common use" in America, branford Dec 2015 #21

You are looking to ban common technology that is over 100 years old. ManiacJoe Dec 2015 #26

Your call for a ban goes nowhere AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #27

That map is really sobering TeddyR Dec 2015 #29

Progressives aren't bright enough to figure out how to build a strong political movement AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #33

There have been some significant wins over the last few years for progressives TeddyR Dec 2015 #52

The RW has the advantage of being from more aggressive environments like business and the military AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #64

You can change Louisiana to purple now. EL34x4 Dec 2015 #54

Yea, Pro Gun Democrats tend to do well in the south.. virginia mountainman Dec 2015 #63

Another very saliant point.. virginia mountainman Dec 2015 #61

I'm not sure that would have a lot of impact TeddyR Dec 2015 #28

Throw the book at the last legal owner of record each and every time a gun is used to cause violence sanatanadharma Dec 2015 #34

You almost had the fail in your own call to action.. pipoman Dec 2015 #35

" I would allow double-action revolvers " OakCliffDem Dec 2015 #36

yeah, cash is king; and NRAILA makes sure enough are executed at random to show who rules MisterP Dec 2015 #39

Oh My! Invoking the NRA OakCliffDem Dec 2015 #41

No. N/T beevul Dec 2015 #38

No (nt) bigwillq Dec 2015 #42

I'm not pissed off at all. I simply stopped reading at "ammosexuals". cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #49

Exactly. Straw Man Dec 2015 #88

Nope virginia mountainman Dec 2015 #55

LOL, you are always over the top. "Cold Dead Hands" mode. nt Logical Dec 2015 #71

Where did I say that>??! virginia mountainman Dec 2015 #86

Great responses angka Dec 2015 #69

"I actually don't think most of my fellow Americans are lawbreaker.." EX500rider Dec 2015 #74

Your proposal might not violate the 2A, Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #79

New York Supreme Court said that 'AWs were in common use for lawful purposes' jmg257 Dec 2015 #81

Thanks for the laugh I got from reading your post Lurks Often Dec 2015 #72

Again, the issue is non-compliance. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2015 #76

That at least makes much much more sense than an assault weapons ban Recursion Dec 2015 #77

That would be one way to effect it, yes. angka Dec 2015 #95

if bans don't work - fine the shit out of them patsimp Dec 2015 #78

As a RKBA Democrat, your demand does not bother me because it will never happen. aikoaiko Dec 2015 #80

impressive! Elmergantry Dec 2015 #82

autoloaders is a start mwrguy Dec 2015 #84

A ban might make it more inconvenient but madville Dec 2015 #85

I appreciate your honestly. krispos42 Dec 2015 #89

IMO, the "assault weapons ban" is a fearful half measure angka Dec 2015 #91

Good idea. At least there would be a chance to tackle the killer after a few rounds. Vinca Dec 2015 #90

What about the lonely snipers hidden on the far-away rooftops? Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Dec 2015 #93